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On October 10 2019 02:04 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:44 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:28 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:21 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:04 Spirit_HUN wrote:
When this player signed up for that tournament, he accepted the rules.
He simply broke the rules, ended up banning himself.
Blizzard did the right thing. This is a video game company, not a political platform.
If you are concerned about human rights in Hong Kong the are other ways, platforms to do that.
You should not force a video game company to be political.
There are no political comments in the Olympics, Football, Formula1 etc. as well.
I dont want video games, sports events to be filled with politics. Viewers are there to be entertained, competitors are there to compete, and not to be forced to eat political bs 0-24. They’re not a political platform, but they do have a clear political position here which is tow whatever line the Chinese authorities want them to tow. Seems to me it was a pretty good platform for the guy to use really, although the attention it gained was more from Blizzard’s reaction than his actions specifically. Gained a fuckload of traction even US Senators are wading in, doubt he’d have been able to elicit such a response with a tweet. China and especially the Gulf States use sport as an extension of their soft power, they’ve made it political already, likewise the Cold War saw sporting events like the Olympics as an ideological battleground. if it is not an political extension of soft power,why some officials of the organization are talking about politics？if not,STOP talking.As an official, you can't blatantly confront the Chinese public opinion while thinking that discrimination against Chinese people, Chinese culture and support separatism and violence. Why not? National self-determination is a key principle of geopolitics in the modern era. Considering a bomb blew in the windows of my house when I was but a babe, I’m quite happy that the United States interceded and helped facilitate a peace here that respected both of the national identities in our wee country. I would personally like to see more of China and its culture emerge onto the world stage, an old and venerable culture indeed, whose people have accomplished remarkable things in the last few decades especially. If it’s by trampling on everyone and expecting Westerners to bend to their whims and where criticism is construed as a grievous insult then, no thanks. When you think so, have you ever asked about the thoughts of ordinary Chinese?.
I hope you understand that while this is an interesting conversation, your views are inherently skewed by the propaganda you've been fed every day. We know how the Chinese media works (and it's not just China btw. America has much of the same problems, and most of us here do recognise it as such). You have already made made several false statements and made comparisons that does not make sense (Comparing China to England because England has a mock Queen for instance). As such everything you say will be taken with the biggest grain of salt imaginable
I do think it's interesting what the ordinary Chinese thinks, but it truthfully doesn't matter. You don't get to commit human rights violations and consider it ok because "The ordinary Chinese thinks so". Guess who doesn't think it's ok? Hong Kong and its citizens.
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On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts.
Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West.
You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy.
But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up.
You always talk about your own thoughts and negate other thoughts. The Chinese never say to the TV that the American values are wrong and the Western social thoughts are wrong.
American things, Americans are the masters. I want to ask, can Europeans make their own decisions? Can the British be the masters themselves?
I talk about Japan and the United Kingdom. If you think that countries like Japan and the United States are the same, I hope that you can learn more about Japanese society. For example, people who committed suicide because of the emperor's abdication.
I talked about Japan and the United Kingdom because, like other countries, they are democratic and free, even with emperors and queens. Similarly, the Chinese believe that they are also democratic and free, even if it does not seem to be at all.
But the truth is this. The British can't vote for the Queen. The Japanese can't decide the Emperor. On the contrary, the Japanese Emperor has great influence. Although the Japanese often deny this political issue, Japan's political arena is still a political continuation from the Meiji Restoration before World War II. Think about the Shinzo Abe family.
Instead of ridiculing China’s autocracy, is it also ridiculing Japan’s autocracy. I don't think anyone has ridiculed President Bush. I mean two President Bush.
I want to give an example. I don't know if you can understand. In the last US election, although more than half of the people supported Hillary, Trump was still elected to the US president because the state voted more.
One person, becoming the president of a country, even if he is only supported by half of the people. Is this democracy? Is this half the tyranny of the other half? Should the United States be divided into two countries, is Hillary and Trump half?
In addition, I really like Trump's make America great gain, but I remember that if there were any mistakes, there were many parades in the United States, and irony, against Teplang's words. Is this the embodiment of democracy and freedom of speech?
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Northern Ireland24509 Posts
On October 10 2019 02:04 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:44 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:28 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:21 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:04 Spirit_HUN wrote:
When this player signed up for that tournament, he accepted the rules.
He simply broke the rules, ended up banning himself.
Blizzard did the right thing. This is a video game company, not a political platform.
If you are concerned about human rights in Hong Kong the are other ways, platforms to do that.
You should not force a video game company to be political.
There are no political comments in the Olympics, Football, Formula1 etc. as well.
