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Blizzard’s Official Statement: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/23185888/regarding-last-weekend-s-hearthstone-grandmasters-tournament Comment by JJR in case Blizzard tries to pull off a ninja edit: https://tl.net/forum/general/551816-blizzard-bans-hs-pro-for-political-statement?page=27#529 | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8232 Posts
On October 15 2019 04:22 xM(Z wrote: "rights" is something one needs to afford to have so yea, it is arrogant to see 'the human rights' as a given in any context/circumstance. Are you perhaps insinuating that China can't afford to provide human rights for its own population? Do you think their concentration camps, censorship and organ harvesting is a cause of the country being too poor not to do it? I don't expect a country to have a high score of human rights at any given time. I expect them to try. This is not arrogant. China isn't breaking human rights because they don't have a choice, they're breaking them because it's convenient. Fucking hell, I never thought I'd see the day when believing in human rights would be considered arrogant. I hope this is a bad joke of some kind. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
Chinas' reasons notwithstanding, "afford" in that context is not strictly related to money; it could also be need related: do the chinese need(for themselves) to have <X> right?. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
On October 15 2019 04:02 Excludos wrote: TIL: Believing in and supporting human rights is now considered arrogant. Anything else you think we westerners should just overlook because we're so arrogant? The environment perhaps? You also fundamentally misunderstand what a human right is. It's not something that is open to interpretation. It's a deceleration agreed upon and signed by the vast majority of the world. un.org is down right now, so you will have to make do with a third party source: https://www.samaritanmag.com/we-have-30-basic-human-rights-do-you-know-them As you can see, having an abortion (or not) is not on that list. Thus it is not considered a human right to be able to have one, or breaking a human right by having one. The example you brought up has, in fact, nothing to do with the subject at hand. Again, I must reiterate: Supporting human rights should be binary, it's very much "for or against". It should not be a "divisive topic", and you don't get to call people fucking arrogant for supporting it. It's not often I say this, but you should listen less to your wife. That's a good 70 year old list of ideals, but I doubt the UN meant for that list of human rights to be considered exhaustive. That's probably just the largest list of human rights that the UN could get unanimous or near unanimous approval for at the time. Catholics, Feminists, Muslims, Atheists, Protestants, Buddhists, etc. would certainly like to add human rights to that list. Ironically the "China" that signed the treaty didn't even control mainland China at the time... The UN didn't even recognize China's government as legitimate until the 1970s... Additionally the People's Republic of China was a popular uprising against the far more brutal and totalitarian Republic of China government. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8232 Posts
On October 15 2019 04:44 Xlancer wrote: That's a good 70 year old list of ideals, but I doubt the UN meant for that list of human rights to be considered exhaustive. That's probably just the largest list of human rights that the UN could get unanimous or near unanimous approval for at the time. Catholics, Feminists, Muslims, Atheists, Protestants, Buddhists, etc. would certainly like to add human rights to that list. Ironically the "China" that signed the treaty didn't even control mainland China at the time... The UN didn't even recognize China's government as legitimate until the 1970s... Additionally the People's Republic of China was a popular uprising against the far more brutal and totalitarian Republic of China government. Sure. I would have liked to add several things to that list as well. Abortion was brought up earlier for instance, and I believe everyone has the right to choose. Unfortunately, this is the list that we could get everyone to agree upon, thus why it's not and should not be a divisive topic. I also believe the US is one of the countries which did not sign it. Or rather, they signed it but didn't ratify it, meaning they don't intend to follow it. Which is..less than ideal. I also think human rights abuses in the US, which there is an abundance of, is not acceptable, and will be enforcing my views equally on any company which supports or defends breaking them. On October 15 2019 04:33 xM(Z wrote: it is not the believe in it, it's the demand of others to adhere to it's letter. Chinas' reasons notwithstanding, "afford" in that context is not strictly related to money; it could also be need related: do the chinese need(for themselves) to have <X> right?. You are digging very deep to defend human rights abuses here. When you start to ask "Do they really need human rights?" you should really take a step back and try to analyse exactly what you're insinuating here. If Sweden just went and murdered their entire Jew population, I don't think you would be asking "Yes, but does the Jews really need human rights? Who are we to judge Sweden for doing this? It's really arrogant to believe Sweden should follow the human rights". What exactly makes it more ok for China to break human rights than Sweden? We've already established that money isn't the limiting factor here, so what is? | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
