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On December 14 2018 16:10 Introvert wrote:
if she hadn't had anything to eat for drink for "several days" it sounds like the father is in deep. didnt she tell her dad that she was thirsty? how does a parent let that happen? I think there's more here than BP incompetence.
Who cares? How can any child (or adult for that matter) can be taken into custody for 8 hours and not be given water? It's water. People need to drink it constantly to live and if they don't drink it they die. I can guarantee that wherever they are, the border control people has easy and plentiful access to water, it's impossible for them not to, because as humans they too will die without water. The only problem is that they don't see others as humans who also need water.
And it took a whole week after she died before this came to light.
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On December 14 2018 16:10 Introvert wrote:
if she hadn't had anything to eat for drink for "several days" it sounds like the father is in deep. didnt she tell her dad that she was thirsty? how does a parent let that happen? I think there's more here than BP incompetence.
She was in US custody and they didn’t even bother to check if she received the basic things humans need to not die. That is a pretty staggering level of indifference. But I get that you need to blame the immigrant and not the completely broken, toxic system that we collectively will be ashamed of in 10 to 20 years.
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Looking like a shutdown is gonna happen, makes me glad the judiciary stows money under the mattress for situations like these 
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Nice. Glad to so see we can't even keep the goverment funded during a lame duck session under Trump.
It also appears that the Super PAC that handled the funding for the inauguration in under investigation for illegal donations from foreign powers. I also don't know why Super PACs are allowed to work on the inauguration. It seems that would be outside of "advocating for a specific political issue". Or maybe I'm wrong? But my bet is that no one is watching this stuff to make sure it is above board.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/trump-inauguration-investigation.html
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On December 14 2018 16:10 Introvert wrote:
if she hadn't had anything to eat for drink for "several days" it sounds like the father is in deep. didnt she tell her dad that she was thirsty? how does a parent let that happen? I think there's more here than BP incompetence.
Multiple parties can be at fault.
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My guess is that they handed themselves since they were well, almost dead. They probably didn't expect a first world country, the richest in the world, (maybe after China?), world police, best democracy in the world, paragon of human rights, to not have officials who would not give life giving water to humans.
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On December 15 2018 00:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
My guess is that they handed themselves since they were well, almost dead. They probably didn't expect a first world country, the richest in the world, (maybe after China?), world police, best democracy in the world, paragon of human rights, to not have officials who would not give life giving water to humans.
I know you're being sarcastic and satirical (and rightfully so), but I still can't help think "Flint, Michigan" and "universal healthcare". The American government doesn't even care about American citizens, so I'm not at all surprised at the indifference to refugees or illegal immigrants.
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I would surrender to literally anyone if I had not had water for several days. I would likely ask for water a bunch of times too. I bet a whole bunch of times over 8 hours.
She and her father were fleeing Guatemala, so they likely have nothing to their name. That country has been gripped with a food and violence crisis for years now, which is why so many people are fleeing to the US. And we couldn’t even give them water.
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well, you gotta be tough on the illegals otherwise they'll just keep coming. or something like that.
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On December 15 2018 02:39 JimmiC wrote:
Do you guys think the next presidential candidate for the Republicans is going to be more like Trump or a more traditional Candidate? The GOP wants to go traditional. But they never wanted Trump either.
The question is what their hardline base will do and I believe Trump still enjoys high favorability numbers among Republicans so I would guess another Trump is not unlikely.
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On December 15 2018 02:39 JimmiC wrote:
Do you guys think the next presidential candidate for the Republicans is going to be more like Trump or a more traditional Candidate?
I think hyper-nationalism, immigrant-skepticism and what I'll call "somewhat-racism" are here to stay. I think it is more so that "traditional" candidates will adopt these positions in a slightly more mainstream way. Tariffs and the entire idea of "the wall" will die out after Trump, though.
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It really depends on if the Democrats hold on to power in the House long term and how that party changes. Change in political parties normally happens when they have to change their tactics to get back into power. The Tea Party/Conservative rise in the GOP was brought on by them getting dumped on in 2006 and 2008, post Bush. You can seem them desperately looking for a “villain” like Obama to recapture that magic. A lot of the GOPs success was due to the Democrats not having a message or plans with clear outcomes. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore, with things like medicare for all and raising wages becoming mainstream issues for the Democrats.
I think the larger problem for the GOP is that they pulled off the respectability politics mask to keep their base happy. I don’t know if they can put it back on after Trump with the wave of new voters and rise in a Democratic party runs in every district.
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On December 15 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:
I think the larger problem for the GOP is that they pulled off the respectability politics mask to keep their base happy. I don’t know if they can put it back on after Trump with the wave of new voters and rise in a Democratic party runs in every district.
I don't know... I think they can. There's already a ton of that happening, just look at people like McCain (before his death) or other 'never Trump'ers and how they're treated. I think people want to believe so hard that both parties are actually made up of well meaning people trying to do what's best and we're all part of a noble civilized nation that they'll really push that idea against all evidence.
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On December 15 2018 03:23 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:
I think the larger problem for the GOP is that they pulled off the respectability politics mask to keep their base happy. I don’t know if they can put it back on after Trump with the wave of new voters and rise in a Democratic party runs in every district. I don't know... I think they can. There's already a ton of that happening, just look at people like McCain (before his death) or other 'never Trump'ers and how they're treated. I think people want to believe so hard that both parties are actually made up of well meaning people trying to do what's best and we're all part of a noble civilized nation that they'll really push that idea against all evidence.
I think you are right, but there are limits. People were happy to gloss over GHW Bush’s racism because he kept it on the DL. But now it is overt and I’m not sure the Republican primaries are going to start putting up politicians that kept their racist bullshit behind closed doors. Especially with how folks like the Mercer’s are fueling the flames.
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I think there may be legs to this inauguration scandal. ProPublica reporting that Trump may have charged above market to use Trumps own property. While the fact he was so blatantly enriching himself should have been enough to get up in arms over, he (and Ivanka in particular who was running the Trump org side at the time) possibly violated tax laws.
That's before we even consider the tens of millions in missing money and likely illegal foreign donations funneled in through dummy accounts.
As Greg Jenkins (Bush's inauguration lead) said back when it happened, "They had a third of the staff and a quarter of the events and they raised at least twice as much as we did. So there's the obvious question: where did it go?" I'd wager everything I own the answer is "into Trumps and his cronies pockets."
I'm just glad officials are finally looking into this. Tho he may be impeached before it ever comes to fruition, it should be looked at.
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Trump could make it to 2020 easily. No amount of investigations, drama or criminal activity is going to change that 18 Republican votes to convict him in the Senate. Or to put it differently, he just need 34 Republican Senators to vote against conviction. The politics of impeachment will need to change a lot between now and 2020.
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They won’t go after Trump until he leaves office. Republicans can’t afford to piss off his base. However they’d love to play both sides while the Democratic DoJ goes to work. Persecution narratives are their best friend.
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Mick Mulvaney is going to be the acting Chief of Staff, head of the Office of Management and Budget and acting head of the Consumer Protection Bureau. It is cool because the Office of Management and Budget reports to the Chief of Staff, so his job is going to be super efficient.
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