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On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IuVFJZw.jpg) try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media.
Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light.
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On October 15 2019 12:09 meiji_emperor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do.
Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. It's pretty disingenuous to post pictures apple daily which has consistently been anti gov and anti mainland in it's reporting. I'm glad cheap biased reporting gets called out.
Here it is up close where they are waving american flags:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dhqlba/stand_with_hong_kong/
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On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media.
Okay, just for clarify, what Chinese people say about “western media” normally means BBC and CNN and similar medias that strongly oppose to PRC. In fact, many western self media and people filing videos about hk and say something true in the YouTube, but they are not big enough to show their message to the world. You need do research and you will have a clearer and unbiased mind on what’s happening (not just hk issue, for all things), but normally people don’t want to do research and just listen to the big medias.
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On October 15 2019 12:12 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:09 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do.
Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. It's pretty disingenuous to post pictures apple daily which has consistently been anti gov and anti mainland in it's reporting. I'm glad cheap biased reporting gets called out. Here it is up close where they are waving american flags: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dhqlba/stand_with_hong_kong/
Instead of linking to some internet rage machine posts, here is a nuanced critique of the protests and China
www.reddit.com
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On October 15 2019 12:10 meiji_emperor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light.
Us vs Them. Try losing that schtick.
Here’s the great thing about News in general, you can read different papers and sources and make up your own mind.
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On October 15 2019 12:10 meiji_emperor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light.
Do you even realize you're posting in a thread about blizzard bending over for china?
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On October 15 2019 12:18 Achamian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:10 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light. Us vs Them. Try losing that schtick. Here’s the great thing about News in general, you can read different papers and sources and make up your own mind.
Indeed, sources like:
https://www.wsws.org
https://blackagendareport.com
https://www.counterpunch.org
Are generally much better than typical western media, more trustworthy than NYT/WSJ and especially the rag known as wapo.
On October 15 2019 12:21 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:10 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light. Do you even realize you're posting in a thread about blizzard bending over for china?
Of course, we can get back on topic if that suits everyone here. Blizzard is definitely wrong for what it did, any private corporations should have no business getting involved in politics. Politics is the domain of human beings which corporations are not.
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On October 15 2019 12:12 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:09 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do.
Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. It's pretty disingenuous to post pictures apple daily which has consistently been anti gov and anti mainland in it's reporting. I'm glad cheap biased reporting gets called out. Here it is up close where they are waving american flags: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dhqlba/stand_with_hong_kong/
It’s just a corner of the protest and what I post here is a day summary, Every protest have their peaceful area, and you cannot let this area to represent the entire protest.
Of course you can also claim that the violent part cannot represent the entire protest, like SCMP’s video, even on a most violent day, still some peaceful protests stand there and stand for their appeals. But the thing is the damage caused by the riots is huge, is unacceptable for our normal citizens.
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On October 15 2019 12:21 meiji_emperor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:18 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 12:10 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light. Us vs Them. Try losing that schtick. Here’s the great thing about News in general, you can read different papers and sources and make up your own mind. Indeed, sources like: https://www.wsws.orghttps://blackagendareport.comhttps://www.counterpunch.orgAre generally much better than typical western media.
You didn’t lose the schtick, try again. Try saying “these three sites are usually more trustworthy than your typical WSJ/NYT.”
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On October 15 2019 12:24 CraigWT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:12 CorsairHero wrote:On October 15 2019 12:09 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do.
Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. It's pretty disingenuous to post pictures apple daily which has consistently been anti gov and anti mainland in it's reporting. I'm glad cheap biased reporting gets called out. Here it is up close where they are waving american flags: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dhqlba/stand_with_hong_kong/ It’s just a corner of the protest and what I post here is a day summary, Every protest have their peaceful area, and you cannot let this area to represent the entire protest. Of course you can also claim that the violent part cannot represent the entire protest, like SCMP’s video, even on a most violent day, still some peaceful protests stand there and stand for their appeals. But the thing is the damage caused by the riots is huge, is unacceptable for our normal citizens.
I disagree with condemning the protests for violence (what ever that means). Violence is the only way to get the message across, if protesters do not make life hard for society their words will be ignored. Look at an actual honorable and purposeful protests like workers, peasants, and indigenous people of Ecuador. They used peaceful demonstrations but they also attacked government buildings, held politicians, police, military personnel hostage and had sit in strikes in vital economic institutions. They were able to wring concessions out of the government in a matter of days.
