EPTIn the midst of all this I can't help feel bad for the people that get their paycheck from Blizzard, whether they be StarCraft people or not, who have to make their decision to keep their mouths shut or criticize their employer's actions. Welp, I guess here's to waiting the BlizzCon broadcast will be an absolute shitshow because of all the people showing support for Honk Kong.
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
In the midst of all this I can't help feel bad for the people that get their paycheck from Blizzard, whether they be StarCraft people or not, who have to make their decision to keep their mouths shut or criticize their employer's actions. Welp, I guess here's to waiting the BlizzCon broadcast will be an absolute shitshow because of all the people showing support for Honk Kong. | ||
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goody153
44020 Posts
On October 09 2019 15:17 Silvanel wrote: I was wondering if this topic comes up. I am actually bothered by this. Not sure what can i do though other than not watching SC. Books, other video games, tons of series. There are also other esports content like dota2 , lol, those 2d fighting games that have as much content sc does. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4690 Posts
On October 09 2019 23:39 goody153 wrote: I know most corporations do really care about money mostly over everything else(it is why they are built in the firstplace) but damn seeing it firsthand is disappointing. Books, other video games, tons of series. There are also other esports content like dota2 , lol, those 2d fighting games that have as much content sc does. I know how to spend my time. I meant it in a sense "i dont know how else i can help in this matter - other than not watching SC"  . | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
On October 09 2019 20:07 jy_9876543210 wrote: On October 09 2019 19:55 kmh wrote: It's here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/dewz0p/hearthstone_official_weibo/f300don/ Er... nope. "The involved players will be banned and the relevant explanations will be immediately terminated. God bless America." Does that sound right? Nfl literally banned a player for standing up against police brutality and the common response was dont fuck with out flag god bless america. It's actually almost the same thing lol | ||
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Spirit_HUN
24 Posts
He simply broke the rules, ended up banning himself. Blizzard did the right thing. This is a video game company, not a political platform. If you are concerned about human rights in Hong Kong the are other ways, platforms to do that. You should not force a video game company to be political. There are no political comments in the Olympics, Football, Formula1 etc. as well. I dont want video games, sports events to be filled with politics. Viewers are there to be entertained, competitors are there to compete, and not to be forced to eat political bs 0-24. | ||
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Yurie
11679 Posts
On October 10 2019 00:59 Conut wrote: Nfl literally banned a player for standing up against police brutality and the common response was dont fuck with out flag god bless america. It's actually almost the same thing lol Yes I also think that is a bad thing. I never watched NFL though, so there was no way for me to lower my interaction. With Blizzard there is. So I do it here. Though there isn't much money I can pull back since they have no products worth spending money on any longer, even before this. So only thing I could do is uninstall anything I had remaining and not re-install or buy if they ever start making games again. | ||
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chuchuchu
40 Posts
How about HK? Some Westerners,especially Americans,always trying to impose your own views on others.Though we have different culture and backgroud.It's like inviting Muslims to eat pork. All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. And what the player of HK said？The mob's slogan and the mob's slogan.“光复香港，时代革命”means "bring Hong Kong back to colonial times , this is Revolution of the Times." if u want to express political aspirations ， Justice and Legality is the only way .Instead of wearing masks and throwing petrol bombs at police, burning shops and robbing goods. In fact, only a few young people in Hong Kong participated in the movement.Just like that HK player. No police attacked them ，u believe in Hong Kong's young unemployed vagrants，But u do not believe that the Hong Kong Police, the Hong Kong Government and the backbone of Hong Kong's Society. No One can say HK is not belong to CN，and No One can support Riots in HK.This is a riot masked by democracy and freedom. And when we talk about Taiwan , Taiwan is not a nation, if u really want to say,it is Republic of China，Former Government of Greater China，Substituted by the People's Republic of China after 1949. Resolution 2758 of the General Assembly of the United Nations was adopted at the 26th session of the General Assembly of the United Nations on October 25, 1971. it acknowledged that the representative of its government(people's Repulic of China) is the only legitimate representative of China in the United Nations. Taiwan is called Repulic of China,Look at the Constitution of Taiwan.You may even find that his capital is Nanjing.The Taiwan issue is like the legacy of the American Civil War. In addition, I would like to say that in China mainland the territorial issue of Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan is Extremely more serious than that of racism in the United States, because it involves the history of forced semi-colonialism in modern China, the First and Second World Wars, and the complex of traditional Chinese culture. It is also one of the core issues of Chinese civilization and Confucian civilization. Talking