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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 20:47:33
September 27 2018 20:46 GMT
#15061
OH NO Graham is asking his own questions instead of Mitchell!

Edit: There it is. Graham cracked.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
September 27 2018 20:46 GMT
#15062
that pause on his personal opinion
© Current year.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 27 2018 20:47 GMT
#15063
--- Nuked ---
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
September 27 2018 20:47 GMT
#15064
On September 28 2018 05:18 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 05:06 Plansix wrote:
On September 28 2018 05:00 nojok wrote:
On September 28 2018 04:57 dankobanana wrote:
On September 28 2018 04:55 nojok wrote:
has appeared out of the blue before Kavanaugh could get an important position. Frightening for your democracy, really.


this is NOT true. it was know while he was on the short list already

That's debatable. Fact is you're dodging the lack of proof which is very very disturbing and most of you formed an opinion just because you don't like Kavanaugh, totally ignoring facts.

There is no way to defend yourself 40 years later against a woman you saw at a party which claims you raped her. It's impossible so you either say stupid things or stay silent but I don't think silence was an option for him as he was summoned to this court.

This is categorically false. You can defend yourself. To start, call for an investigation and hold on the nomination proceedings, saying you don’t want to be nominated under a cloud of suspicion and rumor.

There is only one side of this asking for investigations, the accusers. They want investigations. They want the FBI to look into their past. They asked for it over and over. Brent has not.

It was 40 years ago. It would be lying to expect proof, hell even one day old rapes can't be proven a lot of the time.

Besides I read he already got investigated a lot because of his nomination.

And finally, why so many people are considering him to be guilty?
-Him being rail-roaded means they knew something existed that they needed to get ahead of.
-3 accusers
-claiming to be a perfect boy when there is numerous statements from class mates how he partied and drank.
-Having a list of 65 women to confirm your character way to fast to have done after the allegations became public.
-Ford telling her Therapist 6 years ago.
And probably more that I am not thinking of right now.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 27 2018 20:48 GMT
#15065
On September 28 2018 05:36 plasmidghost wrote:
What a fucking shitshow coming out of Kavanaugh, like others have said, even if it's totally proved that he's 100% innocent of the allegations, his temperament gives me more than enough reason to not support him


You have to understand how a person would respond to these allegations (assuming that he's innocent). It would be inhuman to not react this way. IMO Kavanaugh is just as credible as Ford. I said before that Ford should be heard out, and I think this hearing has accomplished that, especially with the outside counsel questioning Kavanaugh. At this point, you can't put the burden of proof on Kavanaugh, and I'm not sure the evidence is strong enough. A barebones allegation just isn't enough. The best system available is one that minimizes false convictions, and that is why the burden is not on Kavanaugh. True, it's not a court of law, but the principle underlying the burden of proof is simple fairness. I don't think the allegations are grounds to sink Kavanaugh at this point (revenge for Garland is another matter, but that would have to be separate from these allegations).
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
September 27 2018 20:48 GMT
#15066
Welp,
There goes Lindsey Graham
: o )
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
September 27 2018 20:49 GMT
#15067
oh dear lord. W T F
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 27 2018 20:49 GMT
#15068
On September 28 2018 05:46 On_Slaught wrote:
OH NO Graham is asking his own questions instead of Mitchell!

Edit: There it is. Graham cracked.


Well, now we know why they had a woman do most of the questioning.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
September 27 2018 20:49 GMT
#15069
Not one accusation!

Except for all those accusations
: o )
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45051 Posts
September 27 2018 20:50 GMT
#15070
Well, two things we know for certain:
1. Given the dozens of times he's dodged the question, BK clearly doesn't want an FBI investigation.
2. Lindsey Graham has lost his mind.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 27 2018 20:52 GMT
#15071
On September 28 2018 05:46 On_Slaught wrote:
OH NO Graham is asking his own questions instead of Mitchell!

Edit: There it is. Graham cracked.

