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On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 10:26 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 09:52 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it. Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new. How do the globalists your talking about justify trumps support of Israel if they hate jews? I'm interested in the mental gymnastics. It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question?
Lol, you completely whiffed on why he asked you the question. You have the coherency problem. Not I.
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On August 06 2018 10:29 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 10:23 Plansix wrote:
Regardless of what globalist has become in the larger vernacular, it has been used by anti-Semites for far before it reached the wider public. Much like everything else out of the alt right, it is just rebranded bigotry. That use of globalist is just as stupid as Kwark’s attempts to imply that it is my usage. We are in an era in which nationalism is rising in response to globalization and challenging many elements of the current world order. Saying that is just about the Jews is asinine.
All I told you to do was take a look at the man next to you decrying globalists, and maybe ask him about who these globalists are. It's not hidden. At a certain point ignorance of who is being referred to by the term "globalist" becomes willful ignorance, and you're way past that point. They'll happily tell you if you ask. The globalists are the people in our nation who are not of our nation. They control the banks, industry, and the media. They don't believe in our religion. They were behind Marxism, and socialism. Trotsky was one, and so was Marx. The Soviet Union was a giant Judeo-Bolshevik state. Their weapon is propaganda, they seek to divide the nation against itself. Their goal is global government with them in charge, and their enemy is the nation, the white Christian man. Globalists use feminism, racial activism, socialism, atheism, and so forth to destroy their opposition and the only way they can be stopped is through a radical pro-white movement to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. And that is, of course, where you and your ideology come in.
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On August 06 2018 10:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:26 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 09:52 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it. Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new. How do the globalists your talking about justify trumps support of Israel if they hate jews? I'm interested in the mental gymnastics. It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question? Lol, you completely whiffed on why he asked you the question. You have the coherency problem. Not I.
He was asking me to explain how Nazis reconcile the internal contradictions of their own ideology. I cannot explain the mind of a Nazi, so I referred him to someone who could.
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On August 06 2018 11:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 10:59 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:26 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 09:52 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it. Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new. How do the globalists your talking about justify trumps support of Israel if they hate jews? I'm interested in the mental gymnastics. It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question? Lol, you completely whiffed on why he asked you the question. You have the coherency problem. Not I. He was asking me to explain how Nazis reconcile the internal contradictions of their own ideology. I cannot explain the mind of a Nazi, so I referred him to someone who could.
He asked you about Trump, not Nazis.
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If you presented the same set of questions to /r/t_d and Swastika tattooed members of the American Nazi party, with the word globalist in the /r/t_d questions and Jew in the Nazi questions, you'd get 100% overlap in the results.
"Are globalists behind socialism"
"Do globalists control the media"
"Do globalists control the banks"
"Are globalists trying to create a one world government"
"Do globalists hate white Christian men"
"Are globalists trying to destroy the traditional family"
"Is mainstream news globalist propaganda"
"Were globalists behind the Soviet union"
"Are globalists behind feminism"
"Are globalists Christian"
"Do globalists control international trade"
"Was Karl Marx a globalist"
and so forth.
100% overlap.
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On August 06 2018 11:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 11:02 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:59 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:26 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 09:52 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it. Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new. How do the globalists your talking about justify trumps support of Israel if they hate jews? I'm interested in the mental gymnastics. It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question? Lol, you completely whiffed on why he asked you the question. You have the coherency problem. Not I. He was asking me to explain how Nazis reconcile the internal contradictions of their own ideology. I cannot explain the mind of a Nazi, so I referred him to someone who could. He asked you about Trump, not Nazis.
A distinction that is becoming increasingly meaningless.
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On August 06 2018 11:14 KwarK wrote:
If you presented the same set of questions to /r/t_d and Swastika tattooed members of the American Nazi party, with the word globalist in the /r/t_d questions and Jew in the Nazi questions, you'd get 100% overlap in the results.
"Are globalists behind socialism"
"Do globalists control the media"
"Do globalists control the banks"
"Are globalists trying to create a one world government"
"Do globalists hate white Christian men"
"Are globalists trying to destroy the traditional family"
"Is mainstream news globalist propaganda"
"Were globalists behind the Soviet union"
"Are globalists behind feminism"
"Are globalists Christian"
"Do globalists control international trade"
"Was Karl Marx a globalist"
and so forth.
100% overlap.