I dont want video games, sports events to be filled with politics. Viewers are there to be entertained, competitors are there to compete, and not to be forced to eat political bs 0-24. They’re not a political platform, but they do have a clear political position here which is tow whatever line the Chinese authorities want them to tow. Seems to me it was a pretty good platform for the guy to use really, although the attention it gained was more from Blizzard’s reaction than his actions specifically. Gained a fuckload of traction even US Senators are wading in, doubt he’d have been able to elicit such a response with a tweet. China and especially the Gulf States use sport as an extension of their soft power, they’ve made it political already, likewise the Cold War saw sporting events like the Olympics as an ideological battleground. if it is not an political extension of soft power,why some officials of the organization are talking about politics？if not,STOP talking.As an official, you can't blatantly confront the Chinese public opinion while thinking that discrimination against Chinese people, Chinese culture and support separatism and violence. Why not? National self-determination is a key principle of geopolitics in the modern era. Considering a bomb blew in the windows of my house when I was but a babe, I’m quite happy that the United States interceded and helped facilitate a peace here that respected both of the national identities in our wee country. I would personally like to see more of China and its culture emerge onto the world stage, an old and venerable culture indeed, whose people have accomplished remarkable things in the last few decades especially. If it’s by trampling on everyone and expecting Westerners to bend to their whims and where criticism is construed as a grievous insult then, no thanks. When you think so, have you ever asked about the thoughts of ordinary Chinese? It's like I'm here to express the thoughts of an ordinary Chinese. Indeed, I feel sad that I didn't learn English well, because what I lost is not a good paper, but an opportunity to communicate with others. Not only Americans can define the world. The pioneers of socialism and communism are Germans and French. Formerly President Roosevelt of the United States was also criticized for socialism or communism. But think about Chinese history, the current development of China, and the past workers of Britain. Some ideological conflicts are unavoidable, especially under the propaganda of some western media, they usually distort the report in order to satisfy their own interests. China does not do very well in many places, but it does not want to do so. No Chinese wants his country to be like India with the same population. (I do not mean to discriminate. Most Chinese want to live a good life first and guarantee everyone the same rights, wealth, rights and status.) In China, it is still possible to elect people who have been upgraded from the grassroots level through examinations and votes, while officials at the grassroots level are also elected. In China, former leaders were even born to poor peasants rather than a billion-dollar owner or equally wealthy political family. Both father and son are presidents. Western media believe that China is undemocratic and not free, and the Chinese believe that they are free and democratic. This seems to be a disgusting tactic. I was disappointed with many of the statements, especially those of the distorted Sixth Fourth Movement (my father was one of the participants, but later they built China into the second largest country in the world), and those who believed that the Hong Kong police should not react to any of the protestors'actions. When commenting, consider that China has 1.4 billion people. This country can not change because of the ideas of more than a dozen people, thousands of people and tens of thousands of people. The most important thing is to ensure that more than a billion people, like other Westerners, can live with wealth and dignity on this planet.
It is honestly quite difficult to get them, we live in separate cultural ecosystems and the language barrier is rather tough, for the record your English is rather excellent.
Notwithstanding China being less open, but even Japan or, in my case specifically Korea which I’d like to know more about having got some exposure via the glorious game of Starcraft for which we all share a passion here.
Westerners know very little of China and India by and large and I would count myself in that camp, and that’s a third of the humans living on the planet.
It is difficult to separate a desire to be respectful of cultural differences from government policy and actions, the latter being really all we hear about in the West. It is complicated yet further by how information is suppressed and controlled in China.
I don’t believe for a second that every Chinese person holds the same position, that would be ridiculous. Neither would I believe that everyday Chinese people would necessarily hold the positions and stances they currently do if they had access to some of the information (easily anyway), that we do in the West.
This is the crux of my issue really. By not challenging that specific aspect in any meaningful way, I feel we are just contributing to constricting the Chinese people from realising their full potential.
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China has an awful record on human rights - fact. Their appalling treatment of Tibet and Uyghur muslims is well documented. And this is what I know about, someone who is not necessarily an expert on the subject. Turning this into a "West vs. China" reeks of whataboutism and does not add anything meaningful to the conversation. Blizzard bowing down to the wishes of the Chinese GOVERNMENT (for everyone saying "it's a game company, hurr durr, don't wanna hear about politics") makes it very evident they are following the money, and are terrified of losing out on the Chinese market. This alone proves a point- if a government is so repressive and awful that they would potentially ban an entire game and/or game company from their over 1 billion citizens over an issue of free speech, what does this tell you about that government? This could have been an opportunity to stand with people who are fighting for a semblance of democracy and fair rule (a law which would allow extradition to mainland China is a massive slap in the face after China promised a "high degree of autonomy" to Hong Kong after the British lease expired). Very disappointed in Blizzard and their complete spinelessness in the face of censorship, repression and "big brother" type control over what has become an international embarrassment for the Chinese Communist Party.
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On October 10 2019 02:04 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:44 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:28 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:21 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:04 Spirit_HUN wrote:
When this player signed up for that tournament, he accepted the rules.
He simply broke the rules, ended up banning himself.
Blizzard did the right thing. This is a video game company, not a political platform.
If you are concerned about human rights in Hong Kong the are other ways, platforms to do that.
You should not force a video game company to be political.
There are no political comments in the Olympics, Football, Formula1 etc. as well.
I dont want video games, sports events to be filled with politics. Viewers are there to be entertained, competitors are there to compete, and not to be forced to eat political bs 0-24. They’re not a political platform, but they do have a clear political position here which is tow whatever line the Chinese authorities want them to tow. Seems to me it was a pretty good platform for the guy to use really, although the attention it gained was more from Blizzard’s reaction than his actions specifically. Gained a fuckload of traction even US Senators are wading in, doubt he’d have been able to elicit such a response with a tweet. China and especially the Gulf States use sport as an extension of their soft power, they’ve made it political already, likewise the Cold War saw sporting events like the Olympics as an ideological battleground. if it is not an political extension of soft power,why some officials of the organization are talking about politics？if not,STOP talking.As an official, you can't blatantly confront the Chinese public opinion while thinking that discrimination against Chinese people, Chinese culture and support separatism and violence. Why not? National self-determination is a key principle of geopolitics in the modern era. Considering a bomb blew in the windows of my house when I was but a babe, I’m quite happy that the United States interceded and helped facilitate a peace here that respected both of the national identities in our wee country. I would personally like to see more of China and its culture emerge onto the world stage, an old and venerable culture indeed, whose people have accomplished remarkable things in the last few decades especially. If it’s by trampling on everyone and expecting Westerners to bend to their whims and where criticism is construed as a grievous insult then, no thanks. + Show Spoiler +
When you think so, have you ever asked about the thoughts of ordinary Chinese? It's like I'm here to express the thoughts of an ordinary Chinese. Indeed, I feel sad that I didn't learn English well, because what I lost is not a good paper, but an opportunity to communicate with others.
