EPTIn curious if this is as planned or he is being pressured by a Rosenstein in "save my job" mode.
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
In curious if this is as planned or he is being pressured by a Rosenstein in "save my job" mode. Source: | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:56 On_Slaught wrote: Word is Mueller is going to be releasing a report concerning collusion and obstruction after the midterms. However, his investigation is not ending at that point it would seem. In curious if this is as planned or he is being pressured by a Rosenstein in "save my job" mode. 5 bucks says this leak is from the trump team and not from Mullers | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:52 warding wrote: I'm not sure how you and the twitter guy are drawing that conclusion. The inflated metrics were on ad performance reporting, giving advertisers a wrong perception of ad reach and possibly billing them the wrong amounts. I don't see how that wrong perception would lead to companies firing writers and hiring video producers. The substitute to FB video ads isn't writing, at most it's... pictures. Also, I'd guess the vast majority of advertisers on FB are looking at other metrics than video views, like clicks, page likes, post engagement, conversions, and so on. Disclaimer: I spend a ton of money on FB ads. They allow a big part of my business to exist which relies on effective targeting of our services to potential clients. Everyone who is doing it isn't relying on a single metric to make big decisions, and this one in particular isn't going to be responsible for vast movements in the media space. The Twitter guy reached that conclusion because he's the CEO of an online publisher's trade group that is suing Facebook due to its inaccurate marketing data. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14111 Posts
The Senate is probably going to stay red. I think that turning it was always a long shot for Democrats and I think it'll remain that way. I think the house is going to stay red too. Midterms have been strong for the GOP and without a significant Muller release before the midterm, I don't think the house will flip like that. | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:52 warding wrote: I'm not sure how you and the twitter guy are drawing that conclusion. The inflated metrics were on ad performance reporting, giving advertisers a wrong perception of ad reach and possibly billing them the wrong amounts. I don't see how that wrong perception would lead to companies firing writers and hiring video producers. The substitute to FB video ads isn't writing, at most it's... pictures. Also, I'd guess the vast majority of advertisers on FB are looking at other metrics than video views, like clicks, page likes, post engagement, conversions, and so on. Disclaimer: I spend a ton of money on FB ads. They allow a big part of my business to exist which relies on effective targeting of our services to potential clients. Everyone who is doing it isn't relying on a single metric to make big decisions, and this one in particular isn't going to be responsible for vast movements in the media space. if facebook is telling you video ads are over performing, you can’t figure out why company’s are scrambling to produce videos? surely the whole media landscape bit isn’t fundamentally altered. but the parts where people have lost their job due to bad reporting is certainly the case. though while we’re sharing anecdotes, i’ve certainly experienced an uptick in video ads relative to pictures or text. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
The problem for trump is that if this audio comes out proving that khashoggi was tortured and dismembered, and proof comes out that these were Saudi govt operatives connected to MBS, its gonna make trump look pretty stupid. He'll presumably stick with MBS, or more accurately Kushner will, since Kushner is literally in charge of Saudi Arabian/middle Eastern relations. On top of that the trump family cant be trusted due to potential conflicts of interest in the middle east. This is why we need oversight from the house over trump family finances. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On October 18 2018 01:04 Doodsmack wrote: How is this in any way different from Russia's interference in the Presidential election?Trump is taking a risk with this khashoggi business. He and Pompeo are basically positioning themselves as believing MBS at face value, meaning they presumably will buy into any forthcoming theory that rogue killer are responsible. Trump is saying "Saudi Arabia is investigating this, and th4y deny personal involvement," which implies that the royal family is exonerated. The problem for trump is that if this audio comes out proving that khashoggi was tortured and dismembered, and proof comes out that these were Saudi govt operatives connected to MBS, its gonna make trump look pretty stupid. He'll presumably stick with MBS, or more accurately Kushner will, since Kushner is literally in charge of Saudi Arabian/middle Eastern relations. On top of that the trump family cant be trusted due to potential conflicts of interest in the middle east. This is why we need oversight from the house over trump family finances. Trump takes Putin's refusal at face value and proclaims it to the world. Only for all his own, and every other, intelligence agency to contradict him This isn't a risk. The people that care that someone with a Muslim name working in the US got killed in a distant foreign country already hate Trump. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:52 warding wrote: I'm not sure how you and the twitter guy are drawing that conclusion. The inflated metrics were on ad performance reporting, giving advertisers a wrong perception of ad reach and possibly billing them the wrong amounts. I don't see how that wrong perception would lead to companies firing writers and hiring video producers. The substitute to FB video ads isn't writing, at most it's... pictures. Also, I'd guess the vast majority of advertisers on FB are looking at other metrics than video views, like clicks, page likes, post engagement, conversions, and so on. Disclaimer: I spend a ton of money on FB ads. They allow a big part of my business to exist which relies on effective targeting of our services to potential clients. Everyone who is doing it isn't relying on a single metric to make big decisions, and this one in particular isn't going to be responsible for vast movements in the media space. People in journalism and writing in general have been saying the numbers produced by Facebook on video were a major reason why a lot of sites prioritized video over written content. From video game sites to news journalism. Writing staffs were cut or gutted in recent years as companies tried to restructure in the new digital landscape. And now they are finding out that the numbers not only inaccurate, but Facebook discovered the error and tried to cover it up. The point is that whole industries relied on this data due to Facebooks size and reach. Decisions were made based on it, some more drastic than others(I assume it played a bigger factor in the US, for instance). Even sites like NPR(National Public Radio), which deal mostly in radio have said that Facebook’s numbers have influenced the way they are moving forward online. But the numbers were wrong and Facebook knew it. If I was a reporter or editor who was let go because video was seen as the future, I would be pretty pissed. But the more infuriating part is that this finding will have zero impact on Facebook size or growth. They are so huge that they now have user numbers equal to Christianity. The religion. And the other news coming out of these pleadings is Facebook was being used to coordinate lynch mobs in one country. People died. But Facebook didn’t notice because no one at Facebook spoke or read the native language of that country. Just think about that. They launched their service in a country without being able to understand what anyone in that country was saying. Facebook is a monolith of gross negligence. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 18 2018 01:04 Doodsmack wrote: Trump is taking a risk with this khashoggi business. He and Pompeo are basically positioning themselves as believing MBS at face value, meaning they presumably will buy into any forthcoming theory that rogue killer are responsible. Trump is saying "Saudi Arabia is investigating this, and th4y deny personal involvement," which implies that the royal family is exonerated. The problem for trump is that if this audio comes out proving that khashoggi was tortured and dismembered, and proof comes out that these were Saudi govt operatives connected to MBS, its gonna make trump look pretty stupid. He'll presumably stick with MBS, or more accurately Kushner will, since Kushner is literally in charge of Saudi Arabian/middle Eastern relations. On top of that the trump family cant be trusted due to potential conflicts of interest in the middle east. This is why we need oversight from the house over trump family finances. It's genuinely surprising to me that you think this is risky at all for Trump after what we've already been through. The man lies about literally everything, from the weather to events captured on video only moments ago. You think this even moves the needle? Trump supporters and the GOP at large don't give a single fuck about this issue. There could be video released tomorrow of MBS killing Khashoggi himself and it wouldn't wane support. I agree with you about the oversight and the conflicts of interest but the ones in charge have made it painstakingly obvious that they don't. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 18 2018 01:43 crms wrote: It's genuinely surprising to me that you think this is risky at all for Trump after what we've already been through. The man lies about literally everything, from the weather to events captured on video only moments ago. You think this even moves the needle? Trump supporters and the GOP at large don't give a single fuck about this issue. There could be video released tomorrow of MBS killing Khashoggi himself and it wouldn't wane support. I agree with you about the oversight and the conflicts of interest but the ones in charge have made it painstakingly obvious that they don't. It doesn't move the needle among his base, but I think there are people out there in the middle who can be swayed one way or the other. Trump and Kushner are by implication backing MBS, but that could blow up in their face. That said, Trump has also said that he will issue punishment if appropriate. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
It will also give Democrats an excuse to dig into Trump's conflicts in Saudi Arabia. My understanding is that the Saudis bailed Trump out in the 1990s by buying a whole bunch of real estate from him. And that relationship seems to be alive and well to the point where Trump's sons have bragged about it several times. And it shouldn't surprise anyone that the Kushner is the main point of contact for Saudi Arabia, rather than an ambassador. Edit: Also, in regards to the House and if the Democrats win, I don't think the Trump team or the Senate republicans are prepared for a Democratic Majority House. Especially if Pelosi is Speaker. Pelosi may be Republican's favorite punching bag, but she is also an effective leader who gives zero shits about if people dislike her. Kinda like McConnell. The Republican House was a pain for Obama, but the worst parts of conservatives never had the support of the Speaker or majority. That likely won't be true for the Democrats. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
