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On October 09 2019 17:32 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 17:31 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2019 17:30 Excludos wrote:On October 09 2019 17:29 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 09 2019 17:21 Solar424 wrote:On October 09 2019 17:02 hitthat wrote:On October 09 2019 16:55 Solar424 wrote:
If that happens Blizzard will have blood on their hands. Yeah... you Americans are apparently all like that... No wonder that a stupid things like a wattermelon T-shirt in video games are a cause of online shitstorm, if you can go from one extreme (comparing rioters to mass murderes) to another one (blaming banning a player as a cooperation in potencial atrocity.) By banning blitzchung Blizzard has basically come out in support of the CPC and the Hong Kong police and their actions. If there is a bloody crackdown they'll try to retcon it like they do with all their other stories and say they were always against the police, but we'll all know that's a lie. I disagree with your opinion. They have come out as a for profit organisation forbidding people to use their game and popularity as a platform for political agenda. Neither military action, nor violence in the city of Hongkong are related to anything blizzard does or wants to accomplish. Avoiding taking side in any conflict also avoids alienating a part of your potential costumers because of political believe. And the casters? What did they do other than being somewhere remotely close to the situation at hand? They hide, didn't try to step in nor they said nothing against this? I believe for this. They ducked down and then cut to commercials. Yes, what absolute savages. Definitively deserved to get fired..
I'm not saying it was right, was just offering my view why this happened.
On October 09 2019 17:35 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +And this is a perfect example of why political voices should not interfere with esports. Once the topic starts, it will always offend people and create disputes, robbing the space for rational discussion. So the high road for blizzard would have been: "Sad to announce that Blitzching has violated TOS and will DQ from the next X-Tournamentcycles" But DQ for Life+Holding back prize money + firing the casters for not stopping him... well that is actually political and very opressive.
I'm still wondering if you reply on my previous reply to your post  (the government one  )
On October 09 2019 17:34 AlexZhang1012 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 17:24 GoloSC2 wrote:On October 09 2019 17:14 AlexZhang1012 wrote:On October 09 2019 16:19 hitthat wrote:On October 09 2019 16:11 pzlama333 wrote:
If anyone want to support such actions, I assume that they are no difference with 9/11 attackers. Are you Americans all like that? No, it's not even REMOTELY comperable to 9/11. I do not question the rights of the chinese gouverment to the Hong Kong, but compering a rioters with clear political statement to a terrorists who did mass murder with primary intention to kill as many people they can just to send a message they want war is geting too far. The fact is that the rioters are beating up police and anyone dares to disagree, throwing gasoline bombs and destroying subway stations, all while wearing black masks and overalls to "send a message". The "fact" is also that the police have set an example when it comes to violence and that in almost any large enough group of people there will be people who are prone to violence and that will take the behaviour of the police as justification of their actions. There was barely any note of deescalation by the police (which would be part of their fucking job), instead we get the videos of them pushing people down escalators so now the chinese government and people like you can point to the protesters' violence. I'm assuming by "deescalation" you mean the police should do nothing and allow protestors to set fire on the street and paralyze MTR system. The fucking job of the police is not to pacify violent-prone thugs but to arrest them. If masked men in black were rioting in the USA they would be shot down to the last man.
From what was in my medie the situation was following:
1) Nonviolent protests
2) Political response from the governer(? the lady in charge) about more China friendly solution
3) Protests with covered faces
4) Police brutally attacking non violent protesters(at that time)
5) #4 turned the protests into full blown riots with police beating them, they beating the police
I believe this is how all western media covered it, so ... uh... Hong Kong Police was the one who started the violence
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how lovely it would be to live in a world where people kept their political nonsense out of sport
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On October 09 2019 17:35 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +And this is a perfect example of why political voices should not interfere with esports. Once the topic starts, it will always offend people and create disputes, robbing the space for rational discussion. So the high road for blizzard would have been: "Sad to announce that Blitzching has violated TOS and will DQ from the next X-Tournamentcycles" But DQ for Life+Holding back prize money + firing the casters for not stopping him... well that is actually political and very opressive.