about this issue to a Chinese is like preaching to kill his father and insult his mother in East Asia. Think about the NBA. Of course, ALL Chinese support freedom and democracy. But propaganda of freedom and democracy, disguised support for the independence of Hong Kong and Taiwan, and the current riots in Hong Kong will greatly stimulate the Chinese people, especially in the last 20 years, who have made great achievements. Because such problems are the core of Chinese culture, or Confucian culture. So any question about this will make the Chinese feel unusually humiliated and regard it as a very serious discrimination. It's not just about race, it's about discrimination against the whole Chinese civilization. It includes history, religion, philosophy and social morality. AND I just found out https://www.rankedftw.com/，change the Flag and Name of The People's Republic of China.At present, some players'forums in China have regarded it as naked and serious discrimination. But it's not that serious yet, but this kind of behavior will gradually destroy China's StarCraft, and other Blizzard games in China. And anyone from mainland China or Hong Kong(who had lived in colonial times) or Macau（All）would regard such a thing as an insult, like calling a black nigger. I am very disappointed with what has happened internationally recently. We understand the international situation and the confrontation between different ideologies, cultures, political and economic interests. But we also hope that sports itself, or the spirit of sports, can respect each other, region, race, culture. Some people know Chinese culture and history very well, but still choose such a way of disrespecting China. It's very disappointing. Is it true that in other parts of the world, people live only to oppose China? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23736 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:04 Spirit_HUN wrote: When this player signed up for that tournament, he accepted the rules. He simply broke the rules, ended up banning himself. Blizzard did the right thing. This is a video game company, not a political platform. If you are concerned about human rights in Hong Kong the are other ways, platforms to do that. You should not force a video game company to be political. There are no political comments in the Olympics, Football, Formula1 etc. as well. I dont want video games, sports events to be filled with politics. Viewers are there to be entertained, competitors are there to compete, and not to be forced to eat political bs 0-24. They’re not a political platform, but they do have a clear political position here which is tow whatever line the Chinese authorities want them to tow. Seems to me it was a pretty good platform for the guy to use really, although the attention it gained was more from Blizzard’s reaction than his actions specifically. Gained a fuckload of traction even US Senators are wading in, doubt he’d have been able to elicit such a response with a tweet. China and especially the Gulf States use sport as an extension of their soft power, they’ve made it political already, likewise the Cold War saw sporting events like the Olympics as an ideological battleground. | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote: + Show Spoiler + I am an ordinary Chinese.,a player of SC or even a fan of Blizzard. How about HK? Some Westerners,especially Americans,always trying to impose your own views on others.Though we have different culture and backgroud.It's like inviting Muslims to eat pork. All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. And what the player of HK said？The mob's slogan and the mob's slogan.“光复香港，时代革命”means "bring Hong Kong back to colonial times , this is Revolution of the Times." if u want to express political aspirations ， Justice and Legality is the only way .Instead of wearing masks and throwing petrol bombs at police, burning shops and robbing goods. In fact, only a few young people in Hong Kong participated in the movement.Just like that HK player. No police attacked them ，u believe in Hong Kong's young unemployed vagrants，But u do not believe that the Hong Kong Police, the Hong Kong Government and the backbone of Hong Kong's Society. No One can say HK is not belong to CN，and No One can support Riots in HK.This is a riot masked by democracy and freedom. And when we talk about Taiwan , Taiwan is not a nation, if u really want to say,it is Republic of China，Former Government of Greater China，Substituted by the People's Republic of China after 1949. Resolution 2758 of the General Assembly of the United Nations was adopted at the 26th session of the General Assembly of the United Nations on October 25, 1971. it acknowledged that the representative of its government(people's Repulic of China) is the only legitimate representative of China in the United Nations. Taiwan is called Repulic of China,Look at the Constitution of Taiwan.You may even find that his capital is Nanjing.The Taiwan issue is like the legacy of the American Civil War. In addition, I would like to say that in China mainland the territorial issue of Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan is Extremely more serious than that of racism in the United States, because it involves the history of forced semi-colonialism in modern China, the First and Second World Wars, and the complex of traditional Chinese culture. It is also one of the core issues of Chinese civilization and Confucian civilization. Talking about this issue to a Chinese is like preaching to kill his father and insult his mother in East Asia. Think about the NBA. Of course, ALL Chinese support freedom and democracy. But propaganda of freedom and democracy, disguised support for the independence of Hong Kong and Taiwan, and the current riots in Hong Kong will greatly stimulate the Chinese people, especially in the last 20 years, who have made great