Your response is to trot out more strawmen, huh? Here are a couple hints. The American Nazi party is irrelevant. The kids in t_d are irrelevant. Neither wield any power or are controlling the events currently taking shape in the world.
On August 06 2018 11:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 11:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 11:02 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:59 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:26 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 09:52 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it. Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new. How do the globalists your talking about justify trumps support of Israel if they hate jews? I'm interested in the mental gymnastics. It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question? Lol, you completely whiffed on why he asked you the question. You have the coherency problem. Not I. He was asking me to explain how Nazis reconcile the internal contradictions of their own ideology. I cannot explain the mind of a Nazi, so I referred him to someone who could. He asked you about Trump, not Nazis. A distinction that is becoming increasingly meaningless.
Oh no, you're not getting off that easy. Trump is clearly anti-globalist, yet he supports Israel -- something which you are conveniently ignoring. If you're going to make the insane claim that everyone who is anti-globalist is also anti-semitic (which you are by saying that my use of globalist is anti-semitic), you have some explaining to do.
More appropriately, you should just apologize and back off.
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On August 06 2018 10:54 pmh wrote:
Nationalism in usa is kinda interesting and I have always wondered about it. The population is made out of so many different nationalities and cultural back grounds,how does nationalism work in a country like this.
Every country is made out of many different invaders & travelers, only in a longer process. Our cultures are just as artificial as theirs, we picked up a bunch of features from dozens of different groups of people. A combination of a large amount of features ends up unique, and that is a national identity. I don't think it makes any less sense for the US to have one than it does for the rest of us. And with having a national identity comes having people that romanticize that identity, in both benign and psychotic ways.
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On August 06 2018 11:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 11:14 KwarK wrote:
If you presented the same set of questions to /r/t_d and Swastika tattooed members of the American Nazi party, with the word globalist in the /r/t_d questions and Jew in the Nazi questions, you'd get 100% overlap in the results.
"Are globalists behind socialism"
"Do globalists control the media"
"Do globalists control the banks"
"Are globalists trying to create a one world government"
"Do globalists hate white Christian men"
"Are globalists trying to destroy the traditional family"
"Is mainstream news globalist propaganda"
"Were globalists behind the Soviet union"
"Are globalists behind feminism"
"Are globalists Christian"
"Do globalists control international trade"
"Was Karl Marx a globalist"
and so forth.
100% overlap.
Your response is to trot out more strawmen, huh? Here are a couple hints. The American Nazi party is irrelevant. The kids in t_d are irrelevant. Neither wield any power or are controlling the events currently taking shape in the world. Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 11:17 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 11:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 11:02 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:59 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 10:26 JimmiC wrote:On August 06 2018 09:52 KwarK wrote:On August 06 2018 09:38 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Globalists has always been Jews lol. The secret group of people within every nation who don't belong to the race and don't share the culture/religion/language/blood of the nation but are instead loyal to their international fraternal brotherhood. Also they control banking. And they're working together to destroy nations through creating global governments etc. It's literally the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
xDaunt's shtick has always been that he's not a Nazi, he just says all the same things as them. This is just another example. He won't say that globalist means Jews, but he will agree that the (((globalists))) like Soros are the enemy. Uh, no. Globalists definitely does not mean Jews in the context of globalism vs nationalism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really missing the big picture. Globalists include anyone who seeks to subordinate the interests of the nation state to global interests and institutions. This is a very broad category, though George Soros is certainly in it. Your disagreement can be summed up as “you’re forgetting the Jew-lovers, it’s not just Jews”. Seriously, take an honest look at the rhetoric of the rest of the anti-globalist crowd sometime. None of its new. How do the globalists your talking about justify trumps support of Israel if they hate jews? I'm interested in the mental gymnastics. It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question? Lol, you completely whiffed on why he asked you the question. You have the coherency problem. Not I. He was asking me to explain how Nazis reconcile the internal contradictions of their own ideology. I cannot explain the mind of a Nazi, so I referred him to someone who could. He asked you about Trump, not Nazis. A distinction that is becoming increasingly meaningless. Oh no, you're not getting off that easy. Trump is clearly anti-globalist, yet he supports Israel -- something which you are conveniently ignoring. If you're going to make the insane claim that everyone who is anti-globalist is also anti-semitic (which you are by saying that my use of globalist is anti-semitic), you have some explaining to do. More appropriately, you should just apologize and back off.
