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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Brett "Beers" Kavanaugh. Brett "BeersNTears" Kavanaugh Do note that Trump is on record hating two things: (1) alcohol because it killed his brother (2) men crying BeersNTears KAV is breaking both rules. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:11 nojok wrote: Wth is this question? You just can't provide proof and it's terribly unfair but it mostly means you can't prosecute someone like that. If you just need the lack of proof in either way to accuse someone, it can go terribly wrong. bare in mind this is not a prosecution. the ONLY problem here is that they do not want the investigation because it will delay the nominee. and the reason why thats a problem, because they broke the norm with obama and they expect the same now from the democrats. they've played with children and now they got pissed on (trump pun intended) and are crying about it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:11 nojok wrote: Wth is this question? You just can't provide proof and it's terribly unfair but it mostly means you can't prosecute someone like that. If you just need the lack of proof in either way to accuse someone, it can go terribly wrong. are you under the impression this is a criminal investigation? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12348 Posts
There are no defenses of Kavanaugh that make any sense, you have to ignore reality in order to be on his side. A large amount of political questions function like that. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:06 Plansix wrote: This is categorically false. You can defend yourself. To start, call for an investigation and hold on the nomination proceedings, saying you don’t want to be nominated under a cloud of suspicion and rumor. There is only one side of this asking for investigations, the accusers. They want investigations. They want the FBI to look into their past. They asked for it over and over. Brent has not. It was 40 years ago. It would be lying to expect proof, hell even one day old rapes can't be proven a lot of the time. Besides I read he already got investigated a lot because of his nomination. And finally, why so many people are considering him to be guilty? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:15 Mohdoo wrote: are you under the impression this is a criminal investigation? It's almost like a trial without investigation which is what I find very disturbing. | ||
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:20 Plansix wrote: Yelling at a woman senator problem isn’t the play, my guy. Your mad, we get it. Control your shit. Does anyone find his combative testimony strategy to be effective? It looks bad to me, but I'm curious how it looks to others. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12348 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:18 nojok wrote: It was 40 years ago. It would be lying to expect proof, hell even one day old rapes can't be proven a lot of the time. Besides I read he already got investigated a lot because of his nomination. And finally, why so many people are considering him to be guilty? There are like 5 different non coordinated accusations, the portrayal of the life of Kavanaugh in college painted by the accusers is consistent with what people from his college days described, while the portrayal of the life of Kavanaugh in college painted by Kavanaugh is not consistent, statistically these accusations are more likely to be true than false if you don't add any additional context, now we have added additional context and the accusations are still credible, and on top of all of that, politically it would be great if we could get someone less awful at the highest level of law in the United States for the next 30 years. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:21 nojok wrote: It's almost like a trial without investigation which is what I find very disturbing. Except the guy isnt at risk of going to jail based on this hearing. It's a job interview... why is this so hard for people to understand? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:21 frazzle wrote: Does anyone find his combative testimony strategy to be effective? It looks bad to me, but I'm curious how it looks to others. It is especially horrible after Ford's testimony. Ford clearly convinced a shit load of people, as evidenced by Graham and others. Ford was very successful and it is perhaps possible Kavanaugh hurt himself more. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:18 nojok wrote: It was 40 years ago. It would be lying to expect proof, hell even one day old rapes can't be proven a lot of the time. Besides I read he already got investigated a lot because of his nomination. And finally, why so many people are considering him to be guilty? Literally nothing you said was true. Most folks in this thread don’t think he is guilty. They want a real investigation into the matter. He was not investigated during the nomination process, that isn’t how things work. Ford did tell the white house about her claim when he was on the short list and that should have been sent to the FBI to look into. It was not. You can investigate 40 year old claims to determine basic facts. These claims are not 40 years old. On September 28 2018 05:21 nojok wrote: It's almost like a trial without investigation which is what I find very disturbing. Got great news for you, this is not a trial and never was. It’s a job interview. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:21 nojok wrote: It's almost like a trial without investigation which is what I find very disturbing. The republican and Kavanaugh side is the one that doesn't want an investigation because it would delay the nomination after the midterms. Thus, you get that result. On September 28 2018 05:21 On_Slaught wrote: Am I correct that he never said he wanted an actual investigation? He seems to have parsed his words very carefully. He said he wanted the "hearing" immediately and would do whatever the committee wanted. Did I miss him straight up saying this should be investigated fully? You are correct, I listened very carefully to that part :-) | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:23 On_Slaught wrote: Except the guy isnt at risk of going to jail based on this hearing. It's a job interview... why is this so hard for people to understand? And rest assured, if your response to being asked about alleged criminal activity were as poor as Kavanaugh's at this hearing, you wouldn't get the job either. Not because they thought you were guilty, but because you made yourself look like a loon. | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
The biggest joke here is that this is being set up as a he said vs said thing because Rep. are acting like this is some hard dead line on this. A proper investigation should be carried out. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:28 CobaltBlu wrote: Maybe he thought being angry would make him more convincing but It just makes him look out of control imo. Especially if you compare it with Ford who was emotional at times but respectful and cooperative. Him whining about his 'destroyed family' and the Clinton sour grapes thing doesn't come off well either. It's not like Ford is having a good time doing this. The biggest joke here is that this is being set up as a he said vs said thing because Rep. are acting like this is some hard dead line on this. A proper investigation should be carried out. I'm not convinced the anger is planned; it's like the exact response I'd expect if someone had a life full of entitlement and suddenly had something they felt entitled to pulled away from them. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 28 2018 05:25 Nouar wrote: The republican and Kavanaugh side is the one that doesn't want an investigation because it would delay the nomination after the midterms. Thus, you get that result. You are correct, I listened very carefully to that part :-) There it is again. He refuses to say they should look into this further by questioning Judge. This is clearly his strategy to not ask for more investigation of this. Edit: Oh god he slipped up. He said they should ask Judge. He looked like he immediately regretted saying that. | ||
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