Not only Americans can define the world. The pioneers of socialism and communism are Germans and French. Formerly President Roosevelt of the United States was also criticized for socialism or communism. But think about Chinese history, the current development of China, and the past workers of Britain.
Some ideological conflicts are unavoidable, especially under the propaganda of some western media, they usually distort the report in order to satisfy their own interests.
China does not do very well in many places, but it does not want to do so. No Chinese wants his country to be like India with the same population. (I do not mean to discriminate. Most Chinese want to live a good life first and guarantee everyone the same rights, wealth, rights and status.)
In China, it is still possible to elect people who have been upgraded from the grassroots level through examinations and votes, while officials at the grassroots level are also elected.
In China, former leaders were even born to poor peasants rather than a billion-dollar owner or equally wealthy political family. Both father and son are presidents.
Western media believe that China is undemocratic and not free, and the Chinese believe that they are free and democratic. This seems to be a disgusting tactic.
I was disappointed with many of the statements, especially those of the distorted Sixth Fourth Movement (my father was one of the participants, but later they built China into the second largest country in the world), and those who believed that the Hong Kong police should not react to any of the protestors'actions.
When commenting, consider that China has 1.4 billion people. This country can not change because of the ideas of more than a dozen people, thousands of people and tens of thousands of people.
The most important thing is to ensure that more than a billion people, like other Westerners, can live with wealth and dignity on this planet.
OMG we got a try-hard Xinhua News Agency spokesman.
"In China, it is still possible to elect people who have been upgraded from the grassroots level through examinations and votes, while officials at the grassroots level are also elected."
You mean an independent candidate? Who? Name one? I don't hear any good endings for them.
“In China, former leaders were even born to poor peasants rather than a billion-dollar owner or equally wealthy political family. Both father and son are presidents.”
Oh, so do you know how much money they or their family possess now? Public records of property? Any one of them?
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On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West. You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy. But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up. You always talk about your own thoughts and negate other thoughts. The Chinese never say to the TV that the American values are wrong and the Western social thoughts are wrong. American things, Americans are the masters. I want to ask, can Europeans make their own decisions? Can the British be the masters themselves? I talk about Japan and the United Kingdom. If you think that countries like Japan and the United States are the same, I hope that you can learn more about Japanese society. For example, people who committed suicide because of the emperor's abdication. I talked about Japan and the United Kingdom because, like other countries, they are democratic and free, even with emperors and queens. Similarly, the Chinese believe that they are also democratic and free, even if it does not seem to be at all. But the truth is this. The British can't vote for the Queen. The Japanese can't decide the Emperor. On the contrary, the Japanese Emperor has great influence. Although the Japanese often deny this political issue, Japan's political arena is still a political continuation from the Meiji Restoration before World War II. Think about the Shinzo Abe family. Instead of ridiculing China’s autocracy, is it also ridiculing Japan’s autocracy. I don't think anyone has ridiculed President Bush. I mean two President Bush. I want to give an example. I don't know if you can understand. In the last US election, although more than half of the people supported Hillary, Trump was still elected to the US president because the state voted more. One person, becoming the president of a country, even if he is only supported by half of the people. Is this democracy? Is this half the tyranny of the other half? Should the United States be divided into two countries, is Hillary and Trump half? In addition, I really like Trump's make America great gain, but I remember that if there were any mistakes, there were many parades in the United States, and irony, against Teplang's words. Is this the embodiment of democracy and freedom of speech?
It doesn't matter if brainwashed people believe they are not brainwashed. If Chinese people believe they are not being manipulated they are simply manipulated into believing the are not manipulated. Ironic isn't it.
It is simple the people/organizations that try to limit knowledge and freedom of speech always do that because they have an agenda. Having an agenda means they want to control what you know because if they succeed in controlling what you know then they also by extension control what you believe.
China claiming that foreign news outlets are lying are simply another step in controling what the chinese people believe, because if only chinese news are regarded as trustworthy they control what you believe which means they control you.
All governments wants to do this to everyone, manipulation is simply what everyone does. However if you censor the internet and censor news and information you don't like then we live in a totalitarian state, like China.
From wiki:
"Mainland Chinese Internet censorship programs have censored Web sites that include (among other things):[citation needed]
Web sites belonging to "outlawed" or suppressed groups, such as pro-democracy activists and Falun Gong.
News sources that often cover topics that are considered defamatory against China, such as police brutality, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, freedom of speech, and democracy.[64] These sites include Voice of America and the Chinese edition of BBC News.
Sites related to the Taiwanese government, media, or other organizations, including sites dedicated to religious content, and most large Taiwanese community websites or blogs.
Web sites that contain anything the Chinese authorities regard as obscenity or pornography.
Web sites relating to criminal activity.
Sites linked with the Dalai Lama, his teachings or the International Tibet Independence Movement.
Most blogging sites experience frequent or permanent outages.
Web sites deemed as subversive.
Other topics censored include: 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, Xinjiang re-education camps, Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China, and more."
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On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy. But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up.
I haven't..literally no one have. However action speak louder than words. What you say doesn't matter compared to what you do (as a country, not you personally).
China and the Chinese people can say whatever the fuck they want, the truth is that they are committing human rights violations. And no words can make up for that.
On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:
Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West.
Yes, I am aware. But again, I have actions on my side. My government doesn't control our media, doesn't censor, doesn't indict people for speaking up against them, and cause human rights violations. Yours do. Therefore, I can rest assured that the side who is really being brainwashed isn't mine.
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On October 10 2019 02:13 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:04 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:44 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:28 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:21 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 10 2019 01:04 Spirit_HUN wrote:
When this player signed up for that tournament, he accepted the rules.