I'm having a really hard time not making a Graham cracker joke.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
September 27 2018 20:52 GMT
#15072
On September 28 2018 05:21 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 05:15 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 28 2018 05:11 nojok wrote:
On September 28 2018 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On September 28 2018 04:55 nojok wrote:
Did not expect so many mobs on liquid who already made their opinion without any proof.

Fact is there is no proof and the story has appeared out of the blue before Kavanaugh could get an important position. Frightening for your democracy, really.


Have you been sexually assaulted? Because as a person who has, it's not very easy to provide proof you were assaulted in a bathroom, 22 years ago.

Wth is this question?

You just can't provide proof and it's terribly unfair but it mostly means you can't prosecute someone like that. If you just need the lack of proof in either way to accuse someone, it can go terribly wrong.


are you under the impression this is a criminal investigation?

It's almost like a trial without investigation which is what I find very disturbing.
You can thank the GOP for that, they didn't want an FBI investigation that Ford called for.
(probably because they feared what it would find).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 20:52 GMT
#15073
I'm disappointed in Whitehouse. He should be using these 5min to call out Graham on his bullshit.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45051 Posts
September 27 2018 20:53 GMT
#15074
Brett Kavanaugh's high school superlative was the guy who vomited the most after getting drunk. This is not a joke.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
September 27 2018 20:53 GMT
#15075
ok, no way this looks good for Kavanaugh. Weak stomach? "I like beer, do you like beer? which ones?"
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
September 27 2018 20:56 GMT
#15076
I'm cracking up listening to them question him about his high school inside jokes.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
September 27 2018 20:56 GMT
#15077
On September 28 2018 05:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 05:36 plasmidghost wrote:
What a fucking shitshow coming out of Kavanaugh, like others have said, even if it's totally proved that he's 100% innocent of the allegations, his temperament gives me more than enough reason to not support him


You have to understand how a person would respond to these allegations (assuming that he's innocent). It would be inhuman to not react this way. IMO Kavanaugh is just as credible as Ford. I said before that Ford should be heard out, and I think this hearing has accomplished that, especially with the outside counsel questioning Kavanaugh. At this point, you can't put the burden of proof on Kavanaugh, and I'm not sure the evidence is strong enough. A barebones allegation just isn't enough. The best system available is one that minimizes false convictions, and that is why the burden is not on Kavanaugh. True, it's not a court of law, but the principle underlying the burden of proof is simple fairness. I don't think the allegations are grounds to sink Kavanaugh at this point (revenge for Garland is another matter, but that would have to be separate from these allegations).

Yeah, that makes sense, I really shouldn't be letting my personal bias against the Republicans influence my thinking on this
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 20:57 GMT
#15078
Well, the gloves are off for the Republicans. They are done with Mitchell and going full conspiracy theory.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45051 Posts
September 27 2018 20:57 GMT
#15079
On September 28 2018 05:56 youngjiddle wrote:
I'm cracking up listening to them question him about his high school inside jokes.


Like how he made fun of his friend who stuttered when saying words starting with the letter F?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
September 27 2018 21:00 GMT
#15080
On September 28 2018 05:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 05:36 plasmidghost wrote:
What a fucking shitshow coming out of Kavanaugh, like others have said, even if it's totally proved that he's 100% innocent of the allegations, his temperament gives me more than enough reason to not support him


You have to understand how a person would respond to these allegations (assuming that he's innocent). It would be inhuman to not react this way. IMO Kavanaugh is just as credible as Ford. I said before that Ford should be heard out, and I think this hearing has accomplished that, especially with the outside counsel questioning Kavanaugh. At this point, you can't put the burden of proof on Kavanaugh, and I'm not sure the evidence is strong enough. A barebones allegation just isn't enough. The best system available is one that minimizes false convictions, and that is why the burden is not on Kavanaugh. True, it's not a court of law, but the principle underlying the burden of proof is simple fairness. I don't think the allegations are grounds to sink Kavanaugh at this point (revenge for Garland is another matter, but that would have to be separate from these allegations).


I agree. The only problem here is a political one. Trying to make him judge before the "deadline"
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
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