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Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less.
Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015.
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me.
Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215
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The left have arrived in DC and found that the strongest opposition to Pelosi is from moderate, white male Democrats how have the most centrist of positions. That Pelosi is the left the House, but the chamber has been pulled right by very centrists democrats from middle America. And now they are faced with the choice: Attack the establishment and elect a centrist from middle America or back Pelosi and deal with the fall out.
I don’t know anything about Fudge, but maybe that is the point.
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On November 21 2018 04:19 Plansix wrote:
All words describing the political spectrum are becoming increasingly meaningless.
Your pundits use the wrong words to describe things constantly. People repeat their garbage as if it's real.
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On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015. Show nested quote +
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215
I also enjoyed the story about how Pelosi sat Fudge down and explained the work that went into Speaker and how Fudge appeared completely surprised that banging the gavel was just a tiny fraction of the job.
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On November 21 2018 06:59 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015.
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215 I also enjoyed the story about how Pelosi sat Fudge down and explained the work that went into Speaker and how Fudge appeared completely surprised that banging the gavel was just a tiny fraction of the job.
Anyone else think this is a ploy to make sure Pelosi is the least worst option?
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On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015. Show nested quote +
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215
Does anyone actually want to be speaker? Any leftist policy doesn't make it through the senate, assuming it even makes it through the house.
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On November 21 2018 07:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015.
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215 Does anyone actually want to be speaker? Any leftist policy doesn't make it through the senate, assuming it even makes it through the house. Its a lot of wrangling of factions within the House, and while I don't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as with the GOP its still a lot of work.
But the fact that the Senate will shut everything down isn't an issue for the job of being Speaker of the House.
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On November 21 2018 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 07:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015.
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215 Does anyone actually want to be speaker? Any leftist policy doesn't make it through the senate, assuming it even makes it through the house. Its a lot of wrangling of factions within the House, and while I don't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as with the GOP its still a lot of work. But the fact that the Senate will shut everything down isn't an issue for the job of being Speaker of the House.
Does it not matter if ten years from now you're running for senate or the predencency and your opponent can point out that you were useless as the speaker of the house and passed no meaningful legislation? That you were in charge when the government was shut down and technically in charge as speaker since all funding starts in the house?
Do you see any legacy for this speaker other than failure? I don't, but I have been called a pessimist.
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On November 21 2018 07:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015.
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215 Does anyone actually want to be speaker? Any leftist policy doesn't make it through the senate, assuming it even makes it through the house.
Republican leadership was able to galvanize a significant number of under-educated voters by voting to repeal obamacare 100 times. Showmanship is important in politics.
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I mean, if you reduce the role down into only its negatives, of course it seems like a bad gig. But if you view "in charge when the government was shut down and technically in charge as speaker since all funding starts in the house" in the proper context of how adversarial three branch two party government politics can look a lot like playing not to lose, particularly against the backdrop of Trump-led Republican control, it can easily look worthwhile depending on a politician's viewpoint and policy goals. It'd be easy to respond to "you were useless as Speaker and passed no meaningful legislation" with "and you were sitting on the sidelines or still in school while I did my best to limit the fallout from having President Trump, a Republican Senate, and an increasingly conservative judiciary do what they could to give effect to their regressive policies."
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On November 21 2018 07:52 farvacola wrote:
I mean, if you reduce the role down into only its negatives, of course it seems like a bad gig. But if you view "in charge when the government was shut down and technically in charge as speaker since all funding starts in the house" in the proper context of how adversarial three branch two party government politics can look a lot like playing not to lose, particularly against the backdrop of Trump-led Republican control, it can easily look worthwhile depending on a politician's viewpoint and policy goals. It'd be easy to respond to "you were useless as Speaker and passed no meaningful legislation" with "and you were sitting on the sidelines or still in school while I did my best to limit the fallout from having President Trump, a Republican Senate, and an increasingly conservative judiciary do what they could to give effect to their regressive policies."
The Newt Gingrich also changed the role of the Speaker of the House to a much more combative, party centered part of goverment. He spent the vast majority of his time as Speaker breaking up the bipartisan factions that existed and drove what bills moved through the House. And by destroying those smaller factions, the political parties filled power void, which the Speaker at the head of the majority. So the Speaker's role changed from being the person who pushed the factions bring bills to the floor to send to the Senate and made our goverment suck real bad.