He simply broke the rules, ended up banning himself.
Blizzard did the right thing. This is a video game company, not a political platform.
If you are concerned about human rights in Hong Kong the are other ways, platforms to do that.
You should not force a video game company to be political.
There are no political comments in the Olympics, Football, Formula1 etc. as well.
I dont want video games, sports events to be filled with politics. Viewers are there to be entertained, competitors are there to compete, and not to be forced to eat political bs 0-24. They’re not a political platform, but they do have a clear political position here which is tow whatever line the Chinese authorities want them to tow. Seems to me it was a pretty good platform for the guy to use really, although the attention it gained was more from Blizzard’s reaction than his actions specifically. Gained a fuckload of traction even US Senators are wading in, doubt he’d have been able to elicit such a response with a tweet. China and especially the Gulf States use sport as an extension of their soft power, they’ve made it political already, likewise the Cold War saw sporting events like the Olympics as an ideological battleground. if it is not an political extension of soft power,why some officials of the organization are talking about politics？if not,STOP talking.As an official, you can't blatantly confront the Chinese public opinion while thinking that discrimination against Chinese people, Chinese culture and support separatism and violence. Why not? National self-determination is a key principle of geopolitics in the modern era. Considering a bomb blew in the windows of my house when I was but a babe, I’m quite happy that the United States interceded and helped facilitate a peace here that respected both of the national identities in our wee country. I would personally like to see more of China and its culture emerge onto the world stage, an old and venerable culture indeed, whose people have accomplished remarkable things in the last few decades especially. If it’s by trampling on everyone and expecting Westerners to bend to their whims and where criticism is construed as a grievous insult then, no thanks. When you think so, have you ever asked about the thoughts of ordinary Chinese?. I hope you understand that while this is an interesting conversation, your views are inherently skewed by the propaganda you've been fed every day. We know how the Chinese media works (and it's not just China btw. America has much of the same problems, and most of us here do recognise it as such). You have already made made several false statements and made comparisons that does not make sense (Comparing China to England because England has a mock Queen for instance). As such everything you say will be taken with the biggest grain of salt imaginable I do think it's interesting what the ordinary Chinese thinks, but it truthfully doesn't matter. You don't get to commit human rights violations and consider it ok because "The ordinary Chinese thinks so". Guess who doesn't think it's ok? Hong Kong and its citizens.
Very interesting, wrong comparison I just want to show that some forms of democracy and freedom will change, just as discrimination against blacks is definitely not one of freedom of speech in the United States.
Although Martin Luther King was killed.
Similarly, China's democracy and freedom are not so much the same as the United States, because the so-called autocracy and dictator seem to be like the Queen of England and the Emperor of Japan.
And when you talk about it, we should think about Hong Kong and its citizens.
I am very eager to ask, do you know how many Hong Kong people participated in this Chinese National Day celebration? Including young people, college students, government officials, police, famous stars, and ordinary people.
Do you think we should think about Hong Kong people, then do you know how many people in Hong Kong support the police parade? The police in Hong Kong, the government in Hong Kong, Hong Kong, so many condemns the violent protesters, and the ordinary people, shouting at the bbc reporters, this is Hong Kong, China, the taxi driver who supports the law revision, isn't it Hong Kong?
What you see seems to be the collective public opinion of Hong Kong, actually because those people have amplified this reaction through radical methods.
Think about it, if it is really a problem of the society and the Chinese government, the Hong Kong government, the ordinary people of Hong Kong (Is it not ordinary people and the grassroots officials?) Are these attitudes still not showing anything? Think about how good the credibility of the Hong Kong government is, and the same group of people are not trusted now.
The vast majority of protesters on the streets of Hong Kong are college students, young people, and young unemployed people. Is this a normal antibody or a collective carnival of young people, like an American youth who likes to take drugs?
China has experienced two very painful students, and the young people have dominated the political violent protests, almost smashing the entire country. However, these protests did not make more than a billion people ignorant, and the ordinary Chinese who were at a loss knew how to live well.
The Chinese have supported all the legal acts of Hong Kong and have wanted to split China and Hong Kong for many years. There is nothing too fierce.
We support Hong Kong, support democracy, support freedom, and even to some extent, support universal suffrage in Hong Kong.
However, what you have to understand is what is the slogan of Hong Kong's independence and violence? This is what the Hong Kong player and the NBA rocket manager said.
This is also why the Chinese currently call it a terrorist, because terrorists in the Middle East often call themselves freedom fighters.
If Hong Kong, China, is not dominated by the majority of Chinese people and by the majority of Hong Kong people, then who will decide?
Can Texas and California declare independence today and expel all blacks and people from other states？
So，why China give up HK？and Violent protestors demanding the expulsion of mainlanders？
In mainland China, Hong Kong people's bad reputation, sense of geographical superiority and discrimination against mainlanders are the main reasons。
(you can find it in many Hong Kong movies，In mainland China, Hong Kong people's bad reputation, sense of geographical superiority and discrimination against mainlanders are the main reasons (you can find out from many Hong Kong movies, including asking mainlanders if they have seen Apple phones made in China, and mocking the mainland for lack of high-rise power and modern technology, the same thing is still happening to Chinese people in Europe, the United States, etc.)It used to be Korea and Japan.).
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Already said way too much on this on reddit on Twitter.
To be short, shame on Blizzard, unless they change they won't ever get a cent again.
And much respect and love for Brian Kibler
http://bmkgaming.com/statement-on-blitzchung/
I wonder if more big community figures will speak up and stand their ground. I can totally understand that many can not afford to do that though.
Edit: I think Brian Kiblers statement should be in the OP, it's like Artosis or Tasteless deciding to cut ties with Blizz if this happened in sc2. Huge deal imo. BlizzCon will be interesting...
