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On October 15 2018 23:48 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 23:38 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 23:13 MAGA MAN wrote:On October 15 2018 23:04 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. Considering that this entire thing was created because she checked a box when Harvard asked her for her ethnic background, I don’t think she is try go insult you. If anything, Trump and the Right are insulting you by acting like this matters in any way. She's been insisting for ages (without evidence) that she has Cherokee ancestors (even though she cannot name any) flaunting her presumed minority status to gain points within the Dem party. She's a fraud. One of the funniest rebukes I've seen in ages is when an actual descendant of Pochahontas defended Trump. https://news.sky.com/video/digi-180717tu-pocahontas-women-vju-pdmov-11025696 Bro, I’m from MA, I know about Warren and I went through her first and second election campaign. Scott Brown brought it up during his failed re-election campaign because his team found a small referenced to it on her professor’s page at Harvard. She never brought it up herself or referenced it before people attacked her with it. On October 15 2018 23:37 mierin wrote:
I wonder why Warren checked that box in the first place? Could it be she thought she might be treated better if Harvard thought she was a minority instead of white? I doubt it. If Harvard wants a Native American professor, they will just find one and hire them. The motive being checking it was likely that she was filling out her professor profile and just checked the box because it was what she knew to be true. On October 15 2018 23:34 m4ini wrote:
Not entirely sure what the point is in the first place.
Does she get some form of rubber points for having certain ancestors? Could someone point out why people shriek or screech about it? She is white as the driven snow. So people argue, in bad faith, that she checked it off to get preferable treatment at Harvard or be treated as a minority. Because the people making that argument think that being a minority gives you special privileges, or something. It is also an attack that is really hard to disprove or counter, because no one is really specific as to why it is a big deal, only that she is lying and bad because of it. It is like Birtherism. It is just bullshit the right peddles because it keeps their opponents on the back foot, because it has no basis in reality. If she's white as driven snow, then she ought to swallow her lumps and admit to it, rather than insulting our intelligence by claiming 1/1,024 ancestry actually qualifies as being Native American. Maybe in the twilight zone it does, but not in reality!
She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making.
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On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication: https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21
Why are you so angry about this?
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On October 15 2018 23:05 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 14:09 KwarK wrote:
This is just the weirdest timeline. As far as I can tell Proud Boys are an offshoot of the /r/nofap community who believe that online porn is a gateway drug to communism. I was trying to think of a rhetorical more absurd group who could be next in line to gain conservative political relevance but I'm honestly not sure there is one. We might have peaked. Wait so porn leads to communism? I also thought porn was very capitalist. Like its people using their most private assets to turn a profit. This one blows my mind. Now is all masturbation communist or just porn watching masturbation? If me and my wife were to watch porn together to spice things up would this be communist? I'm very confused, there is nothing about porn or masturbation that makes me think communism. I guess if was like a big group masturbation at a theater with porn playing? Assuming it free, or at least no profit is made by the theater owner. On a side note I would love to have some cyber crime expert scrub the computers of the /nofap'rs I feel like their computers would have the most disturbing forms of porn and some serious self hate has lead to this.
Back when I did Google Analytics stuff, my team lead told me that porn sites (tier 1's and tier 2's) accounted for some absurd proportion of internet advertising clicks and impressions. Think it was like 30%.
On October 15 2018 23:48 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 23:38 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 23:13 MAGA MAN wrote:On October 15 2018 23:04 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. Considering that this entire thing was created because she checked a box when Harvard asked her for her ethnic background, I don’t think she is try go insult you. If anything, Trump and the Right are insulting you by acting like this matters in any way. She's been insisting for ages (without evidence) that she has Cherokee ancestors (even though she cannot name any) flaunting her presumed minority status to gain points within the Dem party. She's a fraud. One of the funniest rebukes I've seen in ages is when an actual descendant of Pochahontas defended Trump. https://news.sky.com/video/digi-180717tu-pocahontas-women-vju-pdmov-11025696 Bro, I’m from MA, I know about Warren and I went through her first and second election campaign. Scott Brown brought it up during his failed re-election campaign because his team found a small referenced to it on her professor’s page at Harvard. She never brought it up herself or referenced it before people attacked her with it. On October 15 2018 23:37 mierin wrote:
I wonder why Warren checked that box in the first place? Could it be she thought she might be treated better if Harvard thought she was a minority instead of white? I doubt it. If Harvard wants a Native American professor, they will just find one and hire them. The motive being checking it was likely that she was filling out her professor profile and just checked the box because it was what she knew to be true. On October 15 2018 23:34 m4ini wrote:
Not entirely sure what the point is in the first place.
