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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 17 2018 01:38 GMT
#17021
On October 17 2018 10:35 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2018 07:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 17 2018 07:14 CorsairHero wrote:
On October 17 2018 07:04 Nouar wrote:
On October 17 2018 06:42 Gahlo wrote:
Speaking of Native Americans...

So for this election the voter suppression de jour says that an ID isn't enough, it has to be an ID with a street address. You know, for that voter fraud that doesn't happen. Apparently most reservations have a PO Box and don't use street addresses. So now thousands of people one by one need to call up their 911 coordinator to sign up for a free address so they have enough time to get the ID between now and election time.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/657125819/many-native-ids-wont-be-accepted-at-north-dakota-polling-places


Worth to mention that ID without a street addresses were accepted during the primary. They won't for the general election. I despise the guys who create these idiocies.

Matching a voting card mailed to your home to your government services card or drivers license is the primary way of verifying voters here in Canada. All 3 pieces will have your address on it so it's easy to match.


Now good luck convincing Americans to support the idea of government-provided voter cards.

I mean federal mandated IDs would remove all the tic tac stuff, it would also free up companies to uncouple everything to your social security number which is very insecure means of verification. Too bad the people who push voter ID are the same ones that would oppose any federally mandated ID.


Yup. Government mandated ID is supported by both sides in their own way, yet we can't seem to make it happen ?_?

We are so hopeless
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6222 Posts
October 17 2018 05:07 GMT
#17022
There already exists one. It's called a passport.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
October 17 2018 05:25 GMT
#17023
Isn't there a law that requires you to identify yourself if police ask for it? We have that in Germany and it solves a lot of those issues...
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 17 2018 08:10 GMT
#17024
On October 17 2018 14:07 RvB wrote:
There already exists one. It's called a passport.

In most countries, a passport is not compulsory and is only needed when you travel abroad.
It's much easier to have a national ID card like most European countries have.

For voting, in France it is pretty simple : you move in to a new town, get yourself registered and are given a voting card.
Then when there is a vote, you go to the voting station assigned to you, and show your card/Id, sign register, vote.

Immigrants don't have an ID card, but a stay permit and thus cannot vote, legally or illegally. European Nationals can vote in town or European elections.

The us having no federal ID card system is a mystery for me and make simple things soooo hard... Some things I just cannot understand (among others)
NoiR
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
October 17 2018 09:29 GMT
#17025
"A national ID system, where people are registered at certain places, is the first step to a communist overwatch system. This is clearly incompatible with freedom!"

At least this was the answer I got every time I asked why the US is making this so complicated.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11527 Posts
October 17 2018 09:35 GMT
#17026
Which is weird, since i can't believe that there is not already a government list of americans with places they live at etc...

They are all paying taxes, after all.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 17 2018 11:34 GMT
#17027
It isn't about making sense. It's about creating problems as a means to an end while refusing to fix it.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 17 2018 12:11 GMT
#17028
So with the Warren situation and the Kavanaugh loss, how to people feel about the midterms now?

It seems to me Democrats have lost all momentum, with a GOP win and a massive, massive Democrat disaster with Warren being the main news right now. Do you still think the mid terms will be good for Dems? Or has the blue wave broken?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 17 2018 12:21 GMT
#17029
On October 17 2018 21:11 iamthedave wrote:
So with the Warren situation and the Kavanaugh loss, how to people feel about the midterms now?

It seems to me Democrats have lost all momentum, with a GOP win and a massive, massive Democrat disaster with Warren being the main news right now. Do you still think the mid terms will be good for Dems? Or has the blue wave broken?

The news story of the week doesn't change what should be motivating people to vote one way or the other. The time has come to act, to start looking at what your races are and have a plan. I'm in Florida, unfortunately. But I'm excited to play my part in giving Rick Scott the finger, among other things. The change we need to see starts small. I don't really give a damn about the Warren thing in that context.

And I know I'm just one guy. But at least there's a non-zero number of us.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 17 2018 12:48 GMT
#17030
On October 17 2018 21:11 iamthedave wrote:
So with the Warren situation and the Kavanaugh loss, how to people feel about the midterms now?

It seems to me Democrats have lost all momentum, with a GOP win and a massive, massive Democrat disaster with Warren being the main news right now. Do you still think the mid terms will be good for Dems? Or has the blue wave broken?

Most people don't care about the Warren situation. It's a non-issue to anybody with half a brain that understands the chain of events going up to it. If anything it makes them laugh at Trump as he fails to put his money where his big fat mouth is.