and as much as i'm not really a fan of medicare for all, it would be funny as hell if the dems just passed a medicare for all bill on a weekly basis as a reversal of the republicans passing their aca repeal bill a bajillion times. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:56 On_Slaught wrote: Word is Mueller is going to be releasing a report concerning collusion and obstruction after the midterms. However, his investigation is not ending at that point it would seem. In curious if this is as planned or he is being pressured by a Rosenstein in "save my job" mode. Source: https://twitter.com/business/status/1052486347540312065 Love how this is done after the midterms, so if there's anything in them people won't have any way to hold them accountable by, say, voting for the opposition.. | ||
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ReditusSum
79 Posts
On October 18 2018 01:04 Doodsmack wrote: Trump is taking a risk with this khashoggi business. He and Pompeo are basically positioning themselves as believing MBS at face value, meaning they presumably will buy into any forthcoming theory that rogue killer are responsible. Trump is saying "Saudi Arabia is investigating this, and th4y deny personal involvement," which implies that the royal family is exonerated. The problem for trump is that if this audio comes out proving that khashoggi was tortured and dismembered, and proof comes out that these were Saudi govt operatives connected to MBS, its gonna make trump look pretty stupid. He'll presumably stick with MBS, or more accurately Kushner will, since Kushner is literally in charge of Saudi Arabian/middle Eastern relations. On top of that the trump family cant be trusted due to potential conflicts of interest in the middle east. This is why we need oversight from the house over trump family finances. I was under the impression that said audio could not possibly exist due to the nature of the AppleWatch and the fact that he left his phone with his girlfriend. I think Trump is playing this as well as he can. I don't think he "believes" the crown-prince as much as he is not willing to toss his entire Middle-East policy overboard for the sake of a single dissident. He's in a bad spot here. Push too hard against Saudi Arabia and he loses any leverage he's been building, and potentially throws the entire Middle East into confusion. Don't push hard enough and it looks like he's enabling a dictator. His best bet may be to say "this is terrible, we need an investigation!" and hope it goes away. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
Where is Trump actually pressuring the KSA into doing anything it doesn't want to? | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On October 18 2018 04:31 ReditusSum wrote: I was under the impression that said audio could not possibly exist due to the nature of the AppleWatch and the fact that he left his phone with his girlfriend. I think Trump is playing this as well as he can. I don't think he "believes" the crown-prince as much as he is not willing to toss his entire Middle-East policy overboard for the sake of a single dissident. He's in a bad spot here. Push too hard against Saudi Arabia and he loses any leverage he's been building, and potentially throws the entire Middle East into confusion. Don't push hard enough and it looks like he's enabling a dictator. His best bet may be to say "this is terrible, we need an investigation!" and hope it goes away. That tape is probably from Turkish authority wiring the consulate. Do not forget that they are assholes, too. They want to put pressure on the US and KSA, but are reluctant to publicly reveal that they wire or spy on embassies. I doubt we would have so many details otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/world/europe/turkey-saudi-khashoggi-dismember.html You are getting the Trump/KSA relationship backwards. As a businessman, Trump doesn't want his private dealings with Russia or KSA to be brought to light, they have most probably done a lot of shady real estate business and laundering, so he has always been doing everything he can to publicly support them against all proofs and odds, so they can't hold it against him even if the Congress decides sanctions. F*** the world if he can save his reputation. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 18 2018 04:46 farvacola wrote: Trump has so much leverage on Saudi Arabia that they felt able to torture, murder, and dismember a Green Card holding journalist who works for one the U.S.'s largest news outlets. So much leverage, much wow. Wouldn't wanna waste that. It's almost like Trump makes the U.S. look like a weak little bitch to any authoritarian leader that wants to do whatever the hell they want. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 18 2018 05:07 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's almost like Trump makes the U.S. look like a weak little bitch to any authoritarian leader that wants to do whatever the hell they want. And his attacks on the press sure make it seem like he won’t rush to defend them if they are targeted, attacked and killed by an authoritarian government. In this case, if the reporting on the the CIA knew is correct, it gives the impression Trumps administration let it happen. | ||
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