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On October 09 2019 19:55 kmh wrote:
'we shall defend the country's honor' or something. Can anyone confirm this? If it's true, it's even more hillarious tbh.
It's here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/dewz0p/hearthstone_official_weibo/f300don/
Can't remember the exact phrase, but it's a very very very common stock phrase you'll see in lots of official communiques. You can read it as "god bless america" if you will, and shouldn't really read into it more than that.
Er... nope. "The involved players will be banned and the relevant explanations will be immediately terminated. God bless America." Does that sound right?
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On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression
A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage.
Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim.
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On October 09 2019 20:07 jy_9876543210 wrote:On October 09 2019 19:55 kmh wrote:Show nested quote + 'we shall defend the country's honor' or something. Can anyone confirm this? If it's true, it's even more hillarious tbh. It's here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/dewz0p/hearthstone_official_weibo/f300don/Show nested quote +
Can't remember the exact phrase, but it's a very very very common stock phrase you'll see in lots of official communiques. You can read it as "god bless america" if you will, and shouldn't really read into it more than that.
Er... nope. "The involved players will be banned and the relevant explanations will be immediately terminated. God bless America." Does that sound right?
Google translate gives it as "We will, as always, resolutely safeguard national dignity."
That's even worse. Why would blizzard think this would be a great official statement?
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i'd love to boycott blizzard games but sadly, they are my life LUL
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On October 09 2019 20:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage. Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim.
capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative
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On October 09 2019 20:12 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:07 jy_9876543210 wrote:On October 09 2019 19:55 kmh wrote: 'we shall defend the country's honor' or something. Can anyone confirm this? If it's true, it's even more hillarious tbh. It's here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/dewz0p/hearthstone_official_weibo/f300don/
Can't remember the exact phrase, but it's a very very very common stock phrase you'll see in lots of official communiques. You can read it as "god bless america" if you will, and shouldn't really read into it more than that.
Er... nope. "The involved players will be banned and the relevant explanations will be immediately terminated. God bless America." Does that sound right? Google translate gives it as "We will, as always, resolutely safeguard national dignity." That's even worse. Why would blizzard think this would be a great official statement?
Oh, it's not from blizzard. It's from the Hearthstone official account in China, which is managed by NetEase. Basically every Blizzard game in China is controlled by NetEase, they sell the games in their own way and they modify the graphics in game (red blood, dead body etc) to obey Chinese law, etc.
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>Greedy scum bows to censoring regime.
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On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage. Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim. capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative
From my experience China is more capitalistic than US. Even without the "free" media. Capitalism essentially means you have money in a private posession being invested for profit reasons. Hoarding the profit creates more capital which is invested again to get even more profit. That and nothing more. Nothing about freedom. You can attack the private posession of things in China to some level.
Capitalism doesn't require any freedom other than being able to own something and be able to make profit. If you can make profit and own things, you can have capitalism.
It was a long time ago I had my economy so I may remember thing wrong, but I think I get the capitalism roots still correctly.
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On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:
capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative
It really does not. You would do well to read up on the history of capitalism and the 19th century in general. I think you'll find the development of press laws etc highly interesting. https://www.revolutionspodcast.com/ is a great start.
Capitalism doesn't require freedom of press, but capitalism does lead to capitalists wanting political power including the power of political speech. They do not especially enjoy extending that freedom to other classes. So in essence capitalism requires freedom of speech for the capitalists but not others. For more on this, read up on the The United Fruit company and how they dealt with freedom of the press.
Things aren't as simple as you would like to believe.
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On October 09 2019 20:27 ByuuN wrote:
>Greedy scum bows to censoring regime.
Did Poland officially acknowledged Taiwan as a country? 
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My favourite part in all of this is redditors who barely even play the game / quit years ago, coming back and saying that they love sc2 and sadly have to quit etc. You've already done that.
Obviously it's a tense and chaotic sort of situation. Seeing such people attempting to foist players like me to abruptly quit the game - the only game I've played for years and years - is just laughable.
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On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage. Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim. capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative Use your head, capitalism cares not one jot about non-state controlled media. China is not communist anyways. China is the rampant forces capitalism channelled by the state for its own ends. Capitalism has existed even before there was a broad media to control.
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On October 09 2019 20:12 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Google translate gives it as "We will, as always, resolutely safeguard national dignity."
That's even worse. Why would blizzard think this would be a great official statement?
Look up any statement from any western company in china. It's a stock phrase. You can literally copy-paste and google it.
Of all the things to glom on to, this isn't relevant.
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On October 09 2019 20:38 sudete wrote:
My favourite part in all of this is redditors who barely even play the game / quit years ago, coming back and saying that they love sc2 and sadly have to quit etc. You've already done that.
Obviously it's a tense and chaotic sort of situation. Seeing such people attempting to foist players like me to abruptly quit the game - the only game I've played for years and years - is just laughable.