Does she get some form of rubber points for having certain ancestors? Could someone point out why people shriek or screech about it? She is white as the driven snow. So people argue, in bad faith, that she checked it off to get preferable treatment at Harvard or be treated as a minority. Because the people making that argument think that being a minority gives you special privileges, or something. It is also an attack that is really hard to disprove or counter, because no one is really specific as to why it is a big deal, only that she is lying and bad because of it. It is like Birtherism. It is just bullshit the right peddles because it keeps their opponents on the back foot, because it has no basis in reality. If she's white as driven snow, then she ought to swallow her lumps and admit to it, rather than insulting our intelligence by claiming 1/1,024 ancestry actually qualifies as being Native American to any remotely significant degree. Maybe in the twilight zone it does, but not in reality!
The dude tweeting apparently can't read. This is what the Boston Globe actually says, with the correction being a reference to what 1/2^10 is (because the writer apparently can't math).
Bustamante calculated that Warren’s pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That timing fits Warren’s family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American.
Smith was born in the late 1700s. She identified as white in historical documents, though at the time Indians faced discrimination, and Smith would have had strong incentives to call herself white if possible.
The inherent imprecision of the six-page DNA analysis could provide fodder for Warren’s critics. If her great-great-great-grandmother was Native American, that puts her at 1/32nd American Indian. But the report includes the possibility that she’s just 1/1024th Native American if the ancestor is 10 generations back.
We had a lovely discussion about how statistics and things work just a couple pages ago, too.
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She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making.
She has specifically claimed that her parents were forced to elope because of the problems it caused with the racist side of her father's family. This has now been completely debunked.
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On October 15 2018 23:13 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 23:04 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. Considering that this entire thing was created because she checked a box when Harvard asked her for her ethnic background, I don’t think she is try go insult you. If anything, Trump and the Right are insulting you by acting like this matters in any way. She's been insisting for ages (without evidence) that she has Cherokee ancestors (even though she cannot name any) flaunting her presumed minority status to gain points within the Dem party. She's a fraud. One of the funniest rebukes I've seen in ages is when an actual descendant of Pochahontas defended Trump. https://news.sky.com/video/digi-180717tu-pocahontas-women-vju-pdmov-11025696
So, Chief Sitting Bull, you're 1/32 native American (aka no one cares that you're barely native American). Have you ever used that to take advantage of affirmative action policies?
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On October 15 2018 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication: https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21 Why are you so angry about this?
Probably because Warren is one of the few politicians that are well liked by the general population while also being relatively powerful and well known.
I think the right struggles with how staggeringly unpopular everything they do is, and so you get attacks like this quite commonly?
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On October 16 2018 00:01 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making. She has specifically claimed that her parents were forced to elope because of the problems it caused with the racist side of her father's family. This has now been completely debunked.
How was this debunked?
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On October 16 2018 00:01 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making. She has specifically claimed that her parents were forced to elope because of the problems it caused with the racist side of her father's family. This has now been completely debunked.
Debunked by whom? Her family members who offered mixed accounts of what she was told by her parents, mostly claiming that one side of her family wasn’t really racist. The Catholic side of my family would say they don’t have a problem with protestants. They do, but they wouldn’t admit it.
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On October 16 2018 00:04 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication: https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21 Why are you so angry about this? Probably because Warren is one of the few politicians that are well liked by the general population while also being relatively powerful and well known. I think the right struggles with how staggeringly unpopular everything they do is, and so you get attacks like this quite commonly?
