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On October 09 2019 19:26 juicop wrote:
"for political statement " Now thats funny. Because they want the exact opposite. They dont want a political statement. Idiots just interpret this bullshit as such. So are they supposed to have political conflicts all day long in their shows? What about Ukraine-Russia? What about Africa? Middle East of course. South America Drug War. Holy shit, what if every asshole puts this shit into Hearthstone Tournaments? Wouldnt that be great? Who is going to represent both sides? What are those tournaments all about?
Btw: Remember Free Tibet? What happend to that shit? Do people still protest for that? Or is it done? No fake interest anymore, am i right?
What about punishing casters than? Should they be punished whenever random guy will shout "KILL THE INFIDELS" on the tournament or interview?
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On October 09 2019 21:52 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 19:26 juicop wrote:
"for political statement " Now thats funny. Because they want the exact opposite. They dont want a political statement. Idiots just interpret this bullshit as such. So are they supposed to have political conflicts all day long in their shows? What about Ukraine-Russia? What about Africa? Middle East of course. South America Drug War. Holy shit, what if every asshole puts this shit into Hearthstone Tournaments? Wouldnt that be great? Who is going to represent both sides? What are those tournaments all about?
Btw: Remember Free Tibet? What happend to that shit? Do people still protest for that? Or is it done? No fake interest anymore, am i right? What about punishing casters than? Should they be punished whenever random guy will shout "KILL THE INFIDELS" on the tournament or interview?
Well that depends on the reaction. The question is what reaction Blizz was expecting - if simple - you can't say that on the stream, we don't support this statement and we're against this - would be sufficient.
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Looks like Blizzard needs some Tegridy
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On October 09 2019 21:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 21:52 hitthat wrote:On October 09 2019 19:26 juicop wrote:
"for political statement " Now thats funny. Because they want the exact opposite. They dont want a political statement. Idiots just interpret this bullshit as such. So are they supposed to have political conflicts all day long in their shows? What about Ukraine-Russia? What about Africa? Middle East of course. South America Drug War. Holy shit, what if every asshole puts this shit into Hearthstone Tournaments? Wouldnt that be great? Who is going to represent both sides? What are those tournaments all about?
Btw: Remember Free Tibet? What happend to that shit? Do people still protest for that? Or is it done? No fake interest anymore, am i right? What about punishing casters than? Should they be punished whenever random guy will shout "KILL THE INFIDELS" on the tournament or interview? Well that depends on the reaction. The question is what reaction Blizz was expecting - if simple - you can't say that on the stream, we don't support this statement and we're against this - would be sufficient.
if any caster would ever say "we don't support this statement and we're against this" their heads would roll on reddit 5 minutes after saying that.
Rightfully so.
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On October 09 2019 21:52 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 19:26 juicop wrote:
"for political statement " Now thats funny. Because they want the exact opposite. They dont want a political statement. Idiots just interpret this bullshit as such. So are they supposed to have political conflicts all day long in their shows? What about Ukraine-Russia? What about Africa? Middle East of course. South America Drug War. Holy shit, what if every asshole puts this shit into Hearthstone Tournaments? Wouldnt that be great? Who is going to represent both sides? What are those tournaments all about?
Btw: Remember Free Tibet? What happend to that shit? Do people still protest for that? Or is it done? No fake interest anymore, am i right? What about punishing casters than? Should they be punished whenever random guy will shout "KILL THE INFIDELS" on the tournament or interview?
Well, the fact is that they are involved in this certain case.
What happened was:
In the interview, the gamer wore a gas mask - which is iconic for HK protesters. The casters talked to him, then at the end they said "OK no more questions. Now you say the eight words and we end the interview." And they clapped after he said the sentence.
So.. they kind of encouraged it, so it's no surprise that they are also punished.
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Guess it's really finally time for me to leave starcraft.
Sigh. Good bye everyone, how long has it been? 8 years?
I am 30 now and I just can't stand by and ignore these issues anymore.
Thank you all for the memories.
The youngsters are in the front line facing expired tear gas, rubber bullets, 10 years jail time and fucking rape apparently (I have a hospital source confirming me on this).
This is the least I can do.
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Northern Ireland27280 Posts
‘Sports and politics shouldn’t mix’ is such bullshit, it already has inextricable links and everything is political anyway to some degree. Not being able to express solidarity with your people is just as political as an individual actively doing so.
Sport has a noble tradition in this domain, being an activity that both inspires folks young and old alike, as well as forming a meeting ground that brings people together in friendly (or unfriendly) competition across borders.