On October 15 2019 05:11 Excludos wrote: Sure. I would have liked to add several things to that list as well. Abortion was brought up earlier for instance, and I believe everyone has the right to choose. Unfortunately, this is the list that we could get everyone to agree upon, thus why it's not and should not be a divisive topic. I also believe the US is one of the countries which did not sign it. Or rather, they signed it but didn't ratify it, meaning they don't intend to follow it. Which is..less than ideal. I also think human rights abuses in the US, which there is an abundance of, is not acceptable, and will be enforcing my views equally on any company which supports or defends breaking them You try talking to my father-in-law and then tell me it's not a divisive topic... I think the vast majority of Westerners really have no idea what the people of China and other eastern cultures actually think. To most of us it's actually unimaginable to think that anyone wouldn't agree with our definition of human rights. Also abortion is covered under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "3. The right to life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety." I'm not sure how I missed it the first time. For being the supposed governing body of the world, the UN has a truly shitty website... How is it still down??? | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
On October 15 2019 04:24 Excludos wrote: Are you perhaps insinuating that China can't afford to provide human rights for its own population? Do you think their concentration camps, censorship and organ harvesting is a cause of the country being too poor not to do it? I don't expect a country to have a high score of human rights at any given time. I expect them to try. This is not arrogant. China isn't breaking human rights because they don't have a choice, they're breaking them because it's convenient. Fucking hell, I never thought I'd see the day when believing in human rights would be considered arrogant. I hope this is a bad joke of some kind. I cannot stop laughing when I read about your “organ harvest” thing, and you don’t know the reason behind your “concentration camp”, it happens after tens of thousands of people get killed by terrorists actions led by extreme mulism ideas. When it occurs like everyday in China, what would you think the government shall do? Kill them all? Expel them all? Or try to do something to stop their terrorists behaviour, like cutting their communication with the organisation like ISIS, and “educating” them that violence is wrong? Yes, you can say all these are breaking human right, but at least it protects other’s lives. | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
So this is the freedom you western people stand for? And you think you have the freedom of speech to support such behaviour? If you really believe so, then I cannot see supporting racism is intolerable (i’m not supporting, it’s a comparison) Wrong behaviour is wrong, no matter their slogan is or how justice their initial appeal is. The police seems the most restrained one in the world and your western media say that they are abusing their power. I thought in the modern world, people can jump over their media and read more opinions, but seems you guys just believe your media tells you and don’t want to listen anything that oppose to them. “Freedom is right, China has its freedom problem, China is using their money to silence people, Xi is looking for dictatorship which is bad”, yeah we all know that and please don’t repeat again and again. You can feel negative to China, it’s your freedom, but it doesn’t mean that you shall support something wrong to oppose China. The reason you think Blizzards shall not listen to China is you believe hk riots are justified and Chinese people are overreacting. But if you really do lots of research and know the truth, you may think Chinese have their point and it’s blizzard right to stand with China (I am saying it is right, I am just saying it is not wrong). | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17253 Posts
On October 15 2019 06:58 Xlancer wrote: "3. The right to life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety." I'm not sure how I missed it the first time. For being the supposed governing body of the world, the UN has a truly shitty website... How is it still down??? "safety" sounds great in theory. However, there is a such thing as too much safety. In many parts of Canada and the USA kids are so "safe" these days that they are unequipped to deal with real life. This has manifest itself in a a bunch of 20 to 25 year olds who are pretty useless. I'm 32. For me, its a great form of job security having a new generation underneath me that is totally useless. I don't think complete and total safety results in resilient adults able to deal with the vicissitudes of real life. States like Utah have had to institute "free range" parenting laws that permit parents to let their kids fend for themselves. This is because too many "do gooders" are squealing on parents who let their kids do their own thing. One of my clients is the largest nursing organization in Canada. The best young nurses all grew up under tough circumstances. The Canadian born and raised nurses under 30 who grew up in upper middle class bubbles of safety and protection are pretty close to useless. They fold under pressure. They are constantly seeking out grievance at every turn. Fortunately, this organization is quickly learning this lesson and altering their hiring practices accordingly. So ya, safety sounds good. Too much safety is bad. When the going gets tough. The tough .... get going. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On October 15 2019 07:34 CraigWT wrote: The police seems the most restrained one in the world and your western media say that they are abusing their power. I thought in the modern world, people can jump over their media and read more opinions, but seems you guys just believe your media tells you and don’t want to listen anything that oppose to them. That is such a bullshit statement. Shooting tear gas from rooftops, beating people on the train, not letting paramedics help protesters, coordinating with the triad, using weapons indoors that are meant only for outside use. It's not western media saying that are abusing their power, it is the Hong Kong people. It's one of their demands for fucks sake to investigate the police. The vast majority are like this and not vandalizing mainland businesses: ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/elig92flnbs31.jpg) | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
On October 15 2019 09:48 CorsairHero wrote: That is such a bullshit statement. Shooting tear gas from rooftops, beating people on the train, not letting paramedics help protesters, coordinating with the triad, using weapons indoors that are meant only for outside use. It's not western media saying that are abusing their power, it is the Hong Kong people. It's one of their demands for fucks sake to investigate the police. The vast majority are like this and not vandalizing mainland businesses: Again, I am a hk citizen and another arrogant western believe he knows much more than we do. I stated several times in this thread, the peaceful protest just happen at the first month of the 4 months protest. Now it is completely changed. And you blinded people will not click on those videos and see what real situation is. This happened in the early August, since then peaceful protest has gone. Hopefully one day you can do the same thing to your police and see how they respond | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
On October 15 2019 09:48 CorsairHero wrote: That is such a bullshit statement. Shooting tear gas from rooftops, beating people on the train, not letting paramedics help protesters, coordinating with the triad, using weapons indoors that are meant only for outside use. It's not western media saying that are abusing their power, it is the Hong Kong people. It's one of their demands for fucks sake to investigate the police. The vast majority are like this and not vandalizing mainland businesses: Again, you arrogant people always think you are right, and maybe think this old lady is brainwashed, what she said is totally fake, and all the bricks are fake. Keep saying “peaceful demonstration” can only proved you are a brainwashed man. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IuVFJZw.jpg) try again | ||
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zenist
30 Posts
Regardless of violence though, you can't blame HKers for protesting because carrie lam (controlled by the communist party) made stupid move of barring masks. The movement was dying down after completely getting rid of the extradition bill. | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote: tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
On October 15 2019 11:42 zenist wrote: Regarding HK protest, it has been proven that many Chinese police have disguised themselves as protesters to conduct violence. Regardless of violence though, you can't blame HKers for protesting because carrie lam (controlled by the communist party) made stupid move of barring masks. The movement was dying down after completely getting rid of the extradition bill. Again, I em a hker and many of our hkers are blaming these riots. We are not like your outsiders, we live here. Like I said before, it is not the matter that their appeal is right or wrong, it is the matter that they are destroying the city, destroying other people’s life. If you think to pursue a good purpose, we can make use of bad methods, the terrorists may not be always wrong? | ||
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Achamian
82 Posts
On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote: Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. | ||
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CraigWT
97 Posts
On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote: Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do. Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. Yes, because I am not stupid enough to see I know a lot more than you do about Vancouver or Toronto, etc. I am a heavy liquidpedia user before. And I just read tl thread and don’t reply since I am not an native English speaker. I first sign up this account for balance talk since I think the game balance is broken, now it just has another reason, to let people know the truth about hk and let people know how biased and blind a man could be | ||
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meiji_emperor
27 Posts
On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote: Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do. Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. It's pretty disingenuous to post pictures apple daily which has consistently been anti gov and anti mainland in it's reporting. I'm glad cheap biased reporting gets called out. | ||
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