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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 21 2018 00:10 GMT
#14281
On September 21 2018 02:37 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2018 02:30 JimmiC wrote:
In some good press for Trump, people from both sides have been impressed with his handling of the accusations in regards to SCOTUS nomination. He has been respectful and not gone on the attack. You don't read a lot of positive about him on CNN. And the title is a bit of a underhanded compliment but still overall positive.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/politics/donald-trump-kavanaugh-accuser/index.html
Has the bar fallen so low that we must now congratulate the President on not setting his own SC nominee on fire?
Not so long ago 'being respectful' was considered the default position.

It's like people saying he should get a participation trophy for being remotely presidential.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 21 2018 03:17 GMT
#14282
On September 21 2018 07:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2018 06:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
Is it me or is it kind of weird the Republicans are hiring an outside party to help question a SCOTUS nominee and his accuser?
As someone mentioned earlier, Republican Senators demonizing Ford on national tv is horrible optics so they might want an outsider to have an escape for public backlash.


I mean it's absurd that they're bringing in someone (who is obviously going to be super partisan) from the private sector to handle a crucial part of this confirmation process. This is the Republicans virtually abdicating/ outsourcing their responsibility to vet judicial nominees. Maybe they think the optics are less bad, but I don't.
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-21 04:29:27
September 21 2018 04:27 GMT
#14283
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
September 21 2018 05:25 GMT
#14284
Yeah, surprisingly, capitalizing on human stupidity is the best way to reach success.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 21 2018 06:20 GMT
#14285
On September 21 2018 13:27 pmh wrote:
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.


Do you have a link to this event? I actually can't find a single mention of it on Google based on the date range you provided.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
September 21 2018 06:43 GMT
#14286
copy-paste his words and found https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/09/brad-parscale-says-trump-campaign-used-facebook-to-beat-clinton.html , it's an article from last year thou
He pointed to the Trump campaign having Facebook employees "embedded inside our offices" to explain how to use the platform to target voters. Parscale wanted Trump-supporting Facebook employees to offer guidance, and the company already had divisions "set up" by political affiliation, he said.

Parscale said he "heard" Clinton's campaign got the same offer but did not accept it.

In a statement, Facebook said it offered the campaigns "identical support" and had teams assigned to both Trump and Clinton. "Everyone had access to the same tools," the company said, adding that it did not let campaigns "hand pick" employees or assign its workers full time to Trump or Clinton.

"Both campaigns approached things differently and used different amounts of support," Facebook said.

CNBC could not immediately reach former Clinton campaign officials for comment.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2018 11:04 GMT
#14287
Trumps campaign may have capitalized on using its, but a lot of factor go into winning an election. And it’s not clear if Facebook would have had the same reach to democrats. But Trumps teams has always felt it was key to their victory.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-21 11:09:12
September 21 2018 11:05 GMT
#14288
On September 21 2018 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2018 05:59 Grumbels wrote:
On September 21 2018 05:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 20 2018 18:32 Grumbels wrote:
On September 20 2018 14:34 schaf wrote:
Wouldn't it be favourable to build a broad political coalition against the Venezuelan government? Military action will not lead to a positive outcome in my opinion but showing the people of that country that not only evil America but in fact Europe, Asia and their neighbouring countries have the same stance on Maduro should erode his support.

And as to the prime directive: it's not an alien civilisation contacted for the first time. That should be obvious.

It also doesn't apply to the situation because the US government (especially under Trump) is clearly not well intentioned.

By the way, I found this article the other day which claims that the US and Saudis collaborated to flood the oil market in order to "crash" the Russian and Iranian economies. One of the results was the collapse of the Venezuelan economy, since 96% of its exports consists of oil.

I was reading about US-Venezuela relations and supposedly they're not quite so bad as they're sometimes claimed to be. 40% of its oil is exported to the US. And more of its population would view the US favorably than not. There wasn't anything comparable to the economic embargo against Cuba. I would speculate this is related to oil imports and the danger of disrupting this relationship. Venezuela has the world's largest proven oil reserves.

But the relationship has drastically worsened since the Maduro presidency. There have been new sanctions, and there has been talk of invasion. John Bolton joined the administration and he is an advocate of some sort of regime change. And the US has become drastically less dependent on Venezuelan oil imports.