achievements. Because such problems are the core of Chinese culture, or Confucian culture. So any question about this will make the Chinese feel unusually humiliated and regard it as a very serious discrimination. It's not just about race, it's about discrimination against the whole Chinese civilization. It includes history, religion, philosophy and social morality. AND I just found out https://www.rankedftw.com/，change the Flag and Name of The People's Republic of China.At present, some players'forums in China have regarded it as naked and serious discrimination. But it's not that serious yet, but this kind of behavior will gradually destroy China's StarCraft, and other Blizzard games in China. And anyone from mainland China or Hong Kong(who had lived in colonial times) or Macau（All）would regard such a thing as an insult, like calling a black nigger. I am very disappointed with what has happened internationally recently. We understand the international situation and the confrontation between different ideologies, cultures, political and economic interests. But we also hope that sports itself, or the spirit of sports, can respect each other, region, race, culture. Some people know Chinese culture and history very well, but still choose such a way of disrespecting China. It's very disappointing. Is it true that in other parts of the world, people live only to oppose China? The People’s Propaganda Machine found this thread, I see. | ||
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chuchuchu
40 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:21 Wombat_NI wrote: They’re not a political platform, but they do have a clear political position here which is tow whatever line the Chinese authorities want them to tow. Seems to me it was a pretty good platform for the guy to use really, although the attention it gained was more from Blizzard’s reaction than his actions specifically. Gained a fuckload of traction even US Senators are wading in, doubt he’d have been able to elicit such a response with a tweet. China and especially the Gulf States use sport as an extension of their soft power, they’ve made it political already, likewise the Cold War saw sporting events like the Olympics as an ideological battleground. if it is not an political extension of soft power,why some officials of the organization are talking about politics？if not,STOP talking.As an official, you can't blatantly confront the Chinese public opinion while thinking that discrimination against Chinese people, Chinese culture and support separatism and violence. | ||
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chuchuchu
40 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:25 farvacola wrote: The People’s Propaganda Machine found this thread, I see. Whatever you say, you think it's horrible propaganda from the Chinese government or from the common people of China. I hope you will continue to support the disintegration of Britain and the riots in France, the United States, and the freedom fighters in the Middle East. | ||
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jy_9876543210
265 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:25 farvacola wrote: The People’s Propaganda Machine found this thread, I see. Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
Do enlighten me, at which point of "we support freedom of speech" is the section about shooting protestors with live ammunition? How long after that do the tanks roll in? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23736 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:28 chuchuchu wrote: if it is not an political extension of soft power,why some officials of the organization are talking about politics？if not,STOP talking.As an official, you can't blatantly confront the Chinese public opinion while thinking that discrimination against Chinese people, Chinese culture and support separatism and violence. Why not? National self-determination is a key principle of geopolitics in the modern era. Considering a bomb blew in the windows of my house when I was but a babe, I’m quite happy that the United States interceded and helped facilitate a peace here that respected both of the national identities in our wee country. I would personally like to see more of China and its culture emerge onto the world stage, an old and venerable culture indeed, whose people have accomplished remarkable things in the last few decades especially. If it’s by trampling on everyone and expecting Westerners to bend to their whims and where criticism is construed as a grievous insult then, no thanks. | ||
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Excludos
Norway7942 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:12 chuchuchu wrote: All people are support freedom of speech and democracy,but Japan has a Emperor，England has a Queen，US and France dont have .The same thing looks different. I can not for the life of me guess whether this is a troll, of if he's actually brainwashed enough to think that a totalitarian regime is the same as Japan and England because they have a hyped up Emperor/Queen who are as such in name only, and doesn't actually have any real power. On October 10 2019 01:31 jy_9876543210 wrote: Well... he's just posting whatever he had learned. The big machine doesn't care about TL forum, it's too small. He just feels that he needs to do something to help no matter how little, although the entire post sounds worse than a high school essay... You severely underestimate the Chinese troll farm. They care about your mom's Facebook posts. | ||
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pzlama333
United States275 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:25 farvacola wrote: The People’s Propaganda Machine found this thread, I see. And I only see a lot of agents from CIA and corrupted Washington. | ||
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KT_Elwood