For those who are interested:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/
On November 21 2018 07:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On November 21 2018 07:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On November 21 2018 06:15 Mohdoo wrote:Different topic: I may not like the idea of speaker Pelosi, but I like the idea of speaker Fudge a lot less. Fudge sticking her neck out for Lance Mason was hilariously stupid in 2015.
In the 2014 case of domestic violence, Mason repeatedly punched Fraser in the head and slammed her face against a car dashboard, an attack that occurred in front of the couple’s two young children, according to news reports. Fraser was severely injured and required facial reconstructive surgery.
At the time, Fudge wrote a letter to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office on Mason’s behalf, Dan DeRoos, a local Cleveland reporter, noted in a Twitter post on Tuesday. Fudge served as director of that office before being elected to Congress in 2008.
The lack of tact displayed by this move...where do I even begin? The idea that she would ever stick up for a man who assaulted a woman is mind boggling. What an idiot. She would likely mismanage the speaker position and would apparently not exactly be free of corruption. She gets a firm "no" from me. Where is the galvanized left? Is there really no one who thinks they could do a better job than Pelosi? I honestly expected there to be some junior congressman who would say something like "I will put forth legislation for single payer every single month" or some shit like that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215 Does anyone actually want to be speaker? Any leftist policy doesn't make it through the senate, assuming it even makes it through the house. Its a lot of wrangling of factions within the House, and while I don't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as with the GOP its still a lot of work. But the fact that the Senate will shut everything down isn't an issue for the job of being Speaker of the House. Does it not matter if ten years from now you're running for senate or the predencency and your opponent can point out that you were useless as the speaker of the house and passed no meaningful legislation? That you were in charge when the government was shut down and technically in charge as speaker since all funding starts in the house? Do you see any legacy for this speaker other than failure? I don't, but I have been called a pessimist.
The House controls the budget. No budget can start without the House and they pick what is or is not in there to begin with. The Speaker isn't very good at fighting a President, no matter what Ryan and Newt claimed, but it is good reminding senators who lets thing bring home money for their state.
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On November 21 2018 01:28 JimmiC wrote:
I get the reactions, but lets not pretend that all Trump supporters are low IQ people that don't care about things. There are a decent amount of educated intelligent Trump supporters. Enough of them to make a difference in many of these close races if the dems court them based on this sort of hypocrisy instead of of insulting them.
The high IQ Trump supporters always knew the email thing against Hillary was bullocks and probably never cared about any of that in the first place, or were cynical enough to know it was just an opportunistic way to manipulate dumber people into thinking she was definitly a criminal.
Problem solved.
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On November 21 2018 17:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 01:28 JimmiC wrote:
I get the reactions, but lets not pretend that all Trump supporters are low IQ people that don't care about things. There are a decent amount of educated intelligent Trump supporters. Enough of them to make a difference in many of these close races if the dems court them based on this sort of hypocrisy instead of of insulting them. The high IQ Trump supporters always knew the email thing against Hillary was bullocks and probably never cared about any of that in the first place, or were cynical enough to know it was just an opportunistic way to manipulate dumber people into thinking she was definitly a criminal. Problem solved.
Going by evidence on this site, this isn't the case. Several high IQ Trump supporters here fully believe Clinton should be investigated and incarcerated.
As for the OP (re; being nice to smart Trump voters): FUCK EM.
If you have a high IQ and voted for Trump you've got no excuse. The Dems shouldn't have to go to those people hat in hand. They should be smart enough to know what they voted for and either not vote or vote something other than Trump. If they're not, they can keep their vote. It is inconceivable that a high IQ Trump voter doesn't already know that he's a collossal hypocrite. He demonstrated it throughout his entire election campaign. They either don't care or decided it didn't matter. As for now, they can do the right thing or not. The party of 'fuck your fee-fees' don't get to complain about the Dems being mean to them for voting in the orange one.
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On November 21 2018 04:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 04:48 m4ini wrote:
Just out of interest, what do people here think would've been the "appropriate" reaction? Both parties call for investigations into why the problem persist after being was such a huge factors in the 2016 election. And an investigation into where these government emails went, if anything of value was on said emails and if any laws were broken. After the Benghazi and email investigations there was supposed to be some report produced by congress and changes in policy. As far as I know, that never happened and nothing changed. So lets take another swing at addressing this pervasive problem with government officials using personal email for their job.
Should've clarified, i was talking about the Khashoggi situation.
The email situation is just funny (in a retarded way), and seeing trumpets scramble after Ivanka got caught doing the same crap as Hillary ("but not asd bad thogh!") is absolutely worth it.