Do you think people are just shrugging and moving on about Kavanaugh? They're still angry he's on the SC, whether it be because they think =he's guilty or because he's a giant hack. At very least they're going to try to not let Trump get another crack at this.

Early voting in Georgia has tripled on day 1.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-17 13:10:29
October 17 2018 12:52 GMT
#17031
I feel fine about the midterms, absentee ballot requests are up and pollsters continue to ignore the 30 and under voting demographic.

Edit: it's also worth remembering that a large amount of polling is still done solely through calling landline phone numbers. Think on that when folks start using them to say this or that.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2018 13:30 GMT
#17032
Further Facebook nonsense. The move to video and away from writing was caused by Facebook inflating video numbers. Companies took Facebooks data at face value, which has had a massive impact our what our media space looks like today. And now it’s all proven to be lies. Data selling is starting to remind me of snake oil merchants.


I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-17 13:49:53
October 17 2018 13:46 GMT
#17033
On October 17 2018 14:07 RvB wrote:
There already exists one. It's called a passport.


Passports are ridiculously expensive (roughly $150) and very hard to get (have to provide several forms of ID, takes weeks or months to get to you).

This is the problem with voter ID laws: you require everyone to have something to exercise a fundamental right of a democracy, and yet you provide no feasible way to get one.

So with the Warren situation and the Kavanaugh loss, how to people feel about the midterms now?

It seems to me Democrats have lost all momentum, with a GOP win and a massive, massive Democrat disaster with Warren being the main news right now. Do you still think the mid terms will be good for Dems? Or has the blue wave broken?


Absolutely no one gives a shit about Warren. That's just a sad attempt by conservatives to try to spin the news cycle away from Trump's weekly stupidity and gross human rights violations.

Kavanaugh being appointed only helps the Democrats in the mid terms because voters are extra pissed off.

You'd have to be either very bold or very stupid to bet against the Dems winning the House and the GOP keeping the Senate. All signs point to that exact outcome.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 17 2018 13:51 GMT
#17034
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 17 2018 13:55 GMT
#17035
I'm fairly comfortable with the idea that Dems will take the House and lose the Senate at this point. After that it'll be about if Dems in the House can create out solid legislation that benefits people and take the Republicans to court (metaphorically speaking) for blocking it in the Senate.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
October 17 2018 13:56 GMT
#17036
Contrary to soundbite heavy political spin, "getting things done" is not actually a virtue unto itself, particularly when the things supposedly not getting done are at least arguably, if not objectively, terrible.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 17 2018 14:05 GMT
#17037
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
October 17 2018 14:14 GMT
#17038
Campaign spending is a separate issue that relates to our dire need for drastic election reform. The entire process is dragged out and elongated precisely because a longer election cycle allows monied interests to spend as much as they can and talking heads to try and garner viewers for as long as possible. Shortening the timeframe for campaigning, making Election Day a federal holiday, and setting a national baseline for voter registration are musts moving forward.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2018 15:21 GMT
#17039
On October 17 2018 21:52 farvacola wrote:
I feel fine about the midterms, absentee ballot requests are up and pollsters continue to ignore the 30 and under voting demographic.

Edit: it's also worth remembering that a large amount of polling is still done solely through calling landline phone numbers. Think on that when folks start using them to say this or that.

My big concern is the wide reports of voter suppression nationwide. It is really startling and I’m worried it might be effective enough for Republicans to hold onto the House. If that happens, Republicans will be emboldened and those that are angry about the state of things will look to alternative methods of change.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
October 17 2018 15:52 GMT
#17040
On October 17 2018 22:30 Plansix wrote:
Further Facebook nonsense. The move to video and away from writing was caused by Facebook inflating video numbers. Companies took Facebooks data at face value, which has had a massive impact our what our media space looks like today. And now it’s all proven to be lies. Data selling is starting to remind me of snake oil merchants.


https://twitter.com/dyfl/status/1052403439613829120

I'm not sure how you and the twitter guy are drawing that conclusion. The inflated metrics were on ad performance reporting, giving advertisers a wrong perception of ad reach and possibly billing them the wrong amounts. I don't see how that wrong perception would lead to companies firing writers and hiring video producers. The substitute to FB video ads isn't writing, at most it's... pictures. Also, I'd guess the vast majority of advertisers on FB are looking at other metrics than video views, like clicks, page likes, post engagement, conversions, and so on.

Disclaimer: I spend a ton of money on FB ads. They allow a big part of my business to exist which relies on effective targeting of our services to potential clients. Everyone who is doing it isn't relying on a single metric to make big decisions, and this one in particular isn't going to be responsible for vast movements in the media space.
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