688 Posts
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chuchuchu
40 Posts
On October 10 2019 01:44 Wombat_NI wrote: Why not? National self-determination is a key principle of geopolitics in the modern era. Considering a bomb blew in the windows of my house when I was but a babe, I’m quite happy that the United States interceded and helped facilitate a peace here that respected both of the national identities in our wee country. I would personally like to see more of China and its culture emerge onto the world stage, an old and venerable culture indeed, whose people have accomplished remarkable things in the last few decades especially. If it’s by trampling on everyone and expecting Westerners to bend to their whims and where criticism is construed as a grievous insult then, no thanks. When you think so, have you ever asked about the thoughts of ordinary Chinese? It's like I'm here to express the thoughts of an ordinary Chinese. Indeed, I feel sad that I didn't learn English well, because what I lost is not a good paper, but an opportunity to communicate with others. Not only Americans can define the world. The pioneers of socialism and communism are Germans and French. Formerly President Roosevelt of the United States was also criticized for socialism or communism. But think about Chinese history, the current development of China, and the past workers of Britain. Some ideological conflicts are unavoidable, especially under the propaganda of some western media, they usually distort the report in order to satisfy their own interests. China does not do very well in many places, but it does not want to do so. No Chinese wants his country to be like India with the same population. (I do not mean to discriminate. Most Chinese want to live a good life first and guarantee everyone the same rights, wealth, rights and status.) In China, it is still possible to elect people who have been upgraded from the grassroots level through examinations and votes, while officials at the grassroots level are also elected. In China, former leaders were even born to poor peasants rather than a billion-dollar owner or equally wealthy political family. Both father and son are presidents. Western media believe that China is undemocratic and not free, and the Chinese believe that they are free and democratic. This seems to be a disgusting tactic. I was disappointed with many of the statements, especially those of the distorted Sixth Fourth Movement (my father was one of the participants, but later they built China into the second largest country in the world), and those who believed that the Hong Kong police should not react to any of the protestors'actions. When commenting, consider that China has 1.4 billion people. This country can not change because of the ideas of more than a dozen people, thousands of people and tens of thousands of people. The most important thing is to ensure that more than a billion people, like other Westerners, can live with wealth and dignity on this planet. | ||
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Achamian
82 Posts
On October 10 2019 02:04 chuchuchu wrote: When you think so, have you ever asked about the thoughts of ordinary Chinese? It's like I'm here to express the thoughts of an ordinary Chinese. Indeed, I feel sad that I didn't learn English well, because what I lost is not a good paper, but an opportunity to communicate with others. Not only Americans can define the world. The pioneers of socialism and communism are Germans and French. Formerly President Roosevelt of the United States was also criticized for socialism or communism. But think about Chinese history, the current development of China, and the past workers of Britain. Some ideological conflicts are unavoidable, especially under the propaganda of some western media, they usually distort the report in order to satisfy their own interests. China does not do very well in many places, but it does not want to do so. No Chinese wants his country to be like India with the same population. (I do not mean to discriminate. Most Chinese want to live a good life first and guarantee everyone the same rights, wealth, rights and status.) In China, it is still possible to elect people who have been upgraded from the grassroots level through examinations and votes, while officials at the grassroots level are also elected. In China, former leaders were even born to poor peasants rather than a billion-dollar owner or equally wealthy political family. Both father and son are presidents. Western media believe that China is undemocratic and not free, and the Chinese believe that they are free and democratic. This seems to be a disgusting tactic. I was disappointed with many of the statements, especially those of the distorted Sixth Fourth Movement (my father was one of the participants, but later they built China into the second largest country in the world), and those who believed that the Hong Kong police should not react to any of the protestors'actions. When commenting, consider that China has 1.4 billion people. This country can not change because of the ideas of more than a dozen people, thousands of people and tens of thousands of people. The most important thing is to ensure that more than a billion people, like other Westerners, can live with wealth and dignity on this planet. The people of China are great. Unfortunately, you have filters that don’t allow true free discourse between normal Chinese folk and “western” folk. Here’s a pro tip for you. If your government doesn’t allow the press or people in general to criticize it, you’re not part of a good system. American media is at a low point right now, but at least they can criticize the current administration if they feel a policy is wrong. Cheers and continue to reach out to as many different opinions and views as you can. | ||
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