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On October 16 2018 11:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Stormy Daniels has to pay Trumps legal fees.
Which means the people who donated to her gofundme for her legal fees are literally paying Trump.
He just keeps winning.
We are talking about the pornstar the president of the united states fucked while his 30 years younger wife had just had a baby, right? And then lied about it to the whole country.
There is « winning » in that story, in your book?
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On October 16 2018 18:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 11:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Stormy Daniels has to pay Trumps legal fees.
Which means the people who donated to her gofundme for her legal fees are literally paying Trump.
He just keeps winning. We are talking about the pornstar the president of the united states fucked while his 30 years younger wife had just had a baby, right? And then lied about it to the whole country. There is « winning » in that story, in your book? Yes, the fact that Republicans don't give a shit and many probably quietly cheer him on for it?
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You have to remember that people like Nettles treat politics like pro wrestling. It’s all about supporting Trump to own the libs. Straight up, he wouldn’t give a shit about politics if he couldn’t soak up the outrage through the internet.
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On October 16 2018 10:12 micronesia wrote:
What opportunities did Warren take advantage of? From what I've heard so far, she didn't really benefit in the one or two places where she indicated that she was also Native American. Also, what is the threshold for whether she was honest or had no integrity?
Being a professor at Harvard Law School with full tenure could have been one. She was referred to as the “first woman of color” while there in the late 90’s.
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The fact that other people have independently referred to her that way not only doesn't indicate any intent to benefit on her part, it undercuts all this noise about her being the center of the identification in the first place.
As the son of a naturalized citizen from Colombia who happens to look like a big white guy, all this implied "you better look the way you identify" talk is both mildly amusing and disconcerting all at once.
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Also the idea that being a minority will get you a full tenure at Harvard shows a misunderstanding of Harvard. Harvard isn’t a meritocracy per say, but it’s biases have never been known to favor people of color.
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Now that the Cherokee tribe has issued a statement on this issue, I am even more confident whoever told Warren to do this will be fired. I'm still surprised they published that. It was just so stupid.
This is a good thing, though. We need the Democratic primary to thin. We have a lot of people with no business running who clearly intend to run. Warren is terrible and I hope this prevents her from gainin any amount of momentum.
https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/cherokee-nation-issues-statement-on-sen-elizabeth-warren-s-dna-test-results
"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."
- Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.
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Warren is more useful in the Senate anyhow, but the haste with which supposed leftists adopt the rhetoric of shitbag conservative pundits is just further evidence that the American left has no idea how to win or even how to mitigate damage wrought by poor choices on the part of elected officials. While folks like Mohdoo rush to claim that Warren is terrible, the right sits back and laughs as the discussion drifts away from all of the objectively terrible things being done by Republican led national and state governments. But yes, good on you for taking a hardline on Warren, congrats.
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I've actually started liking Warren a little more. Her last couple policy proposals have been fairly solid, and I see nothing wrong with an attempt to put this heritage nonsense to bed, though it feels like a damned if she does/doesn't kind of issue.
It's very clear she's going to run in 2020 and it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out now that Republicans are going to aim the full force of their propaganda machine at her.
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Her work on consumer finance and bankruptcy, those being the stuff of my current job, is awesome and a highly distinguishing factor when compared with other hopefuls. She actually knows how legislation is drafted and implemented, which is why I think a good case can be made for her sticking to Senate.
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If I could choose a reasonably mainstream american politician to dictate american policy for the next decade, Warren would be very high up on my list.
But the most important metric for the presidential candidate in 2020 isn't 'is a real smart policy wonk who knows his or her shit', it's 'is going to beat Trump'. I'm not sure Warren is a good choice there, or, I think she's probably a bad one.
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On October 16 2018 23:50 farvacola wrote:
Her work on consumer finance and bankruptcy, those being the stuff of my current job, is awesome and a highly distinguishing factor when compared with other hopefuls. She actually knows how legislation is drafted and implemented, which is why I think a good case can be made for her sticking to Senate.
The reason I am cheering for Warren's ship slowly sinking is the fact that nothing you've listed will win a 2020 election. She'd be a wonderful vice president, not that I want her on a ticket. But she would do well as one. But she's a terrible messenger, she has zero charisma, and she is apparently so deaf to the minds of our country that she would release something saying she is (at most) 1/32 native American with a straight face.
If you heard someone talking about life as a black man, skin pale as a piece of paper, then realized he is 1/16 black, would you not roll your eyes? That is what a significant number of voters did when Warren released this DNA bullshit. This was an amazing example of terrible messaging.
This isn't the first time she has been terrible at messaging. She is deeply entrenched in all the same shitty messaging habits as a lot of our party. She has no charisma, isn't likable, and does not have nearly the influence as someone like Bernie. She's not going to inspire people to vote in nearly the same way Trump has/did. We need someone inspirational, not someone who is knowledgeable.
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Warren's propriety as a candidate notwithstanding, the state of average household finances is absolutely a viable path of attack against Trump and his cohort of regressive taxslashing Republicans. That's a huge part of why Bernie is so popular in the first place.
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On October 16 2018 23:57 Mohdoo wrote:
and does not have nearly the influence as someone like Bernie.
not really true. she actually influences policy more than Bernie. Bernie like to talks, Warren gets stuff done
the problem is the people are more about flash than substance these days
On October 16 2018 23:57 Mohdoo wrote: We need someone inspirational, not someone who is knowledgeable.
true but sad
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On October 17 2018 00:04 dankobanana wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 23:57 Mohdoo wrote:
and does not have nearly the influence as someone like Bernie. not really true. she actually influences policy more than Bernie. Bernie like to talks, Warren gets stuff done the problem is the people are more about flash than substance these days true but sad
If getting things done meant getting people to vote for you, we wouldn't be in the situation we are currently in. Our own nobility does us no good. Republicans landed 2 supreme court justices as a list 20 feet long of long-held objectives by gathering behind the guy they knew would win.
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On October 17 2018 00:06 Mohdoo wrote:
If getting things done meant getting people to vote for you, we wouldn't be in the situation we are currently in. Our own nobility does us no good. Republicans landed 2 supreme court justices as a list 20 feet long of long-held objectives by gathering behind the guy they knew would win.
the thing is, they get out and vote. and they vote because they are motivated by fear. fear mongering is how republicans operate and it would not work for the democrats.
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You guys talking less about race and all that jazz would be a net positive for everyone anyway.
No, that doesn't mean that there are no issues, but more direct, fixable problems tend to correlate with the minority/race issue and are fixable.
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Trumps lies need to be carefully watched because even when he says something that is literally true, it is sometimes still intended to deceive. Here he says he has no "financial interests" in Russia and Saudi Arabia. However, many millions of dollars have flowed from those two countries into his properties, and it's likely that a lot of that money was parked in his real estate as a means of laundering it. Not to mention Jared Kushners shady activity when it comes to seeking investment from Qatar during the presidential transition and even after trump took office I believe. These countries are a cesspool of corruption and the trump family cant be trusted in that environment without oversight. This is why we need Democrats in the House investigating trumps business dealings.
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On October 17 2018 00:08 dankobanana wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2018 00:06 Mohdoo wrote:
If getting things done meant getting people to vote for you, we wouldn't be in the situation we are currently in. Our own nobility does us no good. Republicans landed 2 supreme court justices as a list 20 feet long of long-held objectives by gathering behind the guy they knew would win. the thing is, they get out and vote. and they vote because they are motivated by fear. fear mongering is how republicans operate and it would not work for the democrats.
That and disgustingly blatant voter suppression.
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