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On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways.
No, it's definitely capitalism. The systematic exploitation of labor and concentration of it's profits towards a small minority of people is the problem, not solar power and computers.
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Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy.
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On August 06 2018 01:16 Gahlo wrote:Seems we've progressed to the "It did happen, but it's not bad." stage.
This is a signed confession and nobody on the right is going to care.
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On August 06 2018 06:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 04:53 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 04:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 06 2018 04:14 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 06 2018 00:42 Mohdoo wrote:
It blows my mind how people who have defended Trump throughout this whole thing don't ever stop to think "wait, Trump originally said this was about adoptions. Now we know it was 100% about Clinton dirt. Why did he originally lie? I wonder if he actually did something bad" Because they don’t care about any of it. They would support Voldemort if he pushed a conservative agenda. I believe that when people don’t ever call foul on their own side anymore, democracy is in pretty grave danger but that’s clearly not everyone’s thought. I'm not sure that Trump is pushing the conservative agenda. I think they support him for other reasons. The point is that if you are ready to support a horrible person with no norals whatsoever to get what you want politically, you don’t really deserve to live in a democracy. Holding our politicians accountable to a certain standard should be the bottom line of being a responsible citizen. I don't disagree with this, but it is not a left/right or a dem/rep thing. All sides ahve done a shitty job of holding their own side accountable. It is far easier to point fingers the other way. not all sides have done an equally bad job at it though. the left has done a markedly better job at it than the right. it really is a dem/rep thing. just because it's true that both sides do poorly at it, and that it's easier to point fingers at the other side; doesn't mean there isn't in fact a real difference in the degree to which each side has held its own members accountable. In this part of the world that might be true. Globally they are both pretty bad. The left has never really had power in US to see.
I don't have data globally, and wouldn't be surprised if it was equally bad globally; but globally isn't that pertinent here, as the context and identity of the thread establish it's about US politics.
The US left has had power; it might be different than other areas "left"; but I'm not sure that means it shouldn't count as a "left" just because it doesn't match some other locations left/right standards.
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On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways.
Technological development is how capitalism at this stage of its development continues to sustain itself - the two can't be entangled.
And yes, the idea that the NSA or whatever has been infiltrated by 'globalists' literally makes no sense unless you believe it's the Jews
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On August 06 2018 05:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 01:16 Gahlo wrote:Seems we've progressed to the "It did happen, but it's not bad." stage. This is a signed confession and nobody on the right is going to care.
Yeah, he just admitted something that everyone in his camp has been trying to deny for the last year. And now they're trying to make it work by saying "no, actually he didn't know about it when it happened, that previous report that makes this one look really, really bad was just bad information".
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On August 06 2018 07:04 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 06:14 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 06:01 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 04:53 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 04:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 06 2018 04:14 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 06 2018 00:42 Mohdoo wrote:
It blows my mind how people who have defended Trump throughout this whole thing don't ever stop to think "wait, Trump originally said this was about adoptions. Now we know it was 100% about Clinton dirt. Why did he originally lie? I wonder if he actually did something bad" Because they don’t care about any of it. They would support Voldemort if he pushed a conservative agenda. I believe that when people don’t ever call foul on their own side anymore, democracy is in pretty grave danger but that’s clearly not everyone’s thought. I'm not sure that Trump is pushing the conservative agenda. I think they support him for other reasons. The point is that if you are ready to support a horrible person with no norals whatsoever to get what you want politically, you don’t really deserve to live in a democracy. Holding our politicians accountable to a certain standard should be the bottom line of being a responsible citizen. I don't disagree with this, but it is not a left/right or a dem/rep thing. All sides ahve done a shitty job of holding their own side accountable. It is far easier to point fingers the other way. not all sides have done an equally bad job at it though. the left has done a markedly better job at it than the right. it really is a dem/rep thing. just because it's true that both sides do poorly at it, and that it's easier to point fingers at the other side; doesn't mean there isn't in fact a real difference in the degree to which each side has held its own members accountable. In this part of the world that might be true. Globally they are both pretty bad. The left has never really had power in US to see. I don't have data globally, and wouldn't be surprised if it was equally bad globally; but globally isn't that pertinent here, as the context and identity of the thread establish it's about US politics. The US left has had power; it might be different than other areas "left"; but I'm not sure that means it shouldn't count as a "left" just because it doesn't match some other locations left/right standards. That is always a interesting discussion. Whether or not the Dems are "left". They are left of the Rep's but out of for example Canada's 3 dominate parties they would be right of 2 for sure and very close on the last.