Exacly.
Player did violate rule. Casters did not. Punishing casters is political statement. And I bet it was decision dictated by external pressure.
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Don't see the problem.
Hk is like a Singapore, a parasite city with ultra privileged rich citizens who got special rights. I am glad China is finally taking actions against it even if I am bit upsed for their light reaction, why don't they intervene with the army for god sake. They are nothing but rich kids who would flee, it's a disgrace.
All in all this is a struggle between the same international bourgeoisie who exploits billions and destroy the planet and the last nation state who can deal with it, if China loses it, it just means nothing can be done.
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On October 09 2019 17:41 stilt wrote:
Don't see the problem.
Hk is like a Singapore, a parasite city with ultra privileged rich citizens who got special rights. I am glad China is finally taking actions against it even if I am bit upsed for their light reaction, why don't they intervene with the army for god sake. They are nothing but rich kids who would flee, it's a disgrace.
All in all this is a struggle between the same international bourgeoisie who exploits billions and destroy the planet and the last nation state who can deal with it, if China loses it, it just means nothing can be done.
Then they shouldn't start with one country two systems
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On October 09 2019 17:34 AlexZhang1012 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 17:24 GoloSC2 wrote:On October 09 2019 17:14 AlexZhang1012 wrote:On October 09 2019 16:19 hitthat wrote:On October 09 2019 16:11 pzlama333 wrote:
If anyone want to support such actions, I assume that they are no difference with 9/11 attackers. Are you Americans all like that? No, it's not even REMOTELY comperable to 9/11. I do not question the rights of the chinese gouverment to the Hong Kong, but compering a rioters with clear political statement to a terrorists who did mass murder with primary intention to kill as many people they can just to send a message they want war is geting too far. The fact is that the rioters are beating up police and anyone dares to disagree, throwing gasoline bombs and destroying subway stations, all while wearing black masks and overalls to "send a message". The "fact" is also that the police have set an example when it comes to violence and that in almost any large enough group of people there will be people who are prone to violence and that will take the behaviour of the police as justification of their actions. There was barely any note of deescalation by the police (which would be part of their fucking job), instead we get the videos of them pushing people down escalators so now the chinese government and people like you can point to the protesters' violence. I'm assuming by "deescalation" you mean the police should do nothing and allow protestors to set fire on the street and paralyze MTR system. The fucking job of the police is not to pacify violent-prone thugs but to arrest them.
these the violent-prone thugs you talking about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Yuen_Long_attack
If masked men in black were rioting in the USA they would be shot down to the last man.
that would be a very sad and tragic event and not even remotely close to what police should be doing
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On October 09 2019 16:46 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 15:37 abuse wrote:On October 09 2019 15:26 Haukinger wrote:On October 09 2019 15:19 abuse wrote:
You say mixing up sports and politics is frowned upon, yet, Blizzard is allowed to be as political as they want.
Do you know that in the Overwatch league the Taiwanese team isn't called Taiwan but "Chinese Taipei" and the players are not allowed to even use their own country's flag because Blizzard doesn't want to kiss up to China to enter their market, and China thinks Taiwan is still their territory.
