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On October 16 2019 03:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2019 03:40 KungKras wrote:On October 16 2019 03:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Though I agree that it is impossible to have a reasonable conversation with these people who claim that human rights are just a western concept and shouldn't apply to China, and TL might have a bit of a problem when it comes to people posting misinformation and lies, I wouldn't support banning people who are defending authoritarianism and being against human rights. TL is already doing the same thing with homophobia, racism and sexism though. Adding facism/authoritarianism to that list doesn't strike me as controversial. To quote the old TL commandments: " - Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched. - Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass. - Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members and we sure as hell would like to keep them!" Racism, homophobia and sexism are clear when you see them though. If people defend Trump are they defending authoritarianism or against human rights? I would say so, others would say not. People go mad when it comes to China. I agree it looks from where I'm sitting as though China is worse, but I've never been to China so I'm relying on the word of Western media which I don't trust  You can't really use that as a tl.net rule. More generally I'm shocked at how people haven't noticed the synergy between Trump's trade offensive against China and the Western media's offensive against China, and this sudden thing with Blizzard, South Park etc. and Reddit. Its like they are all working together, when China, although they may have become a bit more aggressive, hasn't really changed at all.
I disagree about the first sentence.
Any one of those three can be really subtle and hard to catch at first, and it has always been up to the mods to decide when a line is crossed.
I think some of the things in this thread are clear examples of when such a line is crossed, and I think any reasonable mod would be able to tell the difference.
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On October 16 2019 03:51 KungKras wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2019 03:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 16 2019 03:40 KungKras wrote:On October 16 2019 03:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Though I agree that it is impossible to have a reasonable conversation with these people who claim that human rights are just a western concept and shouldn't apply to China, and TL might have a bit of a problem when it comes to people posting misinformation and lies, I wouldn't support banning people who are defending authoritarianism and being against human rights. TL is already doing the same thing with homophobia, racism and sexism though. Adding facism/authoritarianism to that list doesn't strike me as controversial. To quote the old TL commandments: " - Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched. - Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass. - Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members and we sure as hell would like to keep them!" Racism, homophobia and sexism are clear when you see them though. If people defend Trump are they defending authoritarianism or against human rights? I would say so, others would say not. People go mad when it comes to China. I agree it looks from where I'm sitting as though China is worse, but I've never been to China so I'm relying on the word of Western media which I don't trust You can't really use that as a tl.net rule. More generally I'm shocked at how people haven't noticed the synergy between Trump's trade offensive against China and the Western media's offensive against China, and this sudden thing with Blizzard, South Park etc. and Reddit. Its like they are all working together, when China, although they may have become a bit more aggressive, hasn't really changed at all. I disagree about the first sentence. Any one of those three can be really subtle and hard to catch at first, and it has always been up to the mods to decide when a line is crossed. I think some of the things in this thread are clear examples of when such a line is crossed, and I think any reasonable mod would be able to tell the difference.
So defending China using Chinese government materials would be breaking the rule but defending Trump using US government materials as sources wouldn't?
How about defending Trump's border policy and the concentration camps he has set up? Plenty of people here have defended that, should they be banned? Its clearly against human rights.
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On October 16 2019 03:54 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2019 03:51 KungKras wrote:On October 16 2019 03:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 16 2019 03:40 KungKras wrote:On October 16 2019 03:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Though I agree that it is impossible to have a reasonable conversation with these people who claim that human rights are just a western concept and shouldn't apply to China, and TL might have a bit of a problem when it comes to people posting misinformation and lies, I wouldn't support banning people who are defending authoritarianism and being against human rights. TL is already doing the same thing with homophobia, racism and sexism though. Adding facism/authoritarianism to that list doesn't strike me as controversial. To quote the old TL commandments: " - Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched. - Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass. - Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members and we sure as hell would like to keep them!" Racism, homophobia and sexism are clear when you see them though. If people defend Trump are they defending authoritarianism or against human rights? I would say so, others would say not. People go mad when it comes to China. I agree it looks from where I'm sitting as though China is worse, but I've never been to China so I'm relying on the word of Western media which I don't trust You can't really use that as a tl.net rule. More generally I'm shocked at how people haven't noticed the synergy between Trump's trade offensive against China and the Western media's offensive against China, and this sudden thing with Blizzard, South Park etc. and Reddit. Its like they are all working together, when China, although they may have become a bit more aggressive, hasn't really changed at all. I disagree about the first sentence. Any one of those three can be really subtle and hard to catch at first, and it has always been up to the mods to decide when a line is crossed. I think some of the things in this thread are clear examples of when such a line is crossed, and I think any reasonable mod would be able to tell the difference. So defending China using Chinese government materials would be breaking the rule but defending Trump using US government materials as sources wouldn't?
Depends on what is being defended.
