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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 15 2018 16:57 GMT
#16941
They need to attack Warren on anything other than the issues she advocates for. Because people hate banks and Warren wants to punch banks in the face. They can't beat her on that front, so they need to attack her in any way possible that isn't' about policy.
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MAGA MAN
Profile Joined October 2018
0 Posts
October 15 2018 16:57 GMT
#16942
On October 16 2018 01:25 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 01:23 MAGA MAN wrote:
On October 15 2018 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run.

EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication:
https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21


Why are you so angry about this?


Because she obviously decided to turn this into a political riposte against Trump as a means of launching her presidential campaign, which makes her fair game (see her Twitter rant today). Thus, I'm calling her out on her bullshit. We're this not politically motivated, it would perhaps be a different story.


So I guess you're mad at yourself for utilizing your own heritage as a means of making a political statement that attacks Warren. Glad we got that cleared up.


How can I be mad at myself for pointing out the standard of 1/16 minimum? That's simply fact, not a matter of opinion. Were my test results any less, I promise you I would not claim to be Metis, especially if I were running for office.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 15 2018 16:59 GMT
#16943
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:19:59
October 15 2018 17:03 GMT
#16944
On October 16 2018 01:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 01:25 farvacola wrote:
On October 16 2018 01:23 MAGA MAN wrote:
On October 15 2018 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run.

EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication:
https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21


Why are you so angry about this?


Because she obviously decided to turn this into a political riposte against Trump as a means of launching her presidential campaign, which makes her fair game (see her Twitter rant today). Thus, I'm calling her out on her bullshit. We're this not politically motivated, it would perhaps be a different story.


So I guess you're mad at yourself for utilizing your own heritage as a means of making a political statement that attacks Warren. Glad we got that cleared up.


How can I be mad at myself for pointing out the standard of 1/16 minimum? That's simply fact, not a matter of opinion. Were my test results any less, I promise you I would not claim to be Metis, especially if I were running for office.

It is simple fact that Warren never claimed to have minority status, making this entire question moot.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:10:05
October 15 2018 17:09 GMT
#16945
On October 16 2018 01:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 01:38 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 16 2018 01:23 farvacola wrote:
It's also inconsistent, if not counterproductive to rail against Warren's "focus" on her heritage using the same language utilized by conservatives who are delighting in how folks have turned their focus on her heritage into their own.


If it was determined that this whole thing was never going to go away, and the best they could do is a DNA test, then I have no problem with this so long as they already determined this was necessary. I only support this strategy if it was determined to be the only way for this issue to go away. And I suppose she wants to clean all this out as early as possible.
I mean, this has been going since 2012 from what I can see in a quick google? Doesn't sound like something the GOP is likely to drop if they still bring it up 6 years later.
And why should they, baseless smear campaigns worked against Hillary, why wouldn't they try it against practically everyone else.


To that point, Trump regularly calls her "Pocahontas" and said at a rally he would put up a million dollars if she got a DNA test showing she has Native American ancestry. It's going to continue ad infinitum.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 15 2018 17:14 GMT
#16946
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 15 2018 17:19 GMT
#16947
Sounds like Russia hacks 2.0 reasoning. It happened, but we can't be sure who did it. And we have no ambassadors to any of the nation involved, so we need to rely on Jared for our updates.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 15 2018 17:21 GMT
#16948
On October 16 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
Trump has no said that it was not the Saudi government but likely a band of "rouge killers". It will be interesting to see how a band of rouge killers got access to the diplomatic buildings and so on.

This sounds very unlikely to me, but I guess we will see.


If SA says a rogue group had control of the Turkey embassy, I think it is entirely fair for the world to reply "bullshit". We can't accept these kinds of horse shit excuses. I am reserving judgment until Pompeo finishes up.

Obviously it is in the US' best interest to make everyone think SA is wonderful, but if Germany/France are going to be pushing for a proper investigation, it will likely end up happening. So then the US needs to predict how that investigation will go. Based on Pompeo's visit, he will be able to determine where the investigation is likely to end up. From there, they decide which narrative is most advantageous.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
October 15 2018 17:21 GMT
#16949
On October 16 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
Trump has no said that it was not the Saudi government but likely a band of "rouge killers". It will be interesting to see how a band of rouge killers got access to the diplomatic buildings and so on.