And south tirolean athletes are forced to compete under the italian flag, and there's the organizer's egalitarian ads in soccer matches and so on. Of course, sports are used for political agitation, but that doesn't make adding to it less bad. First off, South Tyrol isn't a country(not recognized at least). Taiwan is. Second, you're just proving my point here. Organizations can do whatever the fuck they want, both in my case and yours, and see no consequences. It's time for the shit to stop and to give consequences. Saying "Free Hongkong" after winning a tournament is not comparable to the shit that they've been doing and did now. Even fired the casters who literally said nothing. Frankly though, with this, Blizzard know what they're doing. I doubt they give a single shit about the western market anymore. They've been put between a rock and a hard place here, and they're literally killing their western image to try and get access to China, and if they do, they'll make billions. Blizzard is, time and time again, choosing to abandon the people who used to love them and are still the ones supporting their scummy business, by literally not giving a shit about them anymore, and trying to move to China. And that's their choice, but fuck them for that. Please list all the countries that officially politically recognize Taiwan. Please do so. Because only few officially recognized Taiwan, many have there embassy and some political/trade agreements but officially they don't recognize Taiwan as a standalone country. So, because I am obviously one of the misinformed, please list those countries. Wiki is also misinformed obviously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#Full_diplomatic_relations
Wiki is as always simplyfing things. It says the US has no full diplomatic representation which might be true. But yet US is sending Aircrft Carriers to deter Chianas agression against Tawian which is much stronger statement than any level of dimplomatic relations.
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this is fucked and btw they do not always enforce this rule
i have definitely heard Tasteless and Artosis make several statements about Donald Trump on GSL broadcasts before. and nothing happened. as it shouldn't.
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On October 09 2019 17:41 stilt wrote:
Don't see the problem.
Hk is like a Singapore, a parasite city with ultra privileged rich citizens who got special rights.
When Malaysia decided Singapure is a parasite, they just talled them to fuck off and separated from them instead of sending army.
On October 09 2019 17:41 stilt wrote:
All in all this is a struggle between the same international bourgeoisie who exploits billions and destroy the planet and the last nation state who can deal with it, if China loses it, it just means nothing can be done.
Assuming you are not a trolling, I dont see a big difference between planet devastation made by "bourgeoisie" and that one done by "commies". I can easily show you multiple ecological catastrophies made by them at hand, starting with China.
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On October 09 2019 17:41 stilt wrote:
Don't see the problem.
Hk is like a Singapore, a parasite city with ultra privileged rich citizens who got special rights. I am glad China is finally taking actions against it even if I am bit upsed for their light reaction, why don't they intervene with the army for god sake. They are nothing but rich kids who would flee, it's a disgrace.
All in all this is a struggle between the same international bourgeoisie who exploits billions and destroy the planet and the last nation state who can deal with it, if China loses it, it just means nothing can be done.
If you don't see a problem then shut up, you're not allowed to speak about politics according to yourself.
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On October 09 2019 17:49 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 16:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2019 15:37 abuse wrote:On October 09 2019 15:26 Haukinger wrote:On October 09 2019 15:19 abuse wrote:
You say mixing up sports and politics is frowned upon, yet, Blizzard is allowed to be as political as they want.
Do you know that in the Overwatch league the Taiwanese team isn't called Taiwan but "Chinese Taipei" and the players are not allowed to even use their own country's flag because Blizzard doesn't want to kiss up to China to enter their market, and China thinks Taiwan is still their territory.
And south tirolean athletes are forced to compete under the italian flag, and there's the organizer's egalitarian ads in soccer matches and so on. Of course, sports are used for political agitation, but that doesn't make adding to it less bad. First off, South Tyrol isn't a country(not recognized at least). Taiwan is. Second, you're just proving my point here. Organizations can do whatever the fuck they want, both in my case and yours, and see no consequences. It's time for the shit to stop and to give consequences. Saying "Free Hongkong" after winning a tournament is not comparable to the shit that they've been doing and did now. Even fired the casters who literally said nothing. Frankly though, with this, Blizzard know what they're doing. I doubt they give a single shit about the western market anymore. They've been put between a rock and a hard place here, and they're literally killing their western image to try and get access to China, and if they do, they'll make billions. Blizzard is, time and time again, choosing to abandon the people who used to love them and are still the ones supporting their scummy business, by literally not giving a shit about them anymore, and trying to move to China. And that's their choice, but fuck them for that. Please list all the countries that officially politically recognize Taiwan. Please do so. Because only few officially recognized Taiwan, many have there embassy and some political/trade agreements but officially they don't recognize Taiwan as a standalone country. So, because I am obviously one of the misinformed, please list those countries. Wiki is also misinformed obviously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#Full_diplomatic_relations Wiki is as always simplyfing things. It says the US has no full diplomatic representation which might be true. But yet US is sending Aircrft Carriers to deter Chianas agression against Tawian which is much stronger statement than any level of dimplomatic relations.
