EPT If that happens Blizzard will have blood on their hands.
If Blizzard and other companies would not have bend over and backwards to get into the market, maybe their chinese customers would have more reasons to distrust their government.
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KT_Elwood
Germany1091 Posts
If Blizzard and other companies would not have bend over and backwards to get into the market, maybe their chinese customers would have more reasons to distrust their government. | ||
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
On October 09 2019 16:11 pzlama333 wrote: First, Taiwan is not a country. United Nation does not recognize it. United States does not recognize it. Russia does not recognize it. United Kingdom, France, and all European Union countries do not recognize it. Most countries in the world do not recognize it. Even Taiwan's own "constitution", claim itself as part of China, under the name of "Republic of China". Technically, the mainland and the government in the island are still at full war state, and there is not even a cease fire. Second, Blizzard has its rules and will follow it. Anyone who compete an official competition also must accept it. If someone break the rules, whatever it is cheating or insulting other people, Blizzard has and will use its power. Not only Blizzard, most major sports organizations all have such rules. One example is FIFA, which bans all politics in any soccer event. 3. The riots and terrorists in Hong Kong do not seek freedom of speech. They seek freedom of making crimes and separation by force. They burn subway and banks, loot shops, block airport, and attack police, tourists and random people on street. If anyone want to support such actions, I assume that they are no difference with 9/11 attackers. Change your country to China xD | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:08 KT_Elwood wrote: If Blizzard and other companies would not have bend over and backwards to get into the market, maybe their chinese customers would have more reasons to distrust their government. Can you tell me why Blizzard is the vilain here while almost all the countries in the world are bending over and backwards and don't recognize Taiwan are fine? And Blizzard has zero political power but the US, EU countries... If all these angry people would turn their anger at their government then maybe somethign would happen, Blizzard is nobody in political sense. | ||
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AlexZhang1012
63 Posts
On October 09 2019 16:19 hitthat wrote: Are you Americans all like that? No, it's not even REMOTELY comperable to 9/11. I do not question the rights of the chinese gouverment to the Hong Kong, but compering a rioters with clear political statement to a terrorists who did mass murder with primary intention to kill as many people they can just to send a message they want war is geting too far. The fact is that the rioters are beating up police and anyone dares to disagree, throwing gasoline bombs and destroying subway stations, all while wearing black masks and overalls to "send a message". I don't want to debate on TL about whether the rioters are terrorists. And this is a perfect example of why political voices should not interfere with esports. Once the topic starts, it will always offend people and create disputes, robbing the space for rational discussion. There are platforms dedicated for political discussions, as Blizzard events are dedicated for esports and games. IMO Blizzard has done a good job of making an example out of this player. "Every voice matters" is no excuse for contaminating the esport scene with political views. | ||
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feebas
Finland268 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:14 AlexZhang1012 wrote: IMO Blizzard has done a good job of making an example out of this player. The problem is, they didn't stop on punishing a player. By punishing a casters too they gave clear signal it's not the rules that was their biggest concern, but that decision was political. | ||
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:07 Excludos wrote: The lack of stances taken by progamers is a bit saddening. I understand the unwillingness to put livelihood at risk, but this is massively egregious move by Blizzard, and should not remotely be tolerated. This is going to suck massively, especially since I've just gotten back into sc2 and have been having a great time. And it probably won't have any effect other than making myself feel better, but I'm uninstalling Blizzard launcher today. I will not support a company that acts unacceptable towards its own players and fans to appease an authoritarian country. While I had the same thoughts as you yesterday, when i was made aware of the story - i have since come to re-evaluate my stance on the subject. In the ideal world - streamers would voice their opinion on this matter, and use their influence over the people who consume their product- to send a message to blizzard.. Though it is very understandable that most would be apprehensive about biting the hand that feeds them.. If all did so collectivly i might work, but in the frame that is set up my the prisoners dilemma-mentallity , it i better for the individual to stay quiet.. Blizzard obviously knows that consumer attention is short - and the long term outlook for their evaluation is probably based on success in the chinese market. Look at EA 6 months ago - everybody was saying they would fall from their grred - but their stock is healthty as ever.. Being a streamer is a fragile profession - your livelyhood is based on the interest in what you are doing .. it not like if i quit my job because i disagree with the companies morals - i would still have my degree, and abilities as a programmer. But can a streamer be confident that they'll have the same success streaming another game? Its tricky. | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:17 feebas wrote: Can't really expect private US & EU companies to stand up to dictatorships when our own governments seem all too happy to put cash in the short-term over free world values over the long-term. Nowadays anything goes, just to get those juicy chinese Renminbi. Used to be the same way wiht US Dollars, but with chinese economy overtaking the US in power, I expect a large shift in sociatal values along with it. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:02 hitthat wrote: Yeah... you Americans are apparently all like that... No wonder that a stupid things like a wattermelon T-shirt in video games are a cause of online shitstorm, if you can go from one extreme (comparing rioters to mass murderes) to another one (blaming banning a player as a cooperation in potencial atrocity.) By banning blitzchung Blizzard has basically come out in support of the CPC and the Hong Kong police and their actions. If there is a bloody crackdown they'll try to retcon it like they do with all their other stories and say they were always against the police, but we'll all know that's a lie. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:06 jy_9876543210 wrote: It's very likely that you live there while not being aware of it. Check out this topic: https://www.zhihu.com/question/341902256 (in Chinese) That is exactly what i mean, the credit system in China is basically a financial statement. Banks all over the world have similar conducts. There is no 'social credit' for being 'well-behaved'. | ||