51% approval rating for a Republican president, but our ideas are "staggeringly unpopular." Easy on the hyperbole there, bub. Would I be overstepping myself to suggest this place is practically an echo chamber? Probably not.
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_oct15
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On October 16 2018 00:11 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 00:04 Logo wrote:On October 15 2018 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. EDIT: because of a math error, it turns it she's actually 1/1,024 Native American. What an absolute joke of a vindication: https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1051840505074593792?s=21 Why are you so angry about this? Probably because Warren is one of the few politicians that are well liked by the general population while also being relatively powerful and well known. I think the right struggles with how staggeringly unpopular everything they do is, and so you get attacks like this quite commonly? 51% approval rating for a Republican president, but our ideas are "staggeringly unpopular." Easy on the hyperbole there, bub. Would I be overstepping myself to suggest this place is practically an echo chamber? Probably not. http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_oct15
Don't cherry pick. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Approval/Disapproval
51%/49%
46%/54%
41%/50%
41%/51%
41%/54%
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On October 16 2018 00:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 00:01 MAGA MAN wrote:She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making. She has specifically claimed that her parents were forced to elope because of the problems it caused with the racist side of her father's family. This has now been completely debunked. Debunked by whom? Her family members who offered mixed accounts of what she was told by her parents, mostly claiming that one side of her family wasn’t really racist. The Catholic side of my family would say they don’t have a problem with protestants. They do, but they wouldn’t admit it.
How is it possible for her story to be true is she's as little as 1/1024 Native American? Her father's racist family were THAT meticulous in combing through their ancestry? And you realize the "one-drop rule" is a position held by actual racists, which Leftists are apparently embracing now to defend Warren?
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Also, registered Republicans only represent 26% of the population. Democrats were closer to 29% or so. Much of the country is not affiliated with either party.
On October 16 2018 00:14 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 00:09 Plansix wrote:On October 16 2018 00:01 MAGA MAN wrote:She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making. She has specifically claimed that her parents were forced to elope because of the problems it caused with the racist side of her father's family. This has now been completely debunked. Debunked by whom? Her family members who offered mixed accounts of what she was told by her parents, mostly claiming that one side of her family wasn’t really racist. The Catholic side of my family would say they don’t have a problem with protestants. They do, but they wouldn’t admit it. How is it possible for her story to be true is she's as little as 1/1024 Native American? Her father's racist family were THAT meticulous in combing through their ancestry? And you realize the "one-drop rule" is a position held by actual racists, which Leftists are apparently embracing now to defend Warren?
What are you even talking about? Who are these leftist in MA trying to defeat Warren using the 1 drop rule? And what candidate are they supporting?
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On October 16 2018 00:04 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 00:01 MAGA MAN wrote:She never claimed that, you are either misinformed or lying. She never claimed to be a minority or sought minority status. The only people who give a shit about her checking that box is the Right. She doesn’t even care that much about it. This drama is all of the right’s making. She has specifically claimed that her parents were forced to elope because of the problems it caused with the racist side of her father's family. This has now been completely debunked. How was this debunked?
So if she is 1/32, that means it is unlikely either of her parents were detectably native american.
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On October 16 2018 00:16 Plansix wrote:
Also, registered Republicans only represent 26% of the population. Democrats were closer to 29% or so. Much of the country is not affiliated with either party.
Which means they're either independent, or apathetic to politics entirely. Is 29% of the population much less "staggeringly unpopular" than 26? I suppose if you value 3% difference that highly.
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On October 15 2018 23:25 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 23:17 brian wrote:On October 15 2018 23:13 MAGA MAN wrote:On October 15 2018 23:04 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. Considering that this entire thing was created because she checked a box when Harvard asked her for her ethnic background, I don’t think she is try go insult you. If anything, Trump and the Right are insulting you by acting like this matters in any way. She's been insisting for ages (without evidence) that she has Cherokee ancestors (even though she cannot name any) flaunting her presumed minority status to gain points within the Dem party. She's a fraud. One of the funniest rebukes I've seen in ages is when an actual descendant of Pochahontas defended Trump. https://news.sky.com/video/digi-180717tu-pocahontas-women-vju-pdmov-11025696 she has evidence now, so that would be obviously a lie. where does she flaunt her minority status? and nobody but you gives a shit. 🤷🏻♂️ I dare you to take your own DNA test and have the gall to apply for a treaty card should your results come back equally as ambiguous as Warren's.
to what end? what is your point? she isn’t applying for any benefits of being native american. you’re not making any sense. what are you even saying?
i mean i explicitly said i have no native american ancestry, so me taking the DNA test would obviously be fruitless. lol.
