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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 16:05:37
September 24 2018 16:03 GMT
#14461
A few more details on the Rosenstein stuff:

"@PeteWilliamsNBC reports on @MSNBC that Rod Rosenstein is on his way to the White House. He has been summoned to the W.H. The W.H. is saying Rosenstein will resign. But it's Pete's understanding that he will not resign and that if the W.H. wants him out, he'll have to be fired."
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 24 2018 16:06 GMT
#14462
On September 25 2018 00:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I just read an AP report that Rosenstein was actually heading to the white house knowingly he was going to be fired, so there's news reports that he resigned, but then there's reports that he's going to get fired. Either way, if he did actually resign, doesn't that mean the WH can put a body in his place? Having implications on the investigation now?

I will be very surprised of Rosenstein resigns. The only way he would do that is if he needs to serve as a witness and thus recuse himself.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 24 2018 16:12 GMT
#14463
Yea, it's just there were a ton of reports out that he "resigned" before it anything happened?... Now I'm seeing reports update to "he's visiting the WH".

I wonder what's actually going on.
Life?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 24 2018 16:14 GMT
#14464
A bunch of people at the White House claimed that they finally got him and he was going to resign. Some outlets picked up that story and reporters who don’t jump the gun did some fact checking. So now we know it’s a meeting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
September 24 2018 16:29 GMT
#14465
On September 24 2018 22:35 Grumbels wrote:
This is a collection of headlines from the pro-Trump subreddit, it's just the front page with only a handful of omissions. This is what they're obsessed with right now. Read this and tell me if you think that these people would give any accuser a fair hearing.

+ Show Spoiler +

The Left's weaponization of the #MeToo movement is criminal. The feckless right allowed them to use and win with it against Roy Moore. Now ANY and ALL men they oppose will be attacked under this new method. And the media will push and propagate it. Destruction of a society.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Democrats don't care about the truth, only whether the allegations serve to grant them more power over their opposition.

The real victims here are not "Dr." Ford or Ms. Ramirez. The real victims are these three.[picture of Kavanaugh's daughters]

+ Show Spoiler +

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Liberals waking up this morning to find out they're *OFFICIALLY* the party of "Politically Timed Rape Accusations"

Politically timed rape accusations ignite and pill "war on boys" moms. Keep it up Dems, you'll have no friends left.

THIS MOTHERFUCKER CALLED FOR CANCELLATION OF THE THURSDAY HEARING [Feinstein]

The face of EVIL. Dianne Feinstein knew Christine Blasey Ford was lying. She also knew that all 4 of the “eye witnesses” denied witnessing ANY of Ford’s claims. Dianne Feinstein knowingly allowed an innocent man be called a RAPIST & his family threatened. A special place in...

They over-used this dirty trick. Now, it has lost all power. I don't believe them anymore. I may never believe another accusation for the rest if my life.

The best friend of Ramirez tells Ronan Farrow of Ramirez: “this is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.”

Re-Run: Not a SINGLE person this new "accuser" says was present at this "allegation" 35+ years ago SAYS IT OCCURRED. NOT A ONE!

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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! CONFIRM KAVANAUGH NOW!!!!!!!!!! New liar Deborah Ramirez now says that at Yale in the 1980s Kavanaugh 'exposed himself' and 'slapped her face with his privates'.

BREAKING: Third accuser comes forward, claims Brett Kavanaugh and her grew close, exchanged "rings" in "ceremony," even carried two children to term and gave birth!

NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post passed on Ronan Farrow's Kavanaugh accuser story because reporters felt uneasy about the facts. Think about that: NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post all passed on a story that could've made Trump/Kavanugh look bad




As a bonus, here is a particularly idiotic comment exchange.


That was a sad exchange, but I think this comment encapsulates the mentality of the forum perfectly:

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That's because T-D is used as a testing ground for 'new ideas' by the GOP due to its enormous right-leaning user base and popularity.


They seemingly think they are the most important people in the world. So important in fact that GOP leadership themselves goes there for advice. They completely fail to recognise that in the grand scheme of things they are just a tiny breeding ground for conspiracy theories, false information, circle jerks, bots and trolls. That said, while perspective is certainly something a large portion of Republicans are lacking these days I don't think these guys represent how the regular everyday republican behaves or thinks of any given situation... but that could just be me being naive I guess.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 16:31:12
September 24 2018 16:30 GMT
#14466
On September 25 2018 01:14 Plansix wrote:
A bunch of people at the White House claimed that they finally got him and he was going to resign. Some outlets picked up that story and reporters who don’t jump the gun did some fact checking. So now we know it’s a meeting.


Seems like it was discussed over the weekend but he did not resign, but that caused speculation. Seems like he expects to be fired for not resigning basically.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 24 2018 16:33 GMT
#14467
A report said that he is in a state of quantum (un)employment.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
September 24 2018 16:34 GMT
#14468
They can't lie about him resigning forever, sounds like this is all gonna blow up

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 24 2018 16:35 GMT
#14469
Schrodinger's Deptuy AG. Both fired and not fired, and both resigning and not resigning, at once.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 16:41:55
September 24 2018 16:41 GMT
#14470
WTF is going on... now he is back to doing his normal job? He wasn't fired and did not resign? Did they just meet to discuss the Redskins?