Defending an anti-human-rights-crackdown in HK? Pretty clear cut crossing the line.
Denying the tianmen square massacre? Pretty clear cut crossing the line.
Defending the genocide of the Uyghur people? Pretty clear cut crossing the line.
Saying that Trump's tax cuts are good (why anyone would do that is beyond me but whatever)? Probably not crossing a line.
EDIT: Yeah, defending the concentration camps at the southern border would be crossing a line.
Don't shift the conversation away from China too much though, because then you'll do the propagandists' work for them,
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On October 15 2019 17:42 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2019 13:29 CraigWT wrote:On October 15 2019 13:10 hunts wrote:
This guy is literally posting chinese propaganda youtube videos. I know there must be someone jump out and say what you said. Tell you a fun fact: SCMP is a hk media and is blocked by mainland China , so claiming SCMP or global news channel are China propaganda videos just make you looks like ignorant. Or you believe PRC government like to block China propaganda media into mainland? I don’t post any CGTN (mainland Chinese media) or Chinese propaganda media like da gong bao videos here, they are biased either of course. here is another fun fact: South China Morning Post is owned by Alibaba. Show nested quote +Zach Hines, who served as editor-in-chief of HK Magazine from 2008–2015, wrote of its closure:
"To be a truly independent press, you cannot be beholden to anyone except your readers. But, to my great dismay, this is becoming an increasing impossibility in Hong Kong, in both the mainstream Chinese and much-smaller English media. The SCMP itself is now owned by Alibaba, perhaps the biggest pro-China organization in the world, if you don’t count the Communist Party. The paper’s business interests are also drifting away from Hong Kong, and toward readers in the United States and the rest of the west. HK Magazine is a canary in the coal mine. [...]
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While SCMP is indeed owned by Alibaba and Jack Ma is in fact a member of the CCP (not necessarily and always pertinent) it's not really a direct CCP mouthpiece nor straight up propaganda. Their pieces have generally been neutral , but with some variance and sometimes with a pro-CCP angle. Opinion pieces that are published by SCMP vary a lot more as you would expect, and can often include misleading information or fabrication. Their general coverage is usually good but with different writers your mileage may vary.
As long as you stick to critical thinking and evaluate the information with a pinch of salt it can definitely be an okay news source. So far, at the very least.
Their website is in fact blocked in China but in this case it actually doesn't speak for or against the notion that it's a government mouthpiece.
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Holy shit this is bigger than I thought it would be.
I’m actually excited for what BlizzCon will offer (not the content).
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Again, you guys just imagine all different voices are fake, and when we oppose to the riots we oppose the freedom, what a absurd conclusion. None of hker will deny the importance to have the right to freedom, but it doesn’t mean we support such riots activities, and believe me, such activity has 0 chance to get their appeal and it’s a very naive move and be taken advantage by the US government.
And to those people who think I am making stories (like restaurants thing) I do hope you guys come to hk and stay here during a weekend, I hope you can easily find a good dining please during the dinner time. All metros and buses are shut down and the employees can’t get to the work, so most of the shopping malls and restaurants are closed very early (some are all day shut down). You can easily do some research and know this fact. But you just use your own logic and declare I’m a paid troll that spamming fake news. I feel sorry to you.
In fact, all you guys can simply go to YouTube and watch some latest videos about hk protest (after September) and you will know the situation. But you guys just don’t do it, and even after you do the research and find out a result you don’t like, I believe you still gonna claim the evil Chinese government has controlled the YouTube.
Besides, some guy claims that I don’t want a real conversation, but in fact it is me who post the protest storyline (of course you don’t believe), it’s me who talks about the current situation (of course you think my words are lies and the videos are lies) and you just keep repeating the same thing that every weekend tens of thousands people walking to the streets and fight (which is the reason of riots) and because this 10-50k rioters you think all hk support them. This is your logic and you deny all other voices. Just be a little bit unbiased to ask yourself, Who is the one that don’t want a real conversation?
The saddest thing about you guys is you just automatically think different voices are lies, and since you guys think I am lying all the time, you begin to put nonstop personal abuse on me. So sad that you guys don’t allow others talk (because we are convicted to be liars and paid trolls) and you think you are fighting for freedom of speech. Like the old lady said in the video (yeah the fake, absurd China propaganda video), “I don’t know you are evil or angel, the world is confusing, sometimes evils are angels, sometimes angels are evils”
I didn’t want to post anything on this thread but all you personal abuses on me lead me to post this last message. You can disagree with me, but just accusing me as a liar and paid troll makes me things this whole communication is meaningless. Now it’s time to fill your day with happiness by insulting me over and over.
