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On October 27 2018 02:27 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2018 02:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You can't vote in FL with a felony at this moment, however, there is an amendment which apparently is pushing to allow people that have been in prison to vote. It's an amendment to allow people, which have served their sentence for a non-violent crime, to have their voting rights automatically restored, upon completion of said sentence. Doubt it would apply to this guy.
Thanks, yea, I couldn't remember the specifics behind it.
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On October 27 2018 02:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2018 02:27 NewSunshine wrote:On October 27 2018 02:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You can't vote in FL with a felony at this moment, however, there is an amendment which apparently is pushing to allow people that have been in prison to vote. It's an amendment to allow people, which have served their sentence for a non-violent crime, to have their voting rights automatically restored, upon completion of said sentence. Doubt it would apply to this guy. Thanks, yea, I couldn't remember the specifics behind it.
John Oliver talked about the situation we have here in FL, and how bad our system is for restoring voters' rights once they leave prison, so I latched onto that pretty well. It's pretty much the major pinch point this state has for voter disenfranchisement, because all they have to do is throw a black person in jail for having some weed, then they run him through the ringer before they let him get his voting rights back, but then it ultimately comes down to whether Rick Scott feels like giving them their rights back. And he's proven to be a racist PoS who's denied perfectly good people for perfectly no reason. Getting this amendment in place would be a huge win for voting rights in Florida.
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On October 27 2018 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
In Canada you can vote even while you are in Prison
"When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.Aug 25, 2015"
The most surreal word in that quote, for me, is "thousands"... because I'm from the United States, land of millions behind bars.
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On October 27 2018 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
In Canada you can vote even while you are in Prison
"When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.Aug 25, 2015"
I have never heard a single good, relevant reason why prisoners shouldn't be able to vote.
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On October 27 2018 02:40 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2018 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
In Canada you can vote even while you are in Prison
"When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.Aug 25, 2015" I have never heard a single good, relevant reason why prisoners shouldn't be able to vote.
Most of them are black, brown, poor and or some combination. It isn’t a good reason, but it is the reason those laws got passed. Then you slowly slower the barrier for what is considered a felony.
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On October 27 2018 02:40 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2018 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
In Canada you can vote even while you are in Prison
"When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.Aug 25, 2015" I have never heard a single good, relevant reason why prisoners shouldn't be able to vote.
I don't know if I agree, but I think you can make a reasonable argument that voting is a part of our national social contract, and that by breaking the laws we have set as a society you should no longer be allowed to participate in directing our society.
There's a wealth of philosophical work on the topic.
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Update: Arrested suspect is Cesar Alteri Sayoc Jr.
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On October 27 2018 02:19 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I'm being dead serious when I ask this: You guys know this is only going to get worse right? The bombs will become more common, Democratic offices will be set on fire in the middle of the night, and shootings will start happening with greater frequency. Like, we can be fairly sure that this is going to continue to escalate. The only question at this point is how fast it will and how bad it will get. If the Dems win, it will go into overdrive. If the Republicans win..... I could see it cooling off. But that opens a whole other can of worms for the rest of us sane people.
Probably yes. The slow ramp up of factional tensions will inevitably turn towards violence, and both factions' - but especially the Republicans - refusal to properly own up to or combat it only makes things worse. People were threatening to march on the White House if Clinton won the election. We'll have to see if the same rhetoric turns up next time a Democrat actually wins the Presidency.
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On October 27 2018 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
In Canada you can vote even while you are in Prison
"When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.Aug 25, 2015"
To add one more country for comparison:
In Poland inmates can vote unless additional punishment was enacted as part of their sentence - "Pozbawienie Praw Publicznych" whcih basically means they cant vote or be elected to political position for certain amount of time (depending on sentence).
Also i think its similiar in most EU countries because i found some EU Tribunal verdict saying that people convicted of crime cannot "always and automatically" lose their voting rights. It is supposed to be specific punishment for certain crimes.
Edit: Fixed serious spelling mistake
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On October 27 2018 02:19 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
The picture of his van shows he is damn political. Bonus of this is it is going to make it hard for any conspiracy nut to make it out to anything but what it is. That being said, I'm sure we will here some wild theories! No the theory will assume its just a long con and he is faking supporting the Rs to hurt their chances
“Hillary’s gone too far this time” #lockherup
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On October 27 2018 03:41 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2018 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
In Canada you can vote even while you are in Prison
"When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.Aug 25, 2015" To add one more country for comparison: In Poland inmates can vote unless additional punishment was enacted as part of their sentence - "Pozbawienie Praw Publicznych" whcih basically means they can vote or be elected to political position for certain amount of time (depending on sentence). Also i think its similiar in most EU countries because i found some EU Tribunal verdict saying that people convicted of crime cannot "always and automatically" lose their voting rights. It is supposed to be specific punishment for certain crimes.
It’s part of the EU Convention on Human Rights. Under British law criminals lost the vote while in prison and a few of them sued due to the EU. The British gov fought it for years but kept losing.
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We've already had people shooting politicians and threatening other actions against them before this. And nothing has changed. So yes, very unrealistic to think anything but words will come of this. Trump will play to it his next rally blaming dems and dems will double down on rhetoric that won't get them any more votes than they'd already get. This nation is slowly burning. Some are just trying to speed it up.
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On October 27 2018 05:13 JimmiC wrote:
You are probably right, my favorite part of the story that has come out so far is that he was a male stripper in the 90's.
And the manager of a strip club for thirty fucking five yearrrrrs????
I know very people to keep the same job that long, let alone managing a strip club.
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It is like they arrested Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, but somehow more of a failure.
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I am concerned by the fact that his identity is getting plastered everywhere just like a mass shooting perpetrator. Not surprised, but concerned. It would be nice if committing mass violence or domestic terrorism did not result in you becoming a celebrity.
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