This sounds very unlikely to me, but I guess we will see.


All those rouge killers who just so happen to show up that day and leave that night.... Super rouge killers, unplanned, sad
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 17:33:24
October 15 2018 17:33 GMT
#16950
In other news, jails around the US are canceling their contracts with ICE. I have mixed feelings on this, because as the article points out, by canceling the contracts the detainees will be moved to states where they won't have access to legal aid. That will pretty much assure they are deported. And of course, the old person backlash because it might cause taxes to go up.

But conditions sound terrible and of course the immigrant inmates have no ability to make a complaint about abuse by other inmates or the jail staff.

But there's another wrinkle to the situation for immigrants at the jail, who now make up the majority of inmates. Almost all of them were picked up by ICE in New York, which makes them eligible for pro bono legal representation provided through city and state funds. With detainees moved out of Hudson County, they could be sent far away, without access to their free attorneys. Immigrants without lawyers are far likelier to be deported.

"Families and lawyers and their community are here," said Ryan Brewer of The Bronx Defenders, a public defender agency that represents detainees. He said immigrants need to be in proximity to legal resources to "to actually win their cases and remain permanently in the United States, or obtain release on bond."

Others wanted to keep the contract as it is. Democrats in Hudson County had initially argued that the contract is necessary to keep taxes down and avoid layoffs of public workers at the jail. Yvonne Balcer, 70, a lifelong resident of the county seat, Jersey City, scolded the freeholders for shifting their priorities.

"Your job is to represent the taxpayers of Hudson County, not to represent a social group!" she said. "And if you don't start putting us first we will start electing those who put us first."


Source
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 15 2018 17:34 GMT
#16951
On October 16 2018 02:21 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
Trump has no said that it was not the Saudi government but likely a band of "rouge killers". It will be interesting to see how a band of rouge killers got access to the diplomatic buildings and so on.

This sounds very unlikely to me, but I guess we will see.


All those rouge killers who just so happen to show up that day and leave that night.... Super rouge killers, unplanned, sad


It's amusing to make fun of the reasoning... but the major news sites are running it as the headline with their usual "both sides" crap that makes the explanation seem plausible to people who aren't paying closer attention.

I love no matter how slam dunk a story is today the news media seems to find a way to totally screw it up.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
October 15 2018 17:37 GMT
#16952
On October 16 2018 02:34 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 02:21 IyMoon wrote:
On October 16 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
Trump has no said that it was not the Saudi government but likely a band of "rouge killers". It will be interesting to see how a band of rouge killers got access to the diplomatic buildings and so on.

This sounds very unlikely to me, but I guess we will see.


All those rouge killers who just so happen to show up that day and leave that night.... Super rouge killers, unplanned, sad


It's amusing to make fun of the reasoning... but the major news sites are running it as the headline with their usual "both sides" crap that makes the explanation seem plausible to people who aren't paying closer attention.

I love no matter how slam dunk a story is today the news media seems to find a way to totally screw it up.


In defense of the media, I think they are just slowly learning wtf to do when the president of the US just lies sooooo god damn hard .

You used to be able to run a quote from the president in this country
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 15 2018 17:41 GMT
#16953
On October 16 2018 02:37 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 02:34 Logo wrote:
On October 16 2018 02:21 IyMoon wrote:
On October 16 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
Trump has no said that it was not the Saudi government but likely a band of "rouge killers". It will be interesting to see how a band of rouge killers got access to the diplomatic buildings and so on.

This sounds very unlikely to me, but I guess we will see.


All those rouge killers who just so happen to show up that day and leave that night.... Super rouge killers, unplanned, sad


It's amusing to make fun of the reasoning... but the major news sites are running it as the headline with their usual "both sides" crap that makes the explanation seem plausible to people who aren't paying closer attention.