Even if only to see how extraordinarily dumb these people are, calling something that Ivanka admitted to still "fake news" because, well, she.. said, she didn't, uhm, use it for classified mails, or something?
Starting to wonder if they'd screech "lock em up" now. Someone should suggest that.
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On November 21 2018 07:52 farvacola wrote:
I mean, if you reduce the role down into only its negatives, of course it seems like a bad gig. But if you view "in charge when the government was shut down and technically in charge as speaker since all funding starts in the house" in the proper context of how adversarial three branch two party government politics can look a lot like playing not to lose, particularly against the backdrop of Trump-led Republican control, it can easily look worthwhile depending on a politician's viewpoint and policy goals. It'd be easy to respond to "you were useless as Speaker and passed no meaningful legislation" with "and you were sitting on the sidelines or still in school while I did my best to limit the fallout from having President Trump, a Republican Senate, and an increasingly conservative judiciary do what they could to give effect to their regressive policies."
So what positive outcomes do you see from this house besides "prevented the Republican regressive policies that they barely/never passed while they held all three branches?"
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That take understates the effect of the Republican-passed tax legislation and I think any effort to stop stuff like that counts as a victory. The same can be said for drawing a hard line on saying no to any cuts to the safety net, federal worker pay, and other areas where Republicans like to cause havoc instead of addressing all of the unaccounted for money flowing through the defense budget. Dems have a nasty habit of giving DoD a pass too, but hopefully that changes soon given the recently failed audit.
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On November 21 2018 22:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 07:52 farvacola wrote:
I mean, if you reduce the role down into only its negatives, of course it seems like a bad gig. But if you view "in charge when the government was shut down and technically in charge as speaker since all funding starts in the house" in the proper context of how adversarial three branch two party government politics can look a lot like playing not to lose, particularly against the backdrop of Trump-led Republican control, it can easily look worthwhile depending on a politician's viewpoint and policy goals. It'd be easy to respond to "you were useless as Speaker and passed no meaningful legislation" with "and you were sitting on the sidelines or still in school while I did my best to limit the fallout from having President Trump, a Republican Senate, and an increasingly conservative judiciary do what they could to give effect to their regressive policies." So what positive outcomes do you see from this house besides "prevented the Republican regressive policies that they barely/never passed while they held all three branches?" None. That is what happens when you have a hostile 2 party system.
The only way anything is getting done in the current US political climate is by controlling all 3 sections (House, Senate, President). Lacking any of the 3 means whatever you do gets shutdown simply on the principle of 'us vs them'.
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On November 21 2018 23:14 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 18:31 iamthedave wrote:On November 21 2018 17:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 21 2018 01:28 JimmiC wrote:
I get the reactions, but lets not pretend that all Trump supporters are low IQ people that don't care about things. There are a decent amount of educated intelligent Trump supporters. Enough of them to make a difference in many of these close races if the dems court them based on this sort of hypocrisy instead of of insulting them. The high IQ Trump supporters always knew the email thing against Hillary was bullocks and probably never cared about any of that in the first place, or were cynical enough to know it was just an opportunistic way to manipulate dumber people into thinking she was definitly a criminal. Problem solved. Going by evidence on this site, this isn't the case. Several high IQ Trump supporters here fully believe Clinton should be investigated and incarcerated. As for the OP (re; being nice to smart Trump voters): FUCK EM. If you have a high IQ and voted for Trump you've got no excuse. The Dems shouldn't have to go to those people hat in hand. They should be smart enough to know what they voted for and either not vote or vote something other than Trump. If they're not, they can keep their vote. It is inconceivable that a high IQ Trump voter doesn't already know that he's a collossal hypocrite. He demonstrated it throughout his entire election campaign. They either don't care or decided it didn't matter. As for now, they can do the right thing or not. The party of 'fuck your fee-fees' don't get to complain about the Dems being mean to them for voting in the orange one. The point is not to be nice, it is about trying to win them to your side so you can move the country forward. Spite is pointless other than making you momentarily geel good, while likely creating someone who is unwilling to change their position no matter the logic or reason. Thats why I really like what Canada did. Instead of being mad that trump tore up the free trade aggreement they made some minor concessions so he could feel like he won and put in it a giant social requirememt of treating lgbt as a protect ed class.
I'm not convinced that this particular Trump supporter exists in any significant quantity. We're talking about a theoretical Trump supporter smart enough to know he's full of shit yet voted for him anyway that is now going to be persuaded to vote in the favour of Democrats because that's now learned... that Trump is exactly what they knowingly voted for in the first place?
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