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On October 10 2019 00:32 Meta wrote:
Blizzard is dead to me, and for that, I despair.
Eh, the company is a shell of what it once was, but it's not like the original game developers rolled over and died. The diablo guys left and made Torchlight which is great, same with the rest, they're making other good stuff. You don't have to buy Blizzard games just because you liked one of their games back in 98.
Reminds me of The Simpsons in which all the good writers left a good dozen years ago and now it's crap, but they made other great stuff.
Follow the makers, not the companies.
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I will stop supporting Hearthstone or watching any Hearthstone content, I barely play starcraft but I do watch all the tournaments and will continue to do so for now but I will see if Blizzard has any change in policy.
I think a lot of the Chinese media/government have obviously tried to paint the protesters as terrorists and criminals but they have also tried to make it as if Hong Kong wants to be an independent country (which some do want but that is a minority) rather than having the freedoms they were guaranteed while being a part of China.
China signed an international treaty with the UK that guaranteed the rights of Hong Kong'ers for 50 years, it is blatantly breaking that treaty, there should be a bigger UK and international response.
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Northern Ireland24509 Posts
On October 10 2019 02:50 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 00:32 Meta wrote:
Blizzard is dead to me, and for that, I despair. Eh, the company is a shell of what it once was, but it's not like the original game developers rolled over and died. The diablo guys left and made Torchlight which is great, same with the rest, they're making other good stuff. You don't have to buy Blizzard games just because you liked one of their games back in 98. Reminds me of The Simpsons in which all the good writers left a good dozen years ago and now it's crap, but they made other great stuff. Follow the makers, not the companies.
True, but it doesn’t have to follow that the ethos and culture of the company live and die with the personnel who made it what it is.
Nintendo while I don’t slavishly fanboy over them either are still recognisably Nintendo over a period of decades.
To me the chief appeal of Blizzard was being a ‘AAA’ studio who polished the hell out of their games and supported them well, especially given the paucity of RTS games on the market, which is by an order of magnitude my favourite genre.
Smaller indie studios do great work, sometimes you need one of the big boys to really deliver and shift wider market trends and Blizzard was more than big enough to do so.
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On October 10 2019 02:35 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West. You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy. But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up. You always talk about your own thoughts and negate other thoughts. The Chinese never say to the TV that the American values are wrong and the Western social thoughts are wrong. American things, Americans are the masters. I want to ask, can Europeans make their own decisions? Can the British be the masters themselves? I talk about Japan and the United Kingdom. If you think that countries like Japan and the United States are the same, I hope that you can learn more about Japanese society. For example, people who committed suicide because of the emperor's abdication. I talked about Japan and the United Kingdom because, like other countries, they are democratic and free, even with emperors and queens. Similarly, the Chinese believe that they are also democratic and free, even if it does not seem to be at all. But the truth is this. The British can't vote for the Queen. The Japanese can't decide the Emperor. On the contrary, the Japanese Emperor has great influence. Although the Japanese often deny this political issue, Japan's political arena is still a political continuation from the Meiji Restoration before World War II. Think about the Shinzo Abe family. Instead of ridiculing China’s autocracy, is it also ridiculing Japan’s autocracy. I don't think anyone has ridiculed President Bush. I mean two President Bush. I want to give an example. I don't know if you can understand. In the last US election, although more than half of the people supported Hillary, Trump was still elected to the US president because the state voted more. One person, becoming the president of a country, even if he is only supported by half of the people. Is this democracy? Is this half the tyranny of the other half? Should the United States be divided into two countries, is Hillary and Trump half? In addition, I really like Trump's make America great gain, but I remember that if there were any mistakes, there were many parades in the United States, and irony, against Teplang's words. Is this the embodiment of democracy and freedom of speech? It doesn't matter if brainwashed people believe they are not brainwashed. If Chinese people believe they are not being manipulated they are simply manipulated into believing the are not manipulated. Ironic isn't it. It is simple the people/organizations that try to limit knowledge and freedom of speech always do that because they have an agenda. Having an agenda means they want to control what you know because if they succeed in controlling what you know then they also by extension control what you believe. China claiming that foreign news outlets are lying are simply another step in controling what the chinese people believe, because if only chinese news are regarded as trustworthy they control what you believe which means they control you. All governments wants to do this to everyone, manipulation is simply what everyone does. However if you censor the internet and censor news and information you don't like then we live in a totalitarian state, like China. From wiki: "Mainland Chinese Internet censorship programs have censored Web sites that include (among other things):[citation needed] Web sites belonging to "outlawed" or suppressed groups, such as pro-democracy activists and Falun Gong. News sources that often cover topics that are considered defamatory against China, such as police brutality, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, freedom of speech, and democracy.[64] These sites include Voice of America and the Chinese edition of BBC News.Sites related to the Taiwanese government, media, or other organizations, including sites dedicated to religious content, and most large Taiwanese community websites or blogs. Web sites that contain anything the Chinese authorities regard as obscenity or pornography. Web sites relating to criminal activity. Sites linked with the Dalai Lama, his teachings or the International Tibet Independence Movement. Most blogging sites experience frequent or permanent outages. Web sites deemed as subversive. Other topics censored include: 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, Xinjiang re-education camps, Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China, and more."
Another Chinese are brainwashed and CCP is evil post, yet again.
So you boldly claim that Chinese are so brainwashed they don't even know they are brainwashed.
How do you know you are in a safe place where all of your informations from western media (especially wiki, which most Chinese people won't read and edit) are all correct fact and neutral.
It is just hilarious to see the people live outside of China and never visited China consider themselves more knowlegable about China than people actually living there, by only watching a few video clip and reading some poorly-based reports.