One last words, thanks to those guys who still believe I come here to communicate with my sincerity. Thank you
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I havent even watched sc2 since this unfolded I just can't believe they shafted Hong Kong so bad, they need support not to be ignored. Super sad story I'm disappointed with blizzard as a fan of all their products, probably wont buy again. Rip Hong kong, rip freedom
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I'm very saddened by the fact that blizzard bending over and taking it in the rear from china hasn't made their stock drop any more. If I was still invested in them I would've sold out, but unfortunately I got rid of their stock about a year ago.
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On October 16 2019 07:54 hunts wrote:
I'm very saddened by the fact that blizzard bending over and taking it in the rear from china hasn't made their stock drop any more. If I was still invested in them I would've sold out, but unfortunately I got rid of their stock about a year ago. Stock doesn't care about morality.
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On October 16 2019 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2019 07:54 hunts wrote:
I'm very saddened by the fact that blizzard bending over and taking it in the rear from china hasn't made their stock drop any more. If I was still invested in them I would've sold out, but unfortunately I got rid of their stock about a year ago. Stock doesn't care about morality.
I know, but I figured the large amount of people I saw publicly speaking out against blizzard saying they are canceling their wow subs and uninstalling etc... led me to believe that it would negatively reflect on their stock price, but it seems to still be hovering at the same value, which is about $20 below where they were roughly a year ago.
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On October 16 2019 10:22 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2019 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2019 07:54 hunts wrote:
I'm very saddened by the fact that blizzard bending over and taking it in the rear from china hasn't made their stock drop any more. If I was still invested in them I would've sold out, but unfortunately I got rid of their stock about a year ago. Stock doesn't care about morality. I know, but I figured the large amount of people I saw publicly speaking out against blizzard saying they are canceling their wow subs and uninstalling etc... led me to believe that it would negatively reflect on their stock price, but it seems to still be hovering at the same value, which is about $20 below where they were roughly a year ago.
To really put the hurt on Activision execs and stock prices, help the employees there unionize and assert their power over the corporation. Most Blizzard employees don't like censorship and probably don't like many of the business decisions Activision has been making these past few years. They are our allies and we should help them make their voices head. There are numerous ways punish, and more importantly change, a corporation that is not acting in our interest.
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Traders wouldn't know what to make of it yet because no one knows how many people uninstalled / stopped subbing.
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Just want to give context on the gaming industry in China and how it's relevant to Blizzard.
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Blizzard sinking to new lows...
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/SfLZr8s.jpg)
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Oh wow that's really bad actually.
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+ Show Spoiler +All these analysts getting paid 6 figure salaries couldn't foresee what every neckbeard who wanks it to Dva futa porn could?
Love you man !
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On October 16 2019 10:22 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2019 08:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2019 07:54 hunts wrote:
I'm very saddened by the fact that blizzard bending over and taking it in the rear from china hasn't made their stock drop any more. If I was still invested in them I would've sold out, but unfortunately I got rid of their stock about a year ago. Stock doesn't care about morality. I know, but I figured the large amount of people I saw publicly speaking out against blizzard saying they are canceling their wow subs and uninstalling etc... led me to believe that it would negatively reflect on their stock price, but it seems to still be hovering at the same value, which is about $20 below where they were roughly a year ago.
On the other hand Blizzard showed to protect their growth potential into the Chinese mobile market. Investors are addicted to growth.
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On October 16 2019 17:50 Manit0u wrote:Blizzard sinking to new lows...
Others are doing the same - keep politics away, it's just not a milenium ban. I got banned taking politics on EA forums years ago, it's in the rules to not bring the politics so I was to be blamed. (3 day ban IIRC)
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On October 16 2019 18:20 KT_Elwood wrote:+ Show Spoiler +All these analysts getting paid 6 figure salaries couldn't foresee what every neckbeard who wanks it to Dva futa porn could? Love you man !
No that was actually quite hard to foresee because this is a new development. Until very recently supporting popular uprisings in the name of democracy was seen as completely unproblematic - just think about the Arab spring or the protests in Syria. That CCP went bat shit insane over a simple tweet like "stand by hong kong" by some NBA general manager and this type of heavy repression is new territory. It clearly shows that the party is investigating new ways to push censorship outside of the country itself.
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If you call it "go with the flow", it's not new at all. Mainland China is supposed to hate HongKong until complete unification is achieved.
I understood the in a sense of :
How can you not understand, that slamming people speaking out for "FREEEDOM" in America, while "defending Chinas honor !" tends to not be a very good move for US-Based corporations ?
Especially when you getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars BECAUSE you are such an globalist expert on different markets world wide.
Trump got voted because people are actually feel powerless when they have no choice but to buy chinese products, because capitalism has chosen cheap labor options in communist countries.
So by supporting chinese propaganda, you automatically annoy the right-wing cheeto-Jesus supporters AND the left-wing freedom of speech people.
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