I think it's perfectly fine for HK protesters to be "violent". They just are not protesting for a cause I support, nor do they appear to be very effective.
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On October 15 2019 12:18 Achamian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:10 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:03 Achamian wrote:On October 15 2019 11:53 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:32 CorsairHero wrote:tonights protest: try again Hopefully you can find a photo rather than apple daily, the most famous anti-government media in hk. A Canadian living across the world, think he knows much more hk than hk citizens, how smart you are. And all your photos are just long range picture with a moment, you just cannot know what exact happened there. And all of your photo cannot even show a single police, your statement about police is so absurd based on your photo. A hater will hate no matter how, whatever how many videos I post here, you still gonna be a hater, so I won’t keep playing this stupid game with you, but everyone that read the thread will have their judgement. Yeah you sound like someone who is clearly biased. You keep talking about western media as if 100 countries with different newspapers and angles function as one anti China operation. Western media is just media. Western media serves the interest of the ruling class in the west. Which is predominately free market capitalist. Of course they will have an incentive to portray state capitalist China in a bad light. Us vs Them. Try losing that schtick. Here’s the great thing about News in general, you can read different papers and sources and make up your own mind.
As long as you read enough, but know people just rely on one or two medias and get all information from it. Many Chinese people do the same, but for whatever reason (yeah, sad to say it), many of us don’t fully believe in our media and would like to read the opinions the other side, sometimes the other side can help us see a thing in a different angle, and sometimes, they are just telling BS and try to fool their readers
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On October 15 2019 12:30 meiji_emperor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:24 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 12:12 CorsairHero wrote:On October 15 2019 12:09 meiji_emperor wrote:On October 15 2019 12:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Keep pointing out my location because that's all you can do.
Thanks for joining TL after the protests started. It's pretty disingenuous to post pictures apple daily which has consistently been anti gov and anti mainland in it's reporting. I'm glad cheap biased reporting gets called out. Here it is up close where they are waving american flags: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dhqlba/stand_with_hong_kong/ It’s just a corner of the protest and what I post here is a day summary, Every protest have their peaceful area, and you cannot let this area to represent the entire protest. Of course you can also claim that the violent part cannot represent the entire protest, like SCMP’s video, even on a most violent day, still some peaceful protests stand there and stand for their appeals. But the thing is the damage caused by the riots is huge, is unacceptable for our normal citizens. I disagree with condemning the protests for violence (what ever that means). Violence is the only way to get the message across, if protesters do not make life hard for society their words will be ignored. Look at an actual honorable and purposeful protests like workers, peasants, and indigenous people of Ecuador. They used peaceful demonstrations but they also attacked government buildings, held politicians, police, military personnel hostage and had sit in strikes in vital economic institutions. They were able to wring concessions out of the government in a matter of days. I think it's perfectly fine for HK protesters to be "violent". They just are not protesting for a cause I support, nor do they appear to be very effective.
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This guy is literally posting chinese propaganda youtube videos.
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On October 15 2019 13:10 hunts wrote:
This guy is literally posting chinese propaganda youtube videos.
I know there must be someone jump out and say what you said. Tell you a fun fact: SCMP is a hk media and is blocked by mainland China , so claiming SCMP or global news channel are China propaganda videos just make you looks like ignorant. Or you believe PRC government like to block China propaganda media into mainland?
I don’t post any CGTN (mainland Chinese media) or Chinese propaganda media like da gong bao videos here, they are biased either of course.
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On October 15 2019 13:10 hunts wrote:
This guy is literally posting chinese propaganda youtube videos.
Report an move on. There doesn't seem to be a lot of mods in here, so help them out when you can.
These trolls feed on peoples replies, and are best left alone.
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Lebron stupid James and now this?
The amount of hypocrisy the NBA and now Blizzard is spewing out is sad. Thank God I stopped playing Blizzard games.
It's a shame so few will actually rise up and in other regions that they'll be patting themselves on the back for appeasing to China's bullshit. This is what happens when a communist nation gets too big.