The kids in /r/t_d are the face of Trump's America. Their ideology is the one crafted by Bannon as the acceptable face of American nazism. They don't have to be in charge to be used as a way to understand what people hear when Trump blows his dog whistle. A mirror isn't the real thing, but it'll still show you what the object looks like.
And no, I don't have to explain why Trump believes what he does, and I couldn't if I wanted to. There will be thousands of books written on the subject of what the hell was going through Trump's head when he said shit like "For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important." during a speech on immigration.
The fact that Trump spouts off dog whistle references to international Jewish conspiracies while also supporting Israel is a contradiction that only people who believe Trump capable of a coherent ideology are troubled by. Nazism has never displayed any kind of consistency in the past, for example the Jews have always been all powerful and deeply inferior. It is not my job to explain the logical inconsistencies of Nazism, or the current advocates of American Nazism. You might as well ask why Hitler thought so little of Jewish blood when they controlled all the banks (in his head) and insist that Hitler was no real antisemite because a real antisemite would never think that Jews could be powerful.
However, as an individual who, and I'm being generous here by allowing your insistence that you really don't know what you're saying, identifies as a useful idiot of the Nazis, you may be better able to explain how that works.
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You can be anti-Semitic and support Israel. They’re not mutually exclusive and the reasons are obvious lmao.
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Yeah I see exactly what KwarK is referring to all the time. Usually in the form of the "Rothschilds!" and conspiracies about the federal reserve. The irony is that these same people advocate policies that benefit the "evil banksters" that they claim to despise lol.
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xDaunt is attempting to argue
1) Nazism is a coherent and sensible ideology without obvious internal contradictions with regard to Jews
2) And yet by your own admission Trump’s statements and actions with regard to Jews are incoherent and nonsensical
3) Therefore Trump couldn’t possibly be saying Nazi things because they’re not sensible enough to be Nazi things
Hitler doesn’t qualify as a Nazi under that argument.
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Globalist is used interchangeably with ((())).
I grant that ((())) is used to identify Jewish descent (or so-called pocketed by the Jews), or else used ironically by those on Twitter who are against those using ((())) sincerely.
However, if globalist is a dogwhistle for anti-semitism, how would one express a pro-sovereignty, and anti-we-are-just-one-global-village? Or in other words, if you are more or less simply pro-American and aren't to keen on non-American, international organizations having a say on what's going on in America, what do you call the side you are against? Earthers? Terranists? Globalist seems to me a useful label outside of the conspiracy theorist crew. Or is it the case that almost everyone here (except xDaunt) thinks that Globalist has been so co-opted by the conspiracy crew that it cannot be used any other way?
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On August 06 2018 12:19 Falling wrote:I grant that ((())) is used to identify Jewish descent (or so-called pocketed by the Jews), or else used ironically by those on Twitter who are against those using ((())) sincerely. However, if globalist is a dogwhistle for anti-semitism, how would one express a pro-sovereignty, and anti-we-are-just-one-global-village? Or in other words, if you are more or less simply pro-American and aren't to keen on non-American, international organizations having a say on what's going on in America, what do you call the side you are against? Earthers? Terranists? Globalist seems to me a useful label outside of the conspiracy theorist crew. Or is it the case that almost everyone here (except xDaunt) thinks that Globalist has been so co-opted by the conspiracy crew that it cannot be used any other way?
The problem is that there's no "side" that's for globalism. It's a natural consequence of the tenets of economic liberalism that the world would globalize in the fashion that it does today, it's not occurring because people are for it (except if you're talking about economic liberals, which, they aren't). So yeah, if you want to side against that happening, you're inching very close to conspiracy theory levels very fast.
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The way you just did, talk about sovereignty and the right to self governance without using buzz words like globalist. Globalist is a pejorative, like SJW, vague is meaning and can be applied to anyone to expressing the “wrong” views. It isn’t a term that grew out of academia or any profession, but on the far right wing place of the internet.
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On August 06 2018 12:01 KwarK wrote:
xDaunt is attempting to argue
1) Nazism is a coherent and sensible ideology without obvious internal contradictions with regard to Jews
2) And yet by your own admission Trump’s statements and actions with regard to Jews are incoherent and nonsensical
3) Therefore Trump couldn’t possibly be saying Nazi things because they’re not sensible enough to be Nazi things
Hitler doesn’t qualify as a Nazi under that argument.
Lol, Nazism has nothing to do with my argument. You keep willing it to be so isn’t going to change that fact.
Here’s the simple reality about you, Kwark: you are a coward. You don’t have the guts to