I wouldn't buy the 'oil conspiracy' line. US production increased in response to new technology and high prices (remember $100+ oil?). These are private producers too, so I'm not sure how the US gov would be pushing production higher anyways.

It's also not just price that hurt Venezuela. PDVSA was terribly managed by Chavez / Maduro. Oil output fell from something like 2.5M barrels per day to sub 2M. So they got whacked twice - both price and volume. Don't even get me started on what that would mean for margins.

It’s about the Saudis increasing production, not the USA.

But it's the US that's been increasing production...

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html

Show nested quote +
For the first time since 1973, the United States is the world's largest producer of crude oil, according to preliminary estimates published on Wednesday by the Energy Department.
...
The EIA expects US oil production to stay ahead of Russia and Saudi Arabia through 2019.


Saudi oil production has been relatively stable over the past few decades.

It's not about long-term production, it's about tactically flooding the market with cheap oil in order to drive up or drive down the oil price for some financial or geo-political purpose.

+ Show Spoiler [oil prices] +

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Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4402 Posts
September 21 2018 12:16 GMT
#14289
On September 21 2018 13:27 pmh wrote:
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.

Not as powerful as it used to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18246 Posts
September 21 2018 14:01 GMT
#14290
On September 21 2018 13:27 pmh wrote:
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.

I can't find any news about this anywhere. I even looked at the Congress calendar and they were out all week for "district work"... so I really doubt this happened. Calling #fake news.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9794 Posts
September 21 2018 14:15 GMT
#14291
On September 21 2018 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2018 13:27 pmh wrote:
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.

I can't find any news about this anywhere. I even looked at the Congress calendar and they were out all week for "district work"... so I really doubt this happened. Calling #fake news.


Its old news from October 9th last year.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18246 Posts
September 21 2018 14:45 GMT
#14292
On September 21 2018 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2018 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
On September 21 2018 13:27 pmh wrote:
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.

I can't find any news about this anywhere. I even looked at the Congress calendar and they were out all week for "district work"... so I really doubt this happened. Calling #fake news.


Its old news from October 9th last year.

Ok, found something similar: https://mashable.com/2017/10/10/clinton-facebook-ad-tools-and-the-election/?europe=true

It's not at all clear the democrats delined the support, or how far the support went. Facebook and the Trump campaign guy are saying different things. Obviously Facebook is happy to sell training sessions on how to work with their tools, lol. Maybe the Clinton campaign figured they already knew how to do that, or just got "basic training" because they already had the data analytics part down. What is clear, however, is that the democrats didn't have access to the Cambridge Analytics data.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2018 15:02 GMT
#14293
On September 21 2018 23:45 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2018 23:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On September 21 2018 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
On September 21 2018 13:27 pmh wrote:
Facebook manager testified in congress today about the us 2016 elections.
Facebook had offered both candidates identical support. Trumps campaign accepted and Hillary,s campaign denied.
Amongst other things they explained how messages get the most exposure,next elections they wont offer this extensive support anymore. A trump campaign manager aparently said that without facebook they would have never won.

Facebook is very powerful. Maybe more powerful then all the newspapers of the world combined. Its good they did gave both candidates the same support and why the democrats declined is difficult to understand. Maybe they wanted to win the election "fair" though most likely they underestimated facebook or thought they could figure it out themselves. Its a bit of a weird mistake,since the younger generation in general is one of the democrats bigger target groups.

Anyway,facebook. What a company,its genious. Even if it wont generate massive add revenue they have so much more to offer.

I can't find any news about this anywhere. I even looked at the Congress calendar and they were out all week for "district work"... so I really doubt this happened. Calling #fake news.


Its old news from October 9th last year.

Ok, found something similar: https://mashable.com/2017/10/10/clinton-facebook-ad-tools-and-the-election/?europe=true

It's not at all clear the democrats delined the support, or how far the support went. Facebook and the Trump campaign guy are saying different things. Obviously Facebook is happy to sell training sessions on how to work with their tools, lol. Maybe the Clinton campaign figured they already knew how to do that, or just got "basic training" because they already had the data analytics part down. What is clear, however, is that the democrats didn't have access to the Cambridge Analytics data.