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On October 16 2018 00:18 MAGA MAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 00:16 Plansix wrote:
Also, registered Republicans only represent 26% of the population. Democrats were closer to 29% or so. Much of the country is not affiliated with either party. Which means they're either independent, or apathetic to politics entirely. Is 29% of the population much less "staggeringly unpopular" than 26? I suppose if you value 3% difference that highly.
The President is unpopular by the metric that he never maintained a positive approval rating with the general population. Self identifying Republicans approve of him, but only make up 26% of the total population. These are not complex numbers or concepts, you should really be able to grasp them without people having to spell it out for you.
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On October 16 2018 00:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2018 00:18 MAGA MAN wrote:On October 16 2018 00:16 Plansix wrote:
Also, registered Republicans only represent 26% of the population. Democrats were closer to 29% or so. Much of the country is not affiliated with either party. Which means they're either independent, or apathetic to politics entirely. Is 29% of the population much less "staggeringly unpopular" than 26? I suppose if you value 3% difference that highly. The President is unpopular by the metric that he never maintained a positive approval rating with the general population. Self identifying Republicans approve of him, but only make up 26% of the total population. These are not complex numbers or concepts, you should really be able to grasp them without people having to spell it out for you.
Not to mention the original point wasn't even about the president and the president is reasonably popular as far as high profile GOP politicians go. And it wasn't even about politicians, a lot of left-leaning views on policies (like heath care) are way more popular than the right wing policies.
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On October 16 2018 00:19 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2018 23:25 MAGA MAN wrote:On October 15 2018 23:17 brian wrote:On October 15 2018 23:13 MAGA MAN wrote:On October 15 2018 23:04 Plansix wrote:On October 15 2018 22:57 MAGA MAN wrote:
Wow, so Pocahontas thinks she can insult our intelligence by claiming 1/152 Native American ancestry somehow qualifies as being distinctly Native. As someone with 1/16 Metis ancestry (the minimum amount to qualify in Canada) and a treaty card to prove it, I find this simply laughable. By her logic, everyone in this thread could register as being Native American. Also, how suspicious that she only reveals her DNA test now in light of a presidential run. Considering that this entire thing was created because she checked a box when Harvard asked her for her ethnic background, I don’t think she is try go insult you. If anything, Trump and the Right are insulting you by acting like this matters in any way. She's been insisting for ages (without evidence) that she has Cherokee ancestors (even though she cannot name any) flaunting her presumed minority status to gain points within the Dem party. She's a fraud. One of the funniest rebukes I've seen in ages is when an actual descendant of Pochahontas defended Trump. https://news.sky.com/video/digi-180717tu-pocahontas-women-vju-pdmov-11025696 she has evidence now, so that would be obviously a lie. where does she flaunt her minority status? and nobody but you gives a shit. 🤷🏻♂️ I dare you to take your own DNA test and have the gall to apply for a treaty card should your results come back equally as ambiguous as Warren's. to what end? what is your point? she isn’t applying for any benefits of being native american. you’re not making any sense. what are you even saying?
If Elizabeth Warren ever once tried to use her 1/32 native american ancestry to make a point or convey a message or damn near anything, she is a sham. Her Native American heritage never played an active role in any part of her life, or so I imagine. Her trying to be seen as Native American is also one of the most hilariously pointed examples of the sort of stuff the "anti-PC" crowd see as a problem with Democrats. For Elizabeth Warren to hold on to the distinction/title/whatever also shows she's amazingly tone-deaf and doesn't understand the sorts of fights Democrats can win.
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