You're very special, and kudos for resisting the efforts of former players looking to advocate on behalf of a cause they believe worthy. How dare they foist you so.
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Just as a further example, here's the website for a trade show:
http://www.hpzy-expo.com/en/page-99480.html
... First, the foreign affairs discipline
1, strictly abide by the state laws and regulations of the foreign affairs and foreign affairs, all line to listen to the command
2, safeguard national dignity and interests of the state and the credibility of the company, not to do any harm national dignity and reputation of the company.
It sounds weird taken out of context, you have to view it in context.
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I obviously think that Blizzard makes amasing games, but they should probably stick to that.
Sadly i think the e-sports scene is way to controlled. I would have hoped that the age of internet-athles would offer a more free thinking playerbase compared to conventional sports. In fact its the other way around. Soccer players say all kinds of political stuff, get in fights, do drugs, drive drunk, are homephobic, rasist ect. ect. That is usually handled by the team itself or has no penalty.
Think of all the bans of streamers based on whatever little reason. The fact that some private company can pull away the basis of your earnings with no trail or official process is dangerous, and not acceptable in modern democracies.
It is sad. If you have a strong political opinion you should be able to use any platform to inform people around you. Thats how a democracy work.
And offcause: Support the freedom fighters of Hongkong! The world do not need more people suppressed by totalitarian regimes
PEACE!
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When events like this transpire, I often see some confusion in the discussion.
The question here isn't whether or not Blizzard can do this. We know they can.
The question is if you will support it. I won't. I don't support tyranny.
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I think it's not OK, that people get banned for stating their opinion about 1. human rights and 2. a country not respecting contracts.
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Something similar happened with the NBA this past week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/daryl-morey-s-tweet-hong-kong-shows-how-china-calling-ncna1063551
Basically China now feels sufficiently empowered to flex their economic muscle in a way to try and get US and EU corporations to do what they want in regards to censorship, acceding to the party line etc.
Google did not acquiesce to this nonsense, that's why they left China a few years back.
I very much hope companies do not allow China to censor the speech of their people, employees, and competitors. It's unacceptable to me that freedom of speech would be eroded by the communist party in this way, especially since they're just trying to increase their own power at the expense of the people.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 09 2019 20:30 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage. Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim. capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative From my experience China is more capitalistic than US. Even without the "free" media. Capitalism essentially means you have money in a private posession being invested for profit reasons. Hoarding the profit creates more capital which is invested again to get even more profit. That and nothing more. Nothing about freedom. You can attack the private posession of things in China to some level. Capitalism doesn't require any freedom other than being able to own something and be able to make profit. If you can make profit and own things, you can have capitalism. It was a long time ago I had my economy so I may remember thing wrong, but I think I get the capitalism roots still correctly. On October 09 2019 20:31 kmh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:
capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative It really does not. You would do well to read up on the history of capitalism and the 19th century in general. I think you'll find the development of press laws etc highly interesting. https://www.revolutionspodcast.com/ is a great start. Capitalism doesn't require freedom of press, but capitalism does lead to capitalists wanting political power including the power of political speech. They do not especially enjoy extending that freedom to other classes. So in essence capitalism requires freedom of speech for the capitalists but not others. For more on this, read up on the The United Fruit company and how they dealt with freedom of the press. Things aren't as simple as you would like to believe. On October 09 2019 20:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 20:15 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:06 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 09 2019 20:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 09 2019 20:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
what a crock of shit. spineless executives bowing to communist regime. the people who own you are the people you cannot criticize. They aren't bowing to a communist regime. China is a capitalist regime and Blizzard's actions are fully in line with capitalism. They are still totally spineless of course, and they are fully aware that money owns them. there is no capitalism without free press. there are positive externalites in taking a stand against suppression of expression A free press is not an essential of capitalism, it is an essential of freedom. Two different concepts. Capitalism only needs the flow of money to be concentrated to be spent. And China and their ruling party understands capitalism oh so very well, which is why they can use it to their advantage. Their capitalistic system undergoes many different descriptions over time, but the most popular one seems to be "state capitalism" at the moment, if you want to read up on how exactly China has captured the world market with its capitalsim. capitalism requires non-state controlled media. maybe this isn't in a book but use your head. how can you invest freely and intelligently if the information you are getting about potential leads are filtered through the state's narrative Use your head, capitalism cares not one jot about non-state controlled media. China is not communist anyways. China is the rampant forces capitalism channelled by the state for its own ends. Capitalism has existed even before there was a broad media to control.
thanks for the input. i will look into it more. i haven't viewed china as a capitalist state because of the regime's stranglehold on media. i suppose i was too quick to assume that this would funnel money into state-sanctioned enterprises. but at the end of the day these are still enterprises.
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