Source:
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 16:48:12
September 24 2018 16:47 GMT
#14471
Perhaps John Kelly knows this might be the straw that breaks the camels back, McConnell and Ryan could easily prevent this from exploding by passing a protection for Mueller yet haven't and won't.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 24 2018 16:53 GMT
#14472
Trump has no spine. He will make people resign, but he is to chicken shit to fire people after Comey.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
September 24 2018 16:58 GMT
#14473
Maybe Kelly told him "Trump wants me to fire you, but he can go suck it. If he wants you fired, he should have the balls to do the job himself. Go back to your office and do your job"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 17:04:45
September 24 2018 17:03 GMT
#14474
I have also double checked, Deputy AG is a political appointee, which the Senate confirms. Trump would have to appoint a new DAG if he fired Rosenstein, which would likely get a lot of push back from the Senate. I also think there is a lot of wishful thinking by folks in the White House who see Rosenstein as a way to kill the Meuller investigation.

Edit: Apparently we are back on for Thursday. So prepare your best Rod Puns for that day. Spare the Rod is already taken, so be original.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 17:07:31
September 24 2018 17:07 GMT
#14475
Thursday is also the Kavanaugh hearing. Perhaps Sept 27 can become National Consitutional Crisis Day if things go off the rails as they likely will.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 24 2018 17:17 GMT
#14476
On September 25 2018 02:03 Plansix wrote:
I have also double checked, Deputy AG is a political appointee, which the Senate confirms. Trump would have to appoint a new DAG if he fired Rosenstein, which would likely get a lot of push back from the Senate. I also think there is a lot of wishful thinking by folks in the White House who see Rosenstein as a way to kill the Meuller investigation.

Edit: Apparently we are back on for Thursday. So prepare your best Rod Puns for that day. Spare the Rod is already taken, so be original.


Wait, what is back on for Thursday?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 24 2018 17:21 GMT
#14477
On September 25 2018 02:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 02:03 Plansix wrote:
I have also double checked, Deputy AG is a political appointee, which the Senate confirms. Trump would have to appoint a new DAG if he fired Rosenstein, which would likely get a lot of push back from the Senate. I also think there is a lot of wishful thinking by folks in the White House who see Rosenstein as a way to kill the Meuller investigation.

Edit: Apparently we are back on for Thursday. So prepare your best Rod Puns for that day. Spare the Rod is already taken, so be original.


Wait, what is back on for Thursday?

There is a second meeting with Trump, where he will like not fire Rosenstein because he is chicken shit. The meeting itself is pretty inappropriate by DOJ standards. In general the President stays away from the DOJ to avoid tainting any cases they might be working on. But this is Trump and he doesn't respect tje rule of law, so he is going to break that unspoken rule.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 17:25:21
September 24 2018 17:21 GMT
#14478
On September 25 2018 02:07 On_Slaught wrote:
Thursday is also the Kavanaugh hearing. Perhaps Sept 27 can become National Consitutional Crisis Day if things go off the rails as they likely will.


You know what a funny tie-in to Watergate is? As part of the Saturday Night Massacre, the AG and DAG both resigned in protest, then it became the job of the Solicitor General, Robert Bork, to fire Special Counsel Archibald Cox. Robert Bork was the original nominee for the seat Anthony Kennedy got, but he got voted down by the Senate for his role in Watergate (allegedly, he'd been promised the nomination in exchange for firing Cox). Then he was salty about it and resigned from his spot on the DC Circuit.

Also, this is where the term "to bork" comes from.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 17:33:42
September 24 2018 17:33 GMT
#14479
On September 25 2018 02:03 Plansix wrote:
I have also double checked, Deputy AG is a political appointee, which the Senate confirms. Trump would have to appoint a new DAG if he fired Rosenstein, which would likely get a lot of push back from the Senate. I also think there is a lot of wishful thinking by folks in the White House who see Rosenstein as a way to kill the Meuller investigation.

Edit: Apparently we are back on for Thursday. So prepare your best Rod Puns for that day. Spare the Rod is already taken, so be original.


Deputy AG is a political appointee, which the Senate confirms. Trump would have to appoint a new DAG if he fired Rosenstein, which would likely get a lot of push back from the Senate.


No need for senate confirmation if Rosenstein was to resign which is why it's particularly concerning that the white house would lie about it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 24 2018 18:02 GMT
#14480
My prediction: Trump told Kelly to ask Rosenstein to resign so that they can bypass the Senate confirmation hearing for a successor. Kelly didn't exactly try hard to make him resign. Trump says "yeah well let me talk to him and I'll get him to resign", which will now happen Thursday. Rosenstein will refuse and upset Trump to the point where Trump "fires" Rosenstein, even though he can't legally.
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