This part matters a lot. The Mercers(who's team ran Trumps general election push)had doubled down on targeted ads and other systems using Facebook from elections in the past. And did so by obtaining information in violation of their contract with Facebook. Cambridge Analytics is a UK company that opened up a shell company in the US to work on US elections, which is also less than above board. The whole thing was years in the making and not something anyone who was concerned with even the appearance of violate election laws would have gotten involved with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-21 15:22:55
September 21 2018 15:19 GMT
#14294
BTW McConnell came out and said that Kavanaugh will be the next Justice in the near future, so fuck the hearing I guess since he clearly doesn't give a shit if what she says is true. That slime piece of shit will go in the history books for the irreparable damage he has done to our Senate's processes.

On the topic of the hearing, Ford has some interesting demands:
1. Cant be on Monday. Her team proposes Thursday.
2. Ford cant be in the same room as Kavanaugh.
3. Ford must be made to feel safe.
4. No outside counsel to ask questions; she wants the Senators asking to not create the appearance of a trial.
5. The committee should subpoena Mark Judge.
6. Kavanaugh should testify before Ford.

Of those 6, only the first 3, per CNN, are must haves for Ford. That's good because they are the most likely to be agreed to. Word is 6 has already been rejected and will not be permitted, which makes sense. The big question marks are on 4 and 5. I dont think they subpoena anyone. Dunno about the attorney thing. Senate will respond to her today I believe.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 21 2018 16:00 GMT
#14295
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2018 16:21 GMT
#14296
Judge has literally zero skin in the game. Currently, they both deny ever having been to the party. If that changes under oath, that would throw the entire defense of "it never happened" into question.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2018 16:41 GMT
#14297
On another note: The 3d printed gun guy was arrested in Taiwan in connection with charges that he slept with an underage girl.

Source

Source on the charges

Now, some will argue that these charges were pinned up him because he is fighting the system and for the rights of idiots who want to shoot plastic zip guns. But the story surrounding the charges have him, the girl and his car on video at all the locations decided to sleep with an underage girl. He even put the room under his name. So the reality is that Cody Wilson was always a staggering idiot, which is why he was trying to sell 3D printed zip guns.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 21 2018 16:49 GMT
#14298
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-21 16:59:03
September 21 2018 16:58 GMT
#14299
On September 22 2018 01:49 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:
On another note: The 3d printed gun guy was arrested in Taiwan in connection with charges that he slept with an underage girl.

Source

Source on the charges

Now, some will argue that these charges were pinned up him because he is fighting the system and for the rights of idiots who want to shoot plastic zip guns. But the story surrounding the charges have him, the girl and his car on video at all the locations decided to sleep with an underage girl. He even put the room under his name. So the reality is that Cody Wilson was always a staggering idiot, which is why he was trying to sell 3D printed zip guns.

I'm on the fence on how I feel about these plastic 3d guns. Id on't see how they are worse than regular guns? And I find the hypocrisy of the NRA in regards to them pretty enlightening. I mean if you are "right to bear arms" person and personal liberty and all that, these should be seen as a step in the right direction. If say you are only about gun manufactures profits, then these are of course horrible.


They are too accessible to the point where they can bypass many gun regulations, they are more difficult to detect being mostly plastic, and they may undercut the big gun producers' sales (no doubt the biggest reason the NRA is opposed).
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
September 21 2018 17:00 GMT
#14300
On September 22 2018 01:49 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:
On another note: The 3d printed gun guy was arrested in Taiwan in connection with charges that he slept with an underage girl.

Source

Source on the charges

Now, some will argue that these charges were pinned up him because he is fighting the system and for the rights of idiots who want to shoot plastic zip guns. But the story surrounding the charges have him, the girl and his car on video at all the locations decided to sleep with an underage girl. He even put the room under his name. So the reality is that Cody Wilson was always a staggering idiot, which is why he was trying to sell 3D printed zip guns.

I'm on the fence on how I feel about these plastic 3d guns. Id on't see how they are worse than regular guns? And I find the hypocrisy of the NRA in regards to them pretty enlightening. I mean if you are "right to bear arms" person and personal liberty and all that, these should be seen as a step in the right direction. If say you are only about gun manufactures profits, then these are of course horrible.


Cutting the middle man out of sovereign citizens' right to protect themselves from an oppressive government is extremely in-line with this kinda Cletus thinking. The idea that 3D printing guns isn't consistent with the wanna-be militia bullshit the NRA and their Cletus sheep peddle is hilarious. This is exactly what they always preach. But now the manufacturers are being cut out. Suddenly its a different story. lollllllllllllllllll
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