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On October 10 2019 02:35 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West. You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy. But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up. You always talk about your own thoughts and negate other thoughts. The Chinese never say to the TV that the American values are wrong and the Western social thoughts are wrong. American things, Americans are the masters. I want to ask, can Europeans make their own decisions? Can the British be the masters themselves? I talk about Japan and the United Kingdom. If you think that countries like Japan and the United States are the same, I hope that you can learn more about Japanese society. For example, people who committed suicide because of the emperor's abdication. I talked about Japan and the United Kingdom because, like other countries, they are democratic and free, even with emperors and queens. Similarly, the Chinese believe that they are also democratic and free, even if it does not seem to be at all. But the truth is this. The British can't vote for the Queen. The Japanese can't decide the Emperor. On the contrary, the Japanese Emperor has great influence. Although the Japanese often deny this political issue, Japan's political arena is still a political continuation from the Meiji Restoration before World War II. Think about the Shinzo Abe family. Instead of ridiculing China’s autocracy, is it also ridiculing Japan’s autocracy. I don't think anyone has ridiculed President Bush. I mean two President Bush. I want to give an example. I don't know if you can understand. In the last US election, although more than half of the people supported Hillary, Trump was still elected to the US president because the state voted more. One person, becoming the president of a country, even if he is only supported by half of the people. Is this democracy? Is this half the tyranny of the other half? Should the United States be divided into two countries, is Hillary and Trump half? In addition, I really like Trump's make America great gain, but I remember that if there were any mistakes, there were many parades in the United States, and irony, against Teplang's words. Is this the embodiment of democracy and freedom of speech? It doesn't matter if brainwashed people believe they are not brainwashed. If Chinese people believe they are not being manipulated they are simply manipulated into believing the are not manipulated. Ironic isn't it. It is simple the people/organizations that try to limit knowledge and freedom of speech always do that because they have an agenda. Having an agenda means they want to control what you know because if they succeed in controlling what you know then they also by extension control what you believe. China claiming that foreign news outlets are lying are simply another step in controling what the chinese people believe, because if only chinese news are regarded as trustworthy they control what you believe which means they control you. All governments wants to do this to everyone, manipulation is simply what everyone does. However if you censor the internet and censor news and information you don't like then we live in a totalitarian state, like China. From wiki: "Mainland Chinese Internet censorship programs have censored Web sites that include (among other things):[citation needed] Web sites belonging to "outlawed" or suppressed groups, such as pro-democracy activists and Falun Gong. News sources that often cover topics that are considered defamatory against China, such as police brutality, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, freedom of speech, and democracy.[64] These sites include Voice of America and the Chinese edition of BBC News.Sites related to the Taiwanese government, media, or other organizations, including sites dedicated to religious content, and most large Taiwanese community websites or blogs. Web sites that contain anything the Chinese authorities regard as obscenity or pornography. Web sites relating to criminal activity. Sites linked with the Dalai Lama, his teachings or the International Tibet Independence Movement. Most blogging sites experience frequent or permanent outages. Web sites deemed as subversive. Other topics censored include: 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, Xinjiang re-education camps, Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China, and more."
I don't want to talk about these issues, because your approach is not through personal experience, but the Western media.
I can simply say a few things. You can go and find out, maybe there is a deeper feeling.
1. Falun Gong preaches that they can acquire the same abilities as Superman. They are basically seriously ill, and they don’t have to go to the hospital. They must respect the Lord as their father, obey all commands, and basically self-immolation.
I have an uncle, because he have practiced Falun Gong and he was ridiculed by everyone around me. It is true that it is unbelievable that because of socialism, the Chinese are more convinced of science.
2. The problem of Tibet, the territorial issue need not be said more. The primitive religion of Tibet was ruled in Tibet. At that time, the Chinese Communist Party’s army hoped to peacefully reunite Tibet. However, they found that Tibetan religion actually practiced slavery. Tibet’s situation is like Leo. Pod II is like his Congolese Free State. Of course you see a kindly exile, telling you some mysterious oriental religious thoughts, but he never told you that he used to be a slave owner, using the religious utensils of the human skin, and the things like the sister drum. I hope that you will not be afraid at night. You can also check Mao Zedong's position in Tibet. You may not believe it. He is considered to be a generation of Tibetan religious leaders (there are paper documents, museums I see).
3. Organ problems. China is not a country that is always complete, or even a relatively complete law. We are working hard, but I think that China, which was chaotic years ago, is developing too fast, so we often say that we used In less than 30 years, it has gone through hundreds of years of Western history, and modern civilization and primitive agricultural civilization coexist. If you are curious, in the public network search, sell your kidneys to buy Apple mobile news, you may understand that organ problems are not government manipulation, but the product of low education, unsound laws, and chaotic times. It’s gone now, because everything has changed. The Chinese government does not need to buy and sell organs to make money. This is very naive. Do you think China is authoritarian? Only the government needs a word, where to buy and sell organs.
4, Beijing 1989, you can go to Wikipedia to see, because I also saw where, from a person who accepts Chinese culture, I will not believe that: I can not die, they can bleed, but I am going to the United States . There are also the same experiencers who said that the massacre did not exist.
But does it exist? You can search for the complete video of the tank, which is the video of the person being taken away after the circumvention. You can also search for photos of some police and soldiers being burned on the flyover. It is true that they have treated people with restraint, but unfortunately people sometimes do not treat them with restraint, just like Hong Kong now.
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On October 10 2019 02:58 Zaros wrote:
I will stop supporting Hearthstone or watching any Hearthstone content, I barely play starcraft but I do watch all the tournaments and will continue to do so for now but I will see if Blizzard has any change in policy.
I think a lot of the Chinese media/government have obviously tried to paint the protesters as terrorists and criminals but they have also tried to make it as if Hong Kong wants to be an independent country (which some do want but that is a minority) rather than having the freedoms they were guaranteed while being a part of China.
