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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22085 Posts
December 10 2018 14:46 GMT
#19601
On December 10 2018 23:34 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the issue with the chief of staff position is the fact that people don't know what it will entail. What if Trump tries to get his chief of staff to lie to Mueller over something? What if Trump blackmails him? Probably smart to just stay away from the whole position. And people probably hear about how unpleasant Kelly's life was.
A new chief of staff probably wont be questioned by Mueller because he is investigation something that happened long before the new appointment. And even if it happens the answer is obvious. You don't lie.

But yeah I don't think anyone wants to play children's daycare for the President when your 110% likely to get fired for trying to do your job and you'll be stuck with it on your resume for the rest of your career.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 10 2018 14:47 GMT
#19602
On December 10 2018 23:34 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the issue with the chief of staff position is the fact that people don't know what it will entail. What if Trump tries to get his chief of staff to lie to Mueller over something? What if Trump blackmails him? Probably smart to just stay away from the whole position. And people probably hear about how unpleasant Kelly's life was.


I wonder if also seeing what's happening to some of the other people that worked for trump, like flynn, manafort, cohen, etc... makes people not want to work for him now?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 10 2018 14:49 GMT
#19603
On December 10 2018 23:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2018 23:34 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the issue with the chief of staff position is the fact that people don't know what it will entail. What if Trump tries to get his chief of staff to lie to Mueller over something? What if Trump blackmails him? Probably smart to just stay away from the whole position. And people probably hear about how unpleasant Kelly's life was.
A new chief of staff probably wont be questioned by Mueller because he is investigation something that happened long before the new appointment. And even if it happens the answer is obvious. You don't lie.

But yeah I don't think anyone wants to play children's daycare for the President when your 110% likely to get fired for trying to do your job and you'll be stuck with it on your resume for the rest of your career.


The new chief of staff will become aware of any criminal activity Trump or his people are involved with if they try to cover up or end the investigation. And Executive privilege only extends to being forced to testify about work on behalf of the executive branch. It doesn’t provide protection from criminal liability.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 10 2018 15:18 GMT
#19604
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
December 10 2018 16:34 GMT
#19605
On December 10 2018 23:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2018 23:34 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the issue with the chief of staff position is the fact that people don't know what it will entail. What if Trump tries to get his chief of staff to lie to Mueller over something? What if Trump blackmails him? Probably smart to just stay away from the whole position. And people probably hear about how unpleasant Kelly's life was.
A new chief of staff probably wont be questioned by Mueller because he is investigation something that happened long before the new appointment. And even if it happens the answer is obvious. You don't lie.

But yeah I don't think anyone wants to play children's daycare for the President when your 110% likely to get fired for trying to do your job and you'll be stuck with it on your resume for the rest of your career.



I think it is very likely that a chief of staff would end up exposed to mitigation strategy, talking points, who said what...stuff like that. I think it would exceedingly difficult for an incoming chief of staff to remain 100% removed from the Mueller probe.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-10 17:44:28
December 10 2018 17:38 GMT
#19606
In other news: Congress and the states continue to be asleep at the switch when it comes to healthcare issue. There is justifiable reason why insulin prices have gone up to $300 a vial since 2003. It is so painfully obvious that the drug providers have been slow rolling these increases for 15 years to see when congress would respond and it never happened. It god damn insulin.

'We're Fighting For Our Lives' — Patients Protest Sky-High Insulin Prices

...The cost of insulin nearly tripled between 2002 and 2013 and has doubled again since then. The list price is over $300 for a single vial of medicine, and most people with Type 1 diabetes need multiple vials every month to live. That cost is typically lower with insurance or with discount programs. Still, for some people the price is unmanageable.

There's been some action by lawmakers on the issue. In October Minnesota's attorney general sued insulin manufacturers alleging price gouging, and a bipartisan caucus in the U.S. Congress issued a report in November urging action to bring insulin prices down....


Reading about stuff like this makes me so god damn angry Trump exists, soaking up some much of the nations attention with low grade criminal bullshit. It leave no room to be outraged at the far more nefarious criminals fleecing America.

Also:

After a year of reporting, the Department of Education is going to fix its busted Teaching grant system and restore grants to teachers who's grants were turned into loans. As someone who wrote a few emails and letters to my senators and state rep, this is great news.

Exclusive: Ed Department To Erase Debts Of Teachers, Fix Troubled Grant Program

This one is worth listening to, because some of the people find out their student debt will be erased for the first time while taking to the reporter. And all it took was NPR having two reporters on the story for an entire year to fix a problem that never should have existed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22085 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-10 17:52:23
December 10 2018 17:51 GMT
#19607
On December 11 2018 02:38 Plansix wrote:
In other news: Congress and the states continue to be asleep at the switch when it comes to healthcare issue. There is justifiable reason why insulin prices have gone up to $300 a vial since 2003. It is so painfully obvious that the drug providers have been slow rolling these increases for 15 years to see when congress would respond and it never happened. It god damn insulin.

'We're Fighting For Our Lives' — Patients Protest Sky-High Insulin Prices

Show nested quote +
...The cost of insulin nearly tripled between 2002 and 2013 and has doubled again since then. The list price is over $300 for a single vial of medicine, and most people with Type 1 diabetes need multiple vials every month to live. That cost is typically lower with insurance or with discount programs. Still, for some people the price is unmanageable.

