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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On December 12 2018 05:41 brian wrote: sorry, browser went crazy and hit post for me. this didn’t deserve its own post but since i’m here now, watching that oval video Schumer has never looked so Brooklyn before. His smug satisfaction when Trump buries the GOP on the shutdown fully helps me understand how he keeps getting elected. i really empathize with him for a moment there. also TIL he is a distant relative of Amy Schumer. Did you learn this from T_D? Because that is where I learned it from. T_D thinks this was a huge win for GEOTUS | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 12 2018 05:05 Plansix wrote: Trump is continuing to bank on immigration as the winning plan for him and the Republicans going forward. Because, in his mind, immigration was the issue that won him the election. But the reality is that it won him the election against a weak candidate with unlimited baggage and an FBI investigation that was dropping bombs right up until the election. And he tried the same thing in 2018 and got dumpstered, because independent voters could not care about the caravan and Democrats are spoiling for a fight. So I’m gunna say that banking on immigration being a wedge issue that wins Republicans elections going forward, not so much. But it is sort of all they have left. Immigration wouldn't have been enough to put him over if it wasn't for all the uneducated dipshits thinking "We need something new and transformative! Ecks deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!" Immigration is not going to cut it in 2020. They are going to need another big, polarizing issue. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On December 12 2018 06:02 JimmiC wrote: I read it as he thinks it was a huge win for Schumer. It was a big win for Schumer. The donald thinks its a huge win for Trump. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 12 2018 06:16 IyMoon wrote: It was a big win for Schumer. The donald thinks its a huge win for Trump. To be fair, Trump could shit his pants at a meeting with dems and it would be a win for T_D because dems had to smell it. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On December 12 2018 05:53 IyMoon wrote: Did you learn this from T_D? Because that is where I learned it from. T_D thinks this was a huge win for GEOTUS i learned the Amy thing from wikipedia, but i don’t think it’s a win for anyone. i do think, as usual, Trump comes out looking worse. but a shutdown is a lose-lose, especially before christmas. like super especially. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Like what the fuck is he going to do if the economy tanks in the next 2 years? | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On December 12 2018 07:31 Plansix wrote: It impresses me that Trump decided to preview the next two years by picking a fight on TV while Democrats offered him a deal and then proceeded to get schooled. The Democrats didn’t even need to do anything except bring a few sick burns. Like what the fuck is he going to do if the economy tanks in the next 2 years? Blame the democratic control of the house. EZPZ | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On December 12 2018 05:43 Plansix wrote: The full version really highlights how Trump talks to Pelosi and how he talks to Schumer. There is this palpable, naked contempt in everything he says to her. the thing is, pelosi is the one trump should really be afraid of. the bit where trump tries to mansplain how congress works to her, lmao | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
They need to make him stumble over his words and look fluttered and insecure. Now they made him angry and aggressive and that's a good look for a Trumpist. They see him putting Pelosi in her place. They schooled him on subject matter and easily guiding him into taking personal blame for government shutdown, but subject matter really doesn't matter ever since he had the largest inauguration croud in history. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 12 2018 08:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is this video really a win when the other side claims a big win just as easily? It's a perfect example of the very hard to bridge gap in worldview between the sides in the US right now, both watch the same thing and reach a totally different conclusion. They need to make him stumble over his words and look fluttered and insecure. Now they made him angry and aggressive and that's a good look for a Trumpist. They see him putting Pelosi in her place. They schooled him on subject matter and easily guiding him into taking personal blame for government shutdown, but subject matter really doesn't matter ever since he had the largest inauguration croud in history. Well I think there are a few different groups and it is important to recognize that T_D is not the modern right. It is a part of the right that we have seen perform inadequately in 2018. Romney republicans for SURE do not see the exchange as a good thing for Trump. But Romney republicans are not Trump republicans. And there are a lot of people who support Trump without wearing MAGA hats. People who felt forced to vote for Trump because of the supreme court are likely not celebrating this exchange. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2018 08:03 ticklishmusic wrote: the thing is, pelosi is the one trump should really be afraid of. the bit where trump tries to mansplain how congress works to her, lmao She was like one second away from telling him “I’m not in the senate.” And I loved how she called his bluff and told him to have a bill with the wall passed in the House. Because they don’t even have Republicans votes for that. The Republican defense is forming. It appears to be that Chuck is good at his job and had a good plan. Apparently being good at politics is an unfair advantage, which is right in like with the GOPs theory that having everyone vote is unfair. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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EDIT: for example, sure Donald said he would be proud to shut the government down, but why not just pretend he didn't and blame the Democrats anyways? Senate R's are already doing this. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 12 2018 10:33 Plansix wrote: She was like one second away from telling him “I’m not in the senate.” And I loved how she called his bluff and told him to have a bill with the wall passed in the House. Because they don’t even have Republicans votes for that. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1072560127935434756 The Republican defense is forming. It appears to be that Chuck is good at his job and had a good plan. Apparently being good at politics is an unfair advantage, which is right in like with the GOPs theory that having everyone vote is unfair. "You only won because you were better, so it doesn't count" | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 12 2018 03:00 Plansix wrote: I've never seen someone play themselves this badly until now. And he is going to leave that meeting thinking "Gottem!" I dunno. The Tea Party shutdown which led to Bill O'Reilly openly telling one of their reps on live Fox TV 'But you can't win, you must know that' was pretty bad. On December 12 2018 08:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is this video really a win when the other side claims a big win just as easily? It's a perfect example of the very hard to bridge gap in worldview between the sides in the US right now, both watch the same thing and reach a totally different conclusion. They need to make him stumble over his words and look fluttered and insecure. Now they made him angry and aggressive and that's a good look for a Trumpist. They see him putting Pelosi in her place. They schooled him on subject matter and easily guiding him into taking personal blame for government shutdown, but subject matter really doesn't matter ever since he had the largest inauguration croud in history. The general history of government shutdowns is that the public tend to know who's responsible and get pissed off about it. I think the Republicans lost the last two badly (as noted above). I can't remember what the one prior to that was about. Generally, government shutdowns are a bad thing to do because it's a palpable thing that someone is responsible for. However you slice it, Trump literally just said he'd do it. Not easy to convince a moderate Republican or independent voter that the guy who literally claimed he'd do it didn't do it when he then goes and does it. Also, the leftover bad feelings from shutdowns tend to linger, and damages people's faith in the ability of the party who did it to govern. So both sides can say the words, but in the instance of a shutdown only one side can be right. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 13 2018 00:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: It also comes down to how long the shutdown lasts. I was working at the IRS as a seasonal temp last time it happened it was for a night. I didn't mind it but there were people upset about losing the hours and money. If it goes on for an extended period, you'll get an large workforce pretty pissed off about it. I honestly don't think there will be a shutdown. After Trump said he'd be proud of a shutdown, it is lights out for any shutdown. A shutdown is only remotely viable for the controlling party if there is at least some ambiguity regarding who is being unreasonable. Trump saying he'd be "proud" of it creates a situation where blame is difficult to distribute. As much as people like to talk about Trump's base, we have already seen what happens when the other part of the party doesn't feel like voting. Republican leadership knows they are walking a fine line and that tribalism may prevent people from voting for the OTHER party, but it isn't strong enough to make people vote for someone they don't like. | ||
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