China signed an international treaty with the UK that guaranteed the rights of Hong Kong'ers for 50 years, it is blatantly breaking that treaty, there should be a bigger UK and international response.
Do you support Northern Ireland independence, Scotland independence?
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On October 10 2019 03:03 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:35 Shuffleblade wrote:On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West. You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy. But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up. You always talk about your own thoughts and negate other thoughts. The Chinese never say to the TV that the American values are wrong and the Western social thoughts are wrong. American things, Americans are the masters. I want to ask, can Europeans make their own decisions? Can the British be the masters themselves? I talk about Japan and the United Kingdom. If you think that countries like Japan and the United States are the same, I hope that you can learn more about Japanese society. For example, people who committed suicide because of the emperor's abdication. I talked about Japan and the United Kingdom because, like other countries, they are democratic and free, even with emperors and queens. Similarly, the Chinese believe that they are also democratic and free, even if it does not seem to be at all. But the truth is this. The British can't vote for the Queen. The Japanese can't decide the Emperor. On the contrary, the Japanese Emperor has great influence. Although the Japanese often deny this political issue, Japan's political arena is still a political continuation from the Meiji Restoration before World War II. Think about the Shinzo Abe family. Instead of ridiculing China’s autocracy, is it also ridiculing Japan’s autocracy. I don't think anyone has ridiculed President Bush. I mean two President Bush. I want to give an example. I don't know if you can understand. In the last US election, although more than half of the people supported Hillary, Trump was still elected to the US president because the state voted more. One person, becoming the president of a country, even if he is only supported by half of the people. Is this democracy? Is this half the tyranny of the other half? Should the United States be divided into two countries, is Hillary and Trump half? In addition, I really like Trump's make America great gain, but I remember that if there were any mistakes, there were many parades in the United States, and irony, against Teplang's words. Is this the embodiment of democracy and freedom of speech? It doesn't matter if brainwashed people believe they are not brainwashed. If Chinese people believe they are not being manipulated they are simply manipulated into believing the are not manipulated. Ironic isn't it. It is simple the people/organizations that try to limit knowledge and freedom of speech always do that because they have an agenda. Having an agenda means they want to control what you know because if they succeed in controlling what you know then they also by extension control what you believe. China claiming that foreign news outlets are lying are simply another step in controling what the chinese people believe, because if only chinese news are regarded as trustworthy they control what you believe which means they control you. All governments wants to do this to everyone, manipulation is simply what everyone does. However if you censor the internet and censor news and information you don't like then we live in a totalitarian state, like China. From wiki: "Mainland Chinese Internet censorship programs have censored Web sites that include (among other things):[citation needed] Web sites belonging to "outlawed" or suppressed groups, such as pro-democracy activists and Falun Gong. News sources that often cover topics that are considered defamatory against China, such as police brutality, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, freedom of speech, and democracy.[64] These sites include Voice of America and the Chinese edition of BBC News.Sites related to the Taiwanese government, media, or other organizations, including sites dedicated to religious content, and most large Taiwanese community websites or blogs. Web sites that contain anything the Chinese authorities regard as obscenity or pornography. Web sites relating to criminal activity. Sites linked with the Dalai Lama, his teachings or the International Tibet Independence Movement. Most blogging sites experience frequent or permanent outages. Web sites deemed as subversive. Other topics censored include: 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, Xinjiang re-education camps, Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China, and more." Another Chinese are brainwashed and CCP is evil post, yet again. So you boldly claim that Chinese are so brainwashed they don't even know they are brainwashed. How do you know you are in a safe place where all of your informations from western media (especially wiki, which most Chinese people won't read and edit) are all correct fact and neutral. It is just hilarious to see the people live outside of China and never visited China consider themselves more knowlegable about China than people actually living there, by only watching a few video clip and reading some poorly-based reports.
For one, our media is allowed to criticise our own government, and does so repeatedly. That alone should be enough proof that they aren't controlled. Neither is anything censored anywhere (With the exception of things like child porn and threats of violence, thank god).
So you can't claim that we're being brainwashed when we have open channels to all forms of communications, something China isn't willing to do.
On October 10 2019 03:10 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:58 Zaros wrote:
I will stop supporting Hearthstone or watching any Hearthstone content, I barely play starcraft but I do watch all the tournaments and will continue to do so for now but I will see if Blizzard has any change in policy.
I think a lot of the Chinese media/government have obviously tried to paint the protesters as terrorists and criminals but they have also tried to make it as if Hong Kong wants to be an independent country (which some do want but that is a minority) rather than having the freedoms they were guaranteed while being a part of China.
China signed an international treaty with the UK that guaranteed the rights of Hong Kong'ers for 50 years, it is blatantly breaking that treaty, there should be a bigger UK and international response. Do you support Northern Ireland independence, Scotland independence?
I'm not the guy you asked, but let me answer anyways: Yes and Yes. In fact, it's very likely Scotland might go independent if England finalises their Brexit. At which point England or anyone else can't and shouldn't stop them from doing so.