I highly disagree with this, not quite as bad as staging the football World Cup of 2022 in a desert where homosexuality is illegal, but pretty bloody irritated.
I hope gamers can do more than Reddit posts and actually stick by a boycott if this is something they feel strongly about, gamers tend to be good at making noise and then spending their cash anyway, otherwise EA and Activision etc might have had to change their more egregious business practices.
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On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage. Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim. capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative
As a latin american I can say thats not true, not only that but capitalism profits a lot from controlled media.
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On October 09 2019 22:14 ETisME wrote:
Guess it's really finally time for me to leave starcraft.
Sigh. Good bye everyone, how long has it been? 8 years?
I am 30 now and I just can't stand by and ignore these issues anymore.
Thank you all for the memories.
The youngsters are in the front line facing expired tear gas, rubber bullets, 10 years jail time and fucking rape apparently (I have a hospital source confirming me on this).
This is the least I can do.
but lets not forget this! you can always watch starcraft on channels that aint related to blizzard
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On October 09 2019 22:14 ETisME wrote:
Guess it's really finally time for me to leave starcraft.
Sigh. Good bye everyone, how long has it been? 8 years?
I am 30 now and I just can't stand by and ignore these issues anymore.
Thank you all for the memories.
The youngsters are in the front line facing expired tear gas, rubber bullets, 10 years jail time and fucking rape apparently (I have a hospital source confirming me on this).
This is the least I can do.
You can still stay with us here on TL even if you quit starcraft. We here support you, even if there's a loud minority among us who don't.
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Blizzard is a profit company that is trying to secure a market in China, it is doing what it should be doing based on its financial standpoint. The question is - which may seem strange a bit - why there is so much attention to HK situation? To me this whole thing is nothing more than propaganda and it in reality it might be much smaller than the media trying to make out of it.
I'm not saying that it is perfect there but there is much exaggeration in how the media covers the situation mainly because the relationship between China and the West is not in its best at the moment. Same coverage would happen / happened during the Ukraine - Russia Crimea.
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
On October 09 2019 22:47 Wrath wrote:
The question is - which may seem strange a bit - why there is so much attention to HK situation? To me this whole thing is nothing more than propaganda and it in reality it might be much smaller than the media trying to make out of it.
I'm not saying that it is perfect there but there is much exaggeration in how the media covers the situation mainly because the relationship between China and the West is not in its best at the moment. Same coverage would happen / happened during the Ukraine - Russia Crimea.
So much? There's almost no news coverage or condemnation from world powers for what is seriously developing into a 2020 nazi germany 2.0.
Most of it's being swept under the rug for the sake of profit.. if you weren't looking out, maybe you're just not aware of most of the situation because of that. Do some research. HK is one of many egregious violations.
Blizzard is no longer ignoring the political upset, they just sided very publically and unapologetically with the tyrannical regime - presumably because they'd make more money that way.
Pretending that genocide among other things is not happening won't make it go away; in fact it's getting worse quite quickly. Every day that goes by without you and everybody around you condemning the chinese government is more bodies on the pile and history will not look kindly on those that buried their heads in the sand.
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On October 09 2019 22:47 Wrath wrote:
Blizzard is a profit company that is trying to secure a market in China, it is doing what it should be doing based on its financial standpoint. The question is - which may seem strange a bit - why there is so much attention to HK situation? To me this whole thing is nothing more than propaganda and it in reality it might be much smaller than the media trying to make out of it.
I'm not saying that it is perfect there but there is much exaggeration in how the media covers the situation mainly because the relationship between China and the West is not in its best at the moment. Same coverage would happen / happened during the Ukraine - Russia Crimea.
reading this hurts.
There's been so much info on this and it's not coming from the media.
If you haven't seen it then go to google.
Here's a start for you -
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dfesr9/i_am_a_17_year_old_protest_medic_for_the_ongoing/
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I think there are very few things that are worth giving up Starcraft. I love the game. But this is one of them.
Honestly, it would be epic if those of you going to Blizzcon would make some sort of show of support for the movement in Hong Kong. Maybe wear hot pink or something.
I understand that Blizzard doesn't want to jeopardize the Chinese market, but some things are worth more than money.
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Northern Ireland27280 Posts
On October 09 2019 22:53 Ellipsesdi wrote:
I think there are very few things that are worth giving up Starcraft. I love the game. But this is one of them.