We can have it, though it seem straightforward to me: the dems are left, relative to the US. Canada is to the left of the US. This is the US politics thread; so we use the left/right axes of the US by default. In a Canada thread, we use the Canadian standards; in an EU thread we use the EU standards.
left/right are more relative terms than absolute ones. If you're going to use them in an absolute sense then you'd need to specify which standards you're using (especially since they wouldn't be the standard applied by default in an american political discussion).
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On August 06 2018 07:21 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways. Technological development is how capitalism at this stage of its development continues to sustain itself - the two can't be entangled. And yes, the idea that the NSA or whatever has been infiltrated by 'globalists' literally makes no sense unless you believe it's the Jews
(I'm assuming you typoed and meant disentangled)
I disagree; I think the two can be sufficiently disentangled for it to be a useful and clear point that the changing in the social fabric due to changes in industry is a result of technological changes foremost, though capitalism also has some effect on it in pushin the changes forward rather than sticking with economic waste for the sake of social order.
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On August 06 2018 07:47 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 07:21 kollin wrote:On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways. Technological development is how capitalism at this stage of its development continues to sustain itself - the two can't be entangled. And yes, the idea that the NSA or whatever has been infiltrated by 'globalists' literally makes no sense unless you believe it's the Jews (I'm assuming you typoed and meant disentangled) I disagree; I think the two can be sufficiently disentangled for it to be a useful and clear point that the changing in the social fabric due to changes in industry is a result of technological changes foremost, though capitalism also has some effect on it in pushin the changes forward rather than sticking with economic waste for the sake of social order.
I did, the perils of using a phone to post. I think the rapidity of innovation would be nowhere near what it is now without the impetus for growth that capitalism demands - that innovation not just being technological, but also in terms of 'more efficient' company organisation or whatever that results in people losing their jobs. The pace at which modern life is altering and the demands of the free market are closely related, and is, really, the key contradiction at the heart of American neoconservativism.
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On August 06 2018 07:21 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways. Technological development is how capitalism at this stage of its development continues to sustain itself - the two can't be entangled. And yes, the idea that the NSA or whatever has been infiltrated by 'globalists' literally makes no sense unless you believe it's the Jews
Your first statement doesn't make sense even if I presume you mean disentangled. In that we can certainly have technology without capitalism. That capitalism exploits technology and couldn't exist without isn't really relevant to my point.
EDIT: I was just being charitable to the whole "globalist" view, it's mostly incoherent nonsense.
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On August 06 2018 08:12 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 07:21 kollin wrote:On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways. Technological development is how capitalism at this stage of its development continues to sustain itself - the two can't be entangled. And yes, the idea that the NSA or whatever has been infiltrated by 'globalists' literally makes no sense unless you believe it's the Jews Your first statement doesn't make sense even if I presume you mean disentangled. In that we can certainly have technology without capitalism. That capitalism exploits technology and couldn't exist without isn't really relevant to my point. EDIT: I was just being charitable to the whole "globalist" view, it's mostly incoherent nonsense.
Of course we can have technology without capitalism. Rapid technological advancement geared towards profit, which is what the 'creative destruction' part of my post was in reference to (among other advancements)? It is this that you can't avoid under capitalism, because technological advancement is the driving engine of productive growth for modern capitalist states.