There's been some action by lawmakers on the issue. In October Minnesota's attorney general sued insulin manufacturers alleging price gouging, and a bipartisan caucus in the U.S. Congress issued a report in November urging action to bring insulin prices down....


Reading about stuff like this makes me so god damn angry Trump exists, soaking up some much of the nations attention with low grade criminal bullshit. It leave no room to be outraged at the far more nefarious criminals fleecing America.

Also:

After a year of reporting, the Department of Education is going to fix its busted Teaching grant system and restore grants to teachers who's grants were turned into loans. As someone who wrote a few emails and letters to my senators and state rep, this is great news.

Exclusive: Ed Department To Erase Debts Of Teachers, Fix Troubled Grant Program

This one is worth listening to, because some of the people find out their student debt will be erased for the first time while taking to the reporter. And all it took was NPR having two reporters on the story for an entire year to fix a problem that never should have existed.
Long live the free market is all I can say to that.
meanwhile over in socialist Europe we're paying 20 euro's for a vial (10 ml) (or pretty much 0 because its covered by health insurance).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10846 Posts
December 10 2018 18:05 GMT
#19608
Thats because we are leeching of US prices.

Yes, that was irony.

Its really kinda ironic, the guys that like to call everyone sheeple (us altright/cons) look at france and say its because of socialism (wat?) while the stuff the US goverment is allowing would lead the french to bring back de guillotine yesterday...
I say this as someone who has not much symphaty with the french protesters or its goverment.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 10 2018 18:17 GMT
#19609
The problem with teh US is that the areas that are so mismanaged are also the ones with really low populations. I just checked with a co-worker about insulin prices and she said that they are never that high for her. But we like in MA, which has some of the most aggressive consumer protection laws in the US and an AG with a hair trigger.

What I am saying is this: If Washington DC was an afternoon drive away for most Americans, we would be protesting like angry French people all the time. People from Kentucky would love to light some lobbyists cars on fire, but they would need to take like 3 days off from work and get a hotel.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-10 23:36:08
December 10 2018 23:34 GMT
#19610
Healthcare should not be left to the private sector,at least not to the extend as its done in the usa. Its the worst product for that,and for the private sector it is the best product to monetize. People have no choice when it comes to their health. They can not say:no your product is overpriced I wont buy it. When it comes to their health people will pay anything in the end and the industry knows this.
There isn't competition either. Everything is patented and people have no option but to buy from the one supplier there is.
That's why americans pay (far) more for healthcare then any other nation.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
December 11 2018 01:24 GMT
#19611
I wonder how much Martin Shkreli worked to increase people's appreciation of - and rage at - what utter dickbags these people are? That guy with his utterly irredeemable smugness made himself an avatar of Capitalist greed at the expense of citizens' health.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-11 14:07:50
December 11 2018 14:00 GMT
#19612
My hometown of Toledo, OH is back in the news, this time because two local individuals were caught before executing two separate terrorist plots, the first a plot to shoot up a synagogue and the other a plot to bomb a crowded bar. They were arraigned in the courthouse I work in
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2018 14:07 GMT
#19613
On what part of youtube and 4chan were they radicalized?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
December 11 2018 14:10 GMT
#19614
The pipe bomber frequented the same internet places as Dylan Roof apparently, and they were in contact with one another before he shot up the South Carolina Church. It’s also noteworthy that the pipebomber is a woman.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2018 14:16 GMT
#19615
At least these two were caught. The one blessing of domestic terrorists in the US is they are generally very stupid.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 11 2018 14:35 GMT
#19616
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
December 11 2018 15:38 GMT
#19617
On December 11 2018 23:35 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2018 23:00 farvacola wrote:
My hometown of Toledo, OH is back in the news, this time because two local individuals were caught before executing two separate terrorist plots, the first a plot to shoot up a synagogue and the other a plot to bomb a crowded bar. They were arraigned in the courthouse I work in


Thank god they were caught. As much grief as the police (often deservedly) gets it always a great story when they are able to stop shit before it happens!

I'd wager it was the Feds and not the local PD that intercepted them before the attacks. I doubt Toledo has the resources to monitor POIs effectively. If they do, however, then I stand corrected.

In other news, looks like hemp is about to make an economic boost soon.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
December 11 2018 15:43 GMT
#19618
It was mostly the feds, specifically the FBI, but it was through the regional joint terrorism task force, so local authorities probably played at least a bit part.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-11 17:36:46
December 11 2018 17:29 GMT
#19619
Ok, we are getting a live back and forth in the Oval office over wall funding. It is as dumb as you might think.



Edit: Nancy gives zero fucks. Damn.

And Trump is going to shut down the goverment if he doesn't get the wall. Republicans don't have the votes in the House and the Democrats won't vote for wall funding. The man literally said "If we don't get what we want...I'll shut the goverment down." I'm sure he will cave and declare victory in like a week.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
December 11 2018 17:36 GMT
#19620
On December 12 2018 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Ok, we are getting a live back and forth in the Oval office over wall funding. It is as dumb as you might think.

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1072541608493629440

Edit: Nancy gives zero fucks. Damn.


I don't really understand what is meant by either of those things, but it appears juicy.
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