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On October 15 2019 12:02 CraigWT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 11:42 zenist wrote:
Regarding HK protest, it has been proven that many Chinese police have disguised themselves as protesters to conduct violence.
Regardless of violence though, you can't blame HKers for protesting because carrie lam (controlled by the communist party) made stupid move of barring masks. The movement was dying down after completely getting rid of the extradition bill.
Again, I em a hker and many of our hkers are blaming these riots. We are not like your outsiders, we live here. Like I said before, it is not the matter that their appeal is right or wrong, it is the matter that they are destroying the city, destroying other people’s life. If you think to pursue a good purpose, we can make use of bad methods, the terrorists may not be always wrong?
Why should anyone believe you that you are just a normal HK citizen? I consider all of these low-post join-at-a-convenient moment pro-China accounts to be paid government operatives until proven otherwise. We have hordes of provably russia-paid "commenters" in all online discussion of Czech media, I see no reason to think this isn't the same story.
It's a shame TL moderators let this run rampant, I guess it's in a misguided attempt to give room to "both sides".
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On October 15 2019 16:51 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 12:02 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 11:42 zenist wrote:
Regarding HK protest, it has been proven that many Chinese police have disguised themselves as protesters to conduct violence.
Regardless of violence though, you can't blame HKers for protesting because carrie lam (controlled by the communist party) made stupid move of barring masks. The movement was dying down after completely getting rid of the extradition bill.
Again, I em a hker and many of our hkers are blaming these riots. We are not like your outsiders, we live here. Like I said before, it is not the matter that their appeal is right or wrong, it is the matter that they are destroying the city, destroying other people’s life. If you think to pursue a good purpose, we can make use of bad methods, the terrorists may not be always wrong? Why should anyone believe you that you are just a normal HK citizen? I consider all of these low-post join-at-a-convenient moment pro-China accounts to be paid government operatives until proven otherwise. We have hordes of provably russia-paid "commenters" in all online discussion of Czech media, I see no reason to think this isn't the same story. It's a shame TL moderators let this run rampant, I guess it's in a misguided attempt to give room to "both sides".
It’s a shame that you think of others with the greatest malice.
You just believe in what you want to hear and deny all the different voice. You may just believe all the videos are fake and the old lady is a actress, and all CNN BS is the truth.
I try to communicate and tell you guys the story from a different angle, but eventually it just proves that you guys are all deaf. I will stop posting on this thread and feel deeply disappointed about you TLers, who just allow one voice here.
You guys are too young to understand the world
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On October 12 2019 21:28 FreakyDroid wrote:
Blizzard has a rule and they enforced it, its as simple as that. Pretty sure they would ban a player saying 'Support China'. They want to have neutral position and that's the right thing to do for a game developing company.
I really really really want someone on blizzard's stream, in a tournament setting or whatever to say "HongKong belongs to China!"
I guarantee you, Blizzard will be fucked.
It is a lose/lose situation, either they show the western world their true colors by not having any reaction to it (or a reaction that is literally 1% of what HKG-minded people get) or they have to fully punish someone supporting China, and we all know how China will react to that.
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On October 15 2019 13:29 CraigWT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 13:10 hunts wrote:
This guy is literally posting chinese propaganda youtube videos. I know there must be someone jump out and say what you said. Tell you a fun fact: SCMP is a hk media and is blocked by mainland China , so claiming SCMP or global news channel are China propaganda videos just make you looks like ignorant. Or you believe PRC government like to block China propaganda media into mainland? I don’t post any CGTN (mainland Chinese media) or Chinese propaganda media like da gong bao videos here, they are biased either of course.
here is another fun fact:
South China Morning Post is owned by Alibaba.
Zach Hines, who served as editor-in-chief of HK Magazine from 2008–2015, wrote of its closure:
"To be a truly independent press, you cannot be beholden to anyone except your readers. But, to my great dismay, this is becoming an increasing impossibility in Hong Kong, in both the mainstream Chinese and much-smaller English media. The SCMP itself is now owned by Alibaba, perhaps the biggest pro-China organization in the world, if you don’t count the Communist Party. The paper’s business interests are also drifting away from Hong Kong, and toward readers in the United States and the rest of the west. HK Magazine is a canary in the coal mine. [...]
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