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Northern Ireland24509 Posts
On October 10 2019 03:03 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:35 Shuffleblade wrote:On October 10 2019 02:23 chuchuchu wrote:On October 10 2019 01:47 Excludos wrote:On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote:
All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. Similarly, the Chinese also think that you have been brainwashed by the West. You often talk about freedom of speech and democracy. But when the Chinese spoke themselves, you said that the Chinese were wrong and the Chinese shut up. You always talk about your own thoughts and negate other thoughts. The Chinese never say to the TV that the American values are wrong and the Western social thoughts are wrong. American things, Americans are the masters. I want to ask, can Europeans make their own decisions? Can the British be the masters themselves? I talk about Japan and the United Kingdom. If you think that countries like Japan and the United States are the same, I hope that you can learn more about Japanese society. For example, people who committed suicide because of the emperor's abdication. I talked about Japan and the United Kingdom because, like other countries, they are democratic and free, even with emperors and queens. Similarly, the Chinese believe that they are also democratic and free, even if it does not seem to be at all. But the truth is this. The British can't vote for the Queen. The Japanese can't decide the Emperor. On the contrary, the Japanese Emperor has great influence. Although the Japanese often deny this political issue, Japan's political arena is still a political continuation from the Meiji Restoration before World War II. Think about the Shinzo Abe family. Instead of ridiculing China’s autocracy, is it also ridiculing Japan’s autocracy. I don't think anyone has ridiculed President Bush. I mean two President Bush. I want to give an example. I don't know if you can understand. In the last US election, although more than half of the people supported Hillary, Trump was still elected to the US president because the state voted more. One person, becoming the president of a country, even if he is only supported by half of the people. Is this democracy? Is this half the tyranny of the other half? Should the United States be divided into two countries, is Hillary and Trump half? In addition, I really like Trump's make America great gain, but I remember that if there were any mistakes, there were many parades in the United States, and irony, against Teplang's words. Is this the embodiment of democracy and freedom of speech? It doesn't matter if brainwashed people believe they are not brainwashed. If Chinese people believe they are not being manipulated they are simply manipulated into believing the are not manipulated. Ironic isn't it. It is simple the people/organizations that try to limit knowledge and freedom of speech always do that because they have an agenda. Having an agenda means they want to control what you know because if they succeed in controlling what you know then they also by extension control what you believe. China claiming that foreign news outlets are lying are simply another step in controling what the chinese people believe, because if only chinese news are regarded as trustworthy they control what you believe which means they control you. All governments wants to do this to everyone, manipulation is simply what everyone does. However if you censor the internet and censor news and information you don't like then we live in a totalitarian state, like China. From wiki: "Mainland Chinese Internet censorship programs have censored Web sites that include (among other things):[citation needed] Web sites belonging to "outlawed" or suppressed groups, such as pro-democracy activists and Falun Gong. News sources that often cover topics that are considered defamatory against China, such as police brutality, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, freedom of speech, and democracy.[64] These sites include Voice of America and the Chinese edition of BBC News.Sites related to the Taiwanese government, media, or other organizations, including sites dedicated to religious content, and most large Taiwanese community websites or blogs. Web sites that contain anything the Chinese authorities regard as obscenity or pornography. Web sites relating to criminal activity. Sites linked with the Dalai Lama, his teachings or the International Tibet Independence Movement. Most blogging sites experience frequent or permanent outages. Web sites deemed as subversive. Other topics censored include: 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, Xinjiang re-education camps, Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China, and more." Another Chinese are brainwashed and CCP is evil post, yet again. So you boldly claim that Chinese are so brainwashed they don't even know they are brainwashed. How do you know you are in a safe place where all of your informations from western media (especially wiki, which most Chinese people won't read and edit) are all correct fact and neutral. It is just hilarious to see the people live outside of China and never visited China consider themselves more knowlegable about China than people actually living there, by only watching a few video clip and reading some poorly-based reports.
I don’t particularly like the word brainwashed, as it infers negative connotations to the recipient, be it a lack of critical faculties or whatever.
I really don’t think it’s arguable that Westerners have more open access to information than Chinese people. It’s not hearsay or some misconception it just absolutely the case.
The two media spheres are not at all equivalent. In the West there is a veritable fuckton of bullshit out there, and people trying to convince people to lean in a certain direction, absolutely. But these entities are all in competition for the hearts and minds of people in our area of the world, and a discerning person can sift through and make up their own minds.
In China, there is one real arbiter on information that has particular goals, and people do not have (easy) access to information outside of those parameters.
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From what I have seen from talking with people from China, when I was in university, they never even heard of what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989, and these people, being able to afford prestigious UK education would be considered amongst the richest and most educated people in China. That is the degree of control the Chinese government has over information in China. Have you heard of what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989?
And yes, I have visited China before. And Hong Kong too. The people of Hong Kong initially celebrated being handed to China, but now they no longer view themselves as Chinese, that is how poorly the China the country has treated them.
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Northern Ireland24509 Posts
On October 10 2019 03:10 chuchuchu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 02:58 Zaros wrote:
I will stop supporting Hearthstone or watching any Hearthstone content, I barely play starcraft but I do watch all the tournaments and will continue to do so for now but I will see if Blizzard has any change in policy.
I think a lot of the Chinese media/government have obviously tried to paint the protesters as terrorists and criminals but they have also tried to make it as if Hong Kong wants to be an independent country (which some do want but that is a minority) rather than having the freedoms they were guaranteed while being a part of China.
China signed an international treaty with the UK that guaranteed the rights of Hong Kong'ers for 50 years, it is blatantly breaking that treaty, there should be a bigger UK and international response. Do you support Northern Ireland independence, Scotland independence?
Yes and yes, if the majority people in said areas actually desire it.
As of yet, neither are the case. Although in Northern Ireland’s case it would be unifying with Ireland in some capacity that is generally proposed, not being independent as a separate nation.
As a British person by descent and culture I’d be fine with a united Irish state provided there were adequate safeguards in place regarding culture etc and dual citizenship options for Brits.
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Even though there's no direct relation to Strarcraft, I would appreciate a featured news post about the issue (yeah, it doesn't really, matter given how much publicity the incident has already gathered). A city state of 7 million people fighting the seemingly inevitable assimilation into a country under the helm of a tyrannical regime, transcends considerations of profit and relations. And Blizzard should face all the scrutiny and opposition anyone can muster for indulging China's present government.
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