Not that I was responding to your post specifically with regards to globalism, but rather the idea that 'globalist' has any, substantial, non-lunatic meaning.
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The globalist conspiracy explains why a bunch of things happen, the issue is that those are things that don't require an explanation because they happen naturally and logically under capitalism.
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On August 06 2018 08:39 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 08:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 06 2018 07:21 kollin wrote:On August 06 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote:On August 06 2018 03:13 kollin wrote:On August 05 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 05 2018 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:On August 05 2018 00:46 screamingpalm wrote:On August 04 2018 21:02 Sermokala wrote:
A smart democratic successor would act as if trump never existed and operate as if they took over from obama. Trumps legitimacy and power has always come from people overreacting to him. See stealthblue calling America a failed state. Ignoring the causes and core issues has been a losing strategy for Democrats. Progressives with a populist economic message could help to change that. Sadly running on 'Bring coal back' and 'minimum wage jobs should feed a family of 6' might get you votes from idiots that believe you but it won't actually help the country. Democrats have plenty of idea's for these people. But when they set up training programs to help out the sons of coal miners to find a new job they use it to learn to become a coal miner instead. These people don't want a realistic solution, they want a time machine. It's not so much that they want the coal mining jobs back (some of them might) it's that they want the straightforward good paying work back. You're not wrong though that they'd be better off building a time machine than thinking they are going to vote their way out of it with our 2 parties. I think the problem also is that the creative destruction brought about by capitalism, while clearly causing profits to skyrocket, bringing a billion people out of poverty in china etc, is tearing apart the fabric of social life that was formed by occupation in America and other post-industrial countries. The 'straightforward' element of the good paying work can't be underrated - if people are having to retrain every few years, rather than every generation, to work in new and different sectors, the social identity and security that work provided is lost. The anger from this process is undoubtedly expressed at the ballot box. That's more the creative destruction wrought by technology than by capitalism. otherwise I agree. It's a pity that the anger often expresses itself in destructive ways rather than constructive ways. Technological development is how capitalism at this stage of its development continues to sustain itself - the two can't be entangled. And yes, the idea that the NSA or whatever has been infiltrated by 'globalists' literally makes no sense unless you believe it's the Jews Your first statement doesn't make sense even if I presume you mean disentangled. In that we can certainly have technology without capitalism. That capitalism exploits technology and couldn't exist without isn't really relevant to my point. EDIT: I was just being charitable to the whole "globalist" view, it's mostly incoherent nonsense. Of course we can have technology without capitalism. Rapid technological advancement geared towards profit, which is what the 'creative destruction' part of my post was in reference to (among other advancements)? It is this that you can't avoid under capitalism, because technological advancement is the driving engine of productive growth for modern capitalist states. Not that I was responding to your post specifically with regards to globalism, but rather the idea that 'globalist' has any, substantial, non-lunatic meaning.
In that case I think we agree, the "creative destruction" is unavoidable under capitalism and but perhaps the "creative" part makes it a bit euphemistic.
Honestly I read it as zlefin following up his "it's not capitalism, it's technology" position, which is why it seemed confounding.
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On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy.
Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it.
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On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it.
Entertaining this for a moment, where do transnational corporations fall in this order?
Presumably you think the US government is already too powerful relative to US businesses, is there a nation out there you could point to for us to better understand what would be a healthy relationship/power dynamic in your view?
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On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it.
So basically, Kwark called it in his last sentence.
And I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need it explained, how a nation doing something for the global good necessarily precludes that something also being good for the country. Because Trump and his ilk keep trying to paint this thing as some kind of zero-sum game, and I'm not convinced that's true. The issue keeps getting painted in such abstract terms as "interests of the nation" versus "global interests", as though they are concrete terms, and have no overlap. You're making quite a leap by presenting that to be the case.
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On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it.
Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new.
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