I love no matter how slam dunk a story is today the news media seems to find a way to totally screw it up.


In defense of the media, I think they are just slowly learning wtf to do when the president of the US just lies sooooo god damn hard .

You used to be able to run a quote from the president in this country

We also have no ambassador or State Department worth talking about. That is where the reporters would get a lot of their information. Turkey is providing a lot of the information on the ground for reporters and I don’t think they are wild about taking that all at face value, because it’s Turkey.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 15 2018 17:44 GMT
#16954
On October 16 2018 02:37 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 02:34 Logo wrote:
On October 16 2018 02:21 IyMoon wrote:
On October 16 2018 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
Trump has no said that it was not the Saudi government but likely a band of "rouge killers". It will be interesting to see how a band of rouge killers got access to the diplomatic buildings and so on.

This sounds very unlikely to me, but I guess we will see.


All those rouge killers who just so happen to show up that day and leave that night.... Super rouge killers, unplanned, sad


It's amusing to make fun of the reasoning... but the major news sites are running it as the headline with their usual "both sides" crap that makes the explanation seem plausible to people who aren't paying closer attention.

I love no matter how slam dunk a story is today the news media seems to find a way to totally screw it up.


In defense of the media, I think they are just slowly learning wtf to do when the president of the US just lies sooooo god damn hard .

You used to be able to run a quote from the president in this country


Yeah, I'd be sympathetic to that thought 3 years ago when Trump was a candidate, but we've had a whole lot of experience at this now and even before Trump there was a lot of journalist neglect is just even handily running things officials said (hi Iraq war).
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MAGA MAN
Profile Joined October 2018
0 Posts
October 15 2018 17:45 GMT
#16955
On October 16 2018 01:59 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 01:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
On October 16 2018 01:25 farvacola wrote:
On October 16 2018 01:23 MAGA MAN wrote:
On October 15 2018 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run.

EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication:
https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21


Why are you so angry about this?


Because she obviously decided to turn this into a political riposte against Trump as a means of launching her presidential campaign, which makes her fair game (see her Twitter rant today). Thus, I'm calling her out on her bullshit. We're this not politically motivated, it would perhaps be a different story.


So I guess you're mad at yourself for utilizing your own heritage as a means of making a political statement that attacks Warren. Glad we got that cleared up.


How can I be mad at myself for pointing out the standard of 1/16 minimum? That's simply fact, not a matter of opinion. Were my test results any less, I promise you I would not claim to be Metis, especially if I were running for office.


Have you tested yourself? If so please show the results. I think you will find getting a "score" of 1/16th metis will be quite the challenge.


I don't have the test results on me, and as much as I'd like to show you them, heck even my Metis card as proof of citizenship, it would be unwise to do so over the internet.
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
October 15 2018 17:47 GMT
#16956
Just for you to know, there is no sign that the french government/Macron (redundancy here, there's nobody thinking in the government) is really concerned by what happened to this journalist. It makes the news, sure, but it looks like our politicians just don't care.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 15 2018 18:11 GMT
#16957
When it comes to the journalist’s death, I don’t know how much is going to be done publicly to address it by EU nations. Whichever politicians are concerned about his death aren’t going to accomplish much by making a big public show about it. But in that same vein, the public isn’t’ super concerned with arms sales and other dealings with SA, so those things could change behind the scenes.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 15 2018 18:12 GMT
#16958
Anyone ever wonder how people like MAGA MAN even find TL? Every now and then, we get a T_D clone who basically screams about the top 5 threads on T_D, goes bananas, then gets banned.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
October 15 2018 18:14 GMT
#16959
On October 16 2018 03:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone ever wonder how people like MAGA MAN even find TL? Every now and then, we get a T_D clone who basically screams about the top 5 threads on T_D, goes bananas, then gets banned.


I am sure there are people who are gamers who get red pilled. Or red pilled people who are also gamers

Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 15 2018 18:18 GMT
#16960
He had to be a previously banned user upset that we were not angry at Warren. They still stalk the thread, unable to post until they create a one day alt to make their shitty opinion known.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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