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GoloSC2
711 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:14 AlexZhang1012 wrote: The fact is that the rioters are beating up police and anyone dares to disagree, throwing gasoline bombs and destroying subway stations, all while wearing black masks and overalls to "send a message". The "fact" is also that the police have set an example when it comes to violence and that in almost any large enough group of people there will be people who are prone to violence and that will take the behaviour of the police as justification of their actions. There was barely any note of deescalation by the police (which would be part of their fucking job), instead we get the videos of them pushing people down escalators so now the chinese government and people like you can point to the protesters' violence. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Not allowing something however doesn't mean to ban him and take his money, that is in my opinion clearly going too far. Punishing the casters though that is so incredibly shitty I lack the words to properly articulate my disgust. Doing something like that IS sending a strong political statement, doing the thing themselves that they ban their players for doing. Punish the player sure, even to this over the top degree is at least in accordance with the rules but the casters...... There is absolutely no way to defend that, seriously Blizz get your shit together. | ||
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:14 AlexZhang1012 wrote: The fact is that the rioters are beating up police and anyone dares to disagree, throwing gasoline bombs and destroying subway stations, all while wearing black masks and overalls to "send a message". I don't want to debate on TL about whether the rioters are terrorists. And this is a perfect example of why political voices should not interfere with esports. Once the topic starts, it will always offend people and create disputes, robbing the space for rational discussion. There are platforms dedicated for political discussions, as Blizzard events are dedicated for esports and games. IMO Blizzard has done a good job of making an example out of this player. "Every voice matters" is no excuse for contaminating the esport scene with political views. You mean fighting back against a pro-chinese police force, lead by a corrupt council of politicians - because hong kong has one of the least democratic election structures in the world? No wonder they're fighting back. You should look into their election process - its a bullshit system | ||
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Excludos
Norway8208 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:22 CxWiLL wrote: That is exactly what i mean, the credit system in China is basically a financial statement. Banks all over the world have similar conducts. There is no 'social credit' for being 'well-behaved'. That's a straight up false claim. People have lost all social credits for standing up to either the Chinese government, or for speaking out against something the Chinese government happen to like. Banks credit scores works on how well you're able to pay your bills. Chinese credit scores works on whatever the hell they feel like. https://china-journal.org/2019/05/27/chinese-mma-fighter-xu-xiaodong-has-social-credit-score-lowered-to-d-is-barred-from-buying-plane-tickets-and-real-estate/ | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:21 Solar424 wrote: By banning blitzchung Blizzard has basically come out in support of the CPC and the Hong Kong police and their actions. If there is a bloody crackdown they'll try to retcon it like they do with all their other stories and say they were always against the police, but we'll all know that's a lie. I disagree with your opinion. They have come out as a for profit organisation forbidding people to use their game and popularity as a platform for political agenda. Neither military action, nor violence in the city of Hongkong are related to anything blizzard does or wants to accomplish. Avoiding taking side in any conflict also avoids alienating a part of your potential costumers because of political believe. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8208 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:29 Branch.AUT wrote: I disagree with your opinion. They have come out as a for profit organisation forbidding people to use their game and popularity as a platform for political agenda. Neither military action, nor violence in the city of Hongkong are related to anything blizzard does or wants to accomplish. Avoiding taking side in any conflict also avoids alienating a part of your potential costumers because of political believe. And the casters? What did they do other than being somewhere remotely close to the situation at hand? Make no mistake. This wasn't just Blizzard following their own rules for the sake of political free entertainment. This was them sending a statement to anyone who might be pro Hong Kong. Do you honestly think the player or casters would have been punished remotely similarly if someone had been on stream with an "Impeach Trump" sign? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:30 Excludos wrote: And the casters? What did they do other than being somewhere remotely close to the situation at hand? They hide, didn't try to step in nor they said nothing against this? I believe for this. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8208 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:31 deacon.frost wrote: They hide, didn't try to step in nor they said nothing against this? I believe for this. They ducked down and then cut to commercials. Yes, what absolute savages. Definitively deserved to get fired.. | ||
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AlexZhang1012
63 Posts
On October 09 2019 17:24 GoloSC2 wrote: The "fact" is also that the police have set an example when it comes to violence and that in almost any large enough group of people there will be people who are prone to violence and that will take the behaviour of the police as justification of their actions. There was barely any note of deescalation by the police (which would be part of their fucking job), instead we get the videos of them pushing people down escalators so now the chinese government and people like you can point to the protesters' violence. I'm assuming by "deescalation" you mean the police should do nothing and allow protestors to set fire on the street and paralyze MTR system. The fucking job of the police is not to pacify violent-prone thugs but to arrest them. If masked men in black were rioting in the USA they would be shot down to the last man. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1091 Posts
And this is a perfect example of why political voices should not interfere with esports. Once the topic starts, it will always offend people and create disputes, robbing the space for rational discussion. So the high road for blizzard would have been: "Sad to announce that Blitzching has violated TOS and will DQ from the next X-Tournamentcycles" But DQ for Life+Holding back prize money + firing the casters for not stopping him... well that is actually political and very opressive. | ||
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