At the same time US isn't disputing one China. So we want this from Blizzard who doesn't have military nor political power and yet we're fine with US doing this double think process? Isn't this very hypocritical?
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how lovely it would be to live in a world where people kept their political nonsense out of sport
Hrmm there is a fine line between not being political and just have fun - and not being political because you are about to face serious financial consequences if the wrong words are to be said within the context of one of your products.
Blizzard knows that they won't be allowed to sell services, if they don't act as if they were the chinese censors themselfs. And they know they can not take chinese gov to court over this (as they could in the US of A)
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On October 09 2019 17:54 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +how lovely it would be to live in a world where people kept their political nonsense out of sport Hrmm there is a fine line between not being political and just have fun - and not being political because you are about to face serious financial consequences if the wrong words are to be said within the context of one of your products. Blizzard knows that they won't be allowed to sell services, if they don't act as if they were the chinese censors themselfs. And they know they can not take chinese gov to court over this (as they could in the US of A)
Actually I was mostly referring to Blizzard/China not honoring the sanctity of sport - corrupting it with political nonsense.
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On October 09 2019 17:52 Schelim wrote:
this is fucked and btw they do not always enforce this rule
i have definitely heard Tasteless and Artosis make several statements about Donald Trump on GSL broadcasts before. and nothing happened. as it shouldn't.
I don't think the two are compareable. Making fun of Trump is a whole industry in and of itself in the US.
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And then there is this, from reddit:
American University Hearthstone team holds up "Free Hong Kong, boycott Blizzard" sign during Collegiate Hearthstone Championship. Blizzard quickly cuts their broadcast.
streamable.com
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Why anyone would support blizzard after the last 8 years of horseshit is beyond me.
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On October 09 2019 17:56 crnm95 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 17:54 KT_Elwood wrote:how lovely it would be to live in a world where people kept their political nonsense out of sport Hrmm there is a fine line between not being political and just have fun - and not being political because you are about to face serious financial consequences if the wrong words are to be said within the context of one of your products. Blizzard knows that they won't be allowed to sell services, if they don't act as if they were the chinese censors themselfs. And they know they can not take chinese gov to court over this (as they could in the US of A) Actually I was mostly referring to Blizzard/China not honoring the sanctity of sport - corrupting it with political nonsense.
Ridiculous. If you honor the sanctity of sport, you shouldn't say any political word in a game!
What do you wanna see ?" An excellent game "or"political opinion"?
I dont think you want to talk about your work when you are enjoying your vacation.
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On October 09 2019 18:21 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
Why anyone would support blizzard after the last 8 years of horseshit is beyond me.
While I agree with you it is not as clear cut as that. I love starcraft and if no one supports the game it will disappear, imagine if Fifa owned soccer and if you didn't support them no one could play soccer. Between a rock and a hard place for sure
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On October 09 2019 17:57 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 17:52 Schelim wrote:
this is fucked and btw they do not always enforce this rule
i have definitely heard Tasteless and Artosis make several statements about Donald Trump on GSL broadcasts before. and nothing happened. as it shouldn't. I don't think the two are compareable. Making fun of Trump is a whole industry in and of itself in the US.
Of course they aren't. Trump won't ban your games in America  .
And Americans themselves won't rally to keep politics out of the game.
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Actually I was mostly referring to Blizzard/China not honoring the sanctity of sport - corrupting it with political nonsense.
Just say it like it is: "I am not interested in that shit, but I can not not-care enough to not comment either"
"sanctity of sport" ...To china, like many insecure nations world wide sport is just another way to show dominance, and so they do everything to win in popular sports - like shielding athletes from anti-doping tests .
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