Honestly, it would be epic if those of you going to Blizzcon would make some sort of show of support for the movement in Hong Kong. Maybe wear hot pink or something.
I understand that Blizzard doesn't want to jeopardize the Chinese market, but some things are worth more than money.
Wear a bunch of T-shirts featuring the ‘beloved’ cartoon character Hong Kong Phooey. Obvious enough to make the point, plausibly deniable enough to not get booted out of Blizzcon.
Plus he’s basically the only property I can recall from my childhood that hasn’t been rebooted yet, so would be nice to see him again.
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Having not seen the interview (what with it being in Chinese and all), it's hard to say whether or not Blizzard are overreacting. However, as far as the player goes, it's only a one-year ban right? With this action, they ensure that none of their games' players, at least in the short-term, will involve their branding in politically sensitive topics under penalty of at least a one year punting. After one year, the guy can return, can he not?
Blizzard has a business to run and doesn't want to be on China's shit list, even if it means kissing some totalitarian ass and ruining some careers along the way. The question, going forward, is whether this decision is good or bad for business.
Personally, I don't play any more Activision games (none since Modern Warfare 2). Also, in my opinion, Starcraft 2 is the best thing Blizzard has made (since Broodwar) and probably ever will make again, and is therefore the only Blizz game worth playing. None of these decisions are based on their politics, but the quality of their products, in my opinion. You could say I'm already boycotting all their trash for non-political reasons, but not playing Starcraft 2 is a bridge I'm not willing to cross.
This will surely blow over once people come to terms with the idea they had to do something to appear tough on anti-China activism at their events. We can only hope that something doesn't happen to this lad in the background, because... China doesn't fire dissidents, they kill them.
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On October 09 2019 22:20 Wombat_NI wrote:
‘Sports and politics shouldn’t mix’ is such bullshit, it already has inextricable links and everything is political anyway to some degree. Not being able to express solidarity with your people is just as political as an individual actively doing so.
Sport has a noble tradition in this domain, being an activity that both inspires folks young and old alike, as well as forming a meeting ground that brings people together in friendly (or unfriendly) competition across borders.
I highly disagree with this, not quite as bad as staging the football World Cup of 2022 in a desert where homosexuality is illegal, but pretty bloody irritated.
I hope gamers can do more than Reddit posts and actually stick by a boycott if this is something they feel strongly about, gamers tend to be good at making noise and then spending their cash anyway, otherwise EA and Activision etc might have had to change their more egregious business practices.
Very true! In many countries sports and politics are intrinsically linked. The separation of Sports and Politics is a very American attitude that I dislike and certainly won't follow!
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On October 09 2019 23:11 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 22:20 Wombat_NI wrote:
‘Sports and politics shouldn’t mix’ is such bullshit, it already has inextricable links and everything is political anyway to some degree. Not being able to express solidarity with your people is just as political as an individual actively doing so.
Sport has a noble tradition in this domain, being an activity that both inspires folks young and old alike, as well as forming a meeting ground that brings people together in friendly (or unfriendly) competition across borders.
I highly disagree with this, not quite as bad as staging the football World Cup of 2022 in a desert where homosexuality is illegal, but pretty bloody irritated.
I hope gamers can do more than Reddit posts and actually stick by a boycott if this is something they feel strongly about, gamers tend to be good at making noise and then spending their cash anyway, otherwise EA and Activision etc might have had to change their more egregious business practices. Very true! In many countries sports and politics are intrinsically linked. The separation of Sports and Politics is a very American attitude that I dislike and certainly won't follow!
You shouldn't mistake the separation of partisan politics in North American sports for separation of politics from sports. Core values and causes that aren't matters of which side of the political spectrum you belong to are still represented heavily in North American sports. You can say that for any league in any region.
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I get that they ban this guy, even if it's just for show. Firing the casters seems egregious though; makes them look like they're picking sides.
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
I just don't get all the "don't mix politics and sports" shit. Like do you guys don't remember 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow? Do you not remember the 1984 Olympic Games in LA? And I'm talking about using Olympic Games, the games that should be above politics and all the conflicts, the games that should meet the highest moral grounds. Even the god damn 1936 Berlin Olympic Games were not boycotted. And they were in the Nazi Germany!!!! (and Jesse Owens send a message who's the superior race  )
So can we stop being hypocritical and pretend there's something like "ooh, don't mix politics and sport"? Again, read the ideals of olympic games.
(let's ignore the fact Olympic Games went away from their ideals really, really, and I mean really, fast  )
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