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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On September 24 2018 13:36 On_Slaught wrote: I wonder if anyone is going to ask Kavanaugh about his (and Judge's) yearbook page full of sexual innuendo and drinking references. Even before that we knew he was a party animal via Judge and some Kavanaugh speeches. Seems like just the type of guy who would do exactly what Ford and the other lady said he did, which is to say somebody who gets drunk and aggressive with women. He was part of the same frat that later chanted “no means yes, yes means anal”. While I don’t think literally everyone of those people is a rapist, probably lots of them are. afaik most rape happens by people you know when the victim has been drinking, so these accusations are at least perfectly consistent with what we know about this sort of party culture. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45925 Posts
As much as I favor Beto's platforms over Cruz's, I gotta give Cruz credit. Cruz debated extremely well, and knew exactly what names to drop to make this debate a good fight. Beto debated impressively also, but Cruz was super polished and arguably more strategic. I think Cruz is an awful person with an even worse political agenda, but he came to the stage with plenty of experience and did a good job, despite him literally making shit up and slandering Beto. Unless something drastically changes, I have the feeling that Texas will just stick with the "safer choice" of re-electing the incumbent (Cruz) rather than making the "riskier choice" of voting in a new politician for Senate, especially if the debates are relatively tied. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
you can never conclusively prove it didn't happen, so if your aim is to smear someone, just keep throwing shit at him until something sticks? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On September 24 2018 18:44 gobbledydook wrote: just wondering, what's to stop Dems from continually supplying "victims" of sexual crimes, real or not, in order to derail any candidate that the GOP might wish to confirm? you can never conclusively prove it didn't happen, so if your aim is to smear someone, just keep throwing shit at him until something sticks? There will probably be "victims" of "sexual crimes" brought foreward for as long as the GOP keeps nominating rapists, and for as long as they are shielding the rapist and sex criminal who is president right now. I like how you put "victims" in scare quotes as if the vast majority of sexual assault allegations haven't been true. An enormous number of women are victims of sexual violence every year, and if they bring it up they will be silenced, harassed, people will whine about how mean they are to ruin the reputation of a good man, they will be called sluts who asked for it etc. Did you miss the recent #metoo event or something? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22369 Posts
On September 24 2018 10:43 Introvert wrote: Your right, this was so unlikely and out of left field that they had a prepared list of 65 women to attest to his character.I don't have much time, but let's clear something. Everyone who says "should have picked someone else, like they wanted" is missing the fact that this wasnt part of the perceived problem with Kavanaugh. His problem was documents and the Bush record. Second, this story contains such gems like "In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty. After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, " and " The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. " I think everyone who is named in the story denies it or doesn't recall? Again, a close friend says she was never told. Better be more. And Gorsuch didnt get this because A) he was replacing a conservative already and B) he was pre-MeToo. apparently other reporters were... hesitant. good but of sarcasm + Show Spoiler + oh wait. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2018 18:44 gobbledydook wrote: just wondering, what's to stop Dems from continually supplying "victims" of sexual crimes, real or not, in order to derail any candidate that the GOP might wish to confirm? you can never conclusively prove it didn't happen, so if your aim is to smear someone, just keep throwing shit at him until something sticks? The same thing that prevents them from providing witnesses that prove all GOP nominees are secret alcoholics or kitten kickers: it’s really hard to plan a conspiracy theory like that and not get caught. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
On September 24 2018 19:31 Plansix wrote: The same thing that prevents them from providing witnesses that prove all GOP nominees are secret alcoholics or kitten kickers: it’s really hard to plan a conspiracy theory like that and not get caught. Is it though? Surely just one person could arrange the entire thing pretty easily, maybe with one other person to help contact people etc. I don't think that's the case, but it certainly wouldn't need a huge conspiracy with many potential sources of leaks to be able to organise it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45925 Posts
On September 24 2018 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it though? Surely just one person could arrange the entire thing pretty easily, maybe with one other person to help contact people etc. I don't think that's the case, but it certainly wouldn't need a huge conspiracy with many potential sources of leaks to be able to organise it. Every person contacted is an additional risk for the conspiracy theorist though, either that they might purposely reveal to the press it's fake or that they might accidentally not properly corroborate the fake scandal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2018 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it though? Surely just one person could arrange the entire thing pretty easily, maybe with one other person to help contact people etc. I don't think that's the case, but it certainly wouldn't need a huge conspiracy with many potential sources of leaks to be able to organise it. They would need to find people willing to lie and commit fraud. How do they do that, conduct interviews? Cold call people? And then they could need witnesses to support this fraud. And not have people within Democratic Party find out and tell the press. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On September 24 2018 19:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Every person contacted is an additional risk for the conspiracy theorist though, either that they might purposely reveal to the press it's fake or that they might accidentally not properly corroborate the fake scandal. This: "contact people".. "Hi, we saw on your Facebook profile that you went to school with Kavanaugh. We'll pay you if you testify that he assaulted you" "Who are you?" "Just a concerned citizen" "Fuck off, I'm calling the cops" Whoops... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12461 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On September 24 2018 18:44 gobbledydook wrote: just wondering, what's to stop Dems from continually supplying "victims" of sexual crimes, real or not, in order to derail any candidate that the GOP might wish to confirm? you can never conclusively prove it didn't happen, so if your aim is to smear someone, just keep throwing shit at him until something sticks? I do wonder if you realise how utterly repugnant the sentiment behind this post actually is. The Dems aren't 'supplying' anything; people are coming forward with their story. Their stories might not be true, but the Democrats have literally nothing to do with said stories beyond making them public after being told. Do you even know how hard people get it in the public sphere for coming forward with accusations like this? They're going to be harrassed for years, possibly decades if the allegations actually sink Kavanaugh's appointment. And all for... what? Giving Trump a minor black eye? They won't ruin Kavanaugh's career, he's already been a judge for 30 years and has all the benefits that come with that. And if he's actually guilty he deserves whatever approbation he gets from the public as a result. Not that the women will stop being harrassed for speaking up, of course. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On September 24 2018 21:56 Grumbels wrote: I'll agree it's "unfortunate" that the victims have only come forth decades after, preventing reliable witness testimony, but that's because Kavanaugh is only now in the national spotlight. These sort of sexual assault allegations don't usually lead to criminal penalties even if they are reported immediately, let alone 30 years later. But it does tell you about the sort of person that Kavanaugh is: a creep. For context: She reported it immediately afterwards, and neither police or the school wished to do anything about it. It's not like she just held on to it to for it to have the most damning effect, people literally just didn't care before now. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
(source) SECRETARY OF STATE Mike Pompeo faced internal opposition to U.S. support for the war in Yemen from State Department staff, according to a recent report. The staffers had become concerned by the rising civilian death toll in the war being carried out by Persian Gulf monarchies, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — not only owing to bombings of densely populated areas, but also a humanitarian crisis exacerbated by the fighting, with up to 8.4 million people at risk of starvation. Those concerns, however, were overruled after Pompeo discussed the matter with the State Department’s legislative affairs team. The legislative affairs staff, according to the Wall Street Journal, argued that restricting U.S. support would endanger billions of dollars in future weapons sales, including a massive sale of precision-guided munitions between Raytheon, a U.S. weapons manufacturer, and Saudi Arabia and the UAE. That staff — the legislative affairs team at the State Department — is led by a former Raytheon lobbyist. Before his presidential appointment last June, Acting Assistant Secretary of State Charles Faulkner was paid handsomely by Raytheon to lobby lawmakers on defense procurement issues, ethics records show. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The Left's weaponization of the #MeToo movement is criminal. The feckless right allowed them to use and win with it against Roy Moore. Now ANY and ALL men they oppose will be attacked under this new method. And the media will push and propagate it. Destruction of a society. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/8a5ltrc4o2o11.png) Democrats don't care about the truth, only whether the allegations serve to grant them more power over their opposition. The real victims here are not "Dr." Ford or Ms. Ramirez. The real victims are these three.[picture of Kavanaugh's daughters] + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/lvizy7fld4o11.png) Liberals waking up this morning to find out they're *OFFICIALLY* the party of "Politically Timed Rape Accusations" Politically timed rape accusations ignite and pill "war on boys" moms. Keep it up Dems, you'll have no friends left. THIS MOTHERFUCKER CALLED FOR CANCELLATION OF THE THURSDAY HEARING [Feinstein] The face of EVIL. Dianne Feinstein knew Christine Blasey Ford was lying. She also knew that all 4 of the “eye witnesses” denied witnessing ANY of Ford’s claims. Dianne Feinstein knowingly allowed an innocent man be called a RAPIST & his family threatened. A special place in... They over-used this dirty trick. Now, it has lost all power. I don't believe them anymore. I may never believe another accusation for the rest if my life. The best friend of Ramirez tells Ronan Farrow of Ramirez: “this is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.” Re-Run: Not a SINGLE person this new "accuser" says was present at this "allegation" 35+ years ago SAYS IT OCCURRED. NOT A ONE! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://imgur.com/MUCJPu6) ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! CONFIRM KAVANAUGH NOW!!!!!!!!!! New liar Deborah Ramirez now says that at Yale in the 1980s Kavanaugh 'exposed himself' and 'slapped her face with his privates'. BREAKING: Third accuser comes forward, claims Brett Kavanaugh and her grew close, exchanged "rings" in "ceremony," even carried two children to term and gave birth! NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post passed on Ronan Farrow's Kavanaugh accuser story because reporters felt uneasy about the facts. Think about that: NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post all passed on a story that could've made Trump/Kavanugh look bad As a bonus, here is a particularly idiotic comment exchange. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
On September 24 2018 19:56 Plansix wrote: They would need to find people willing to lie and commit fraud. How do they do that, conduct interviews? Cold call people? And then they could need witnesses to support this fraud. And not have people within Democratic Party find out and tell the press. On September 24 2018 19:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Every person contacted is an additional risk for the conspiracy theorist though, either that they might purposely reveal to the press it's fake or that they might accidentally not properly corroborate the fake scandal. On September 24 2018 20:03 Acrofales wrote: This: "contact people".. "Hi, we saw on your Facebook profile that you went to school with Kavanaugh. We'll pay you if you testify that he assaulted you" "Who are you?" "Just a concerned citizen" "Fuck off, I'm calling the cops" Whoops... All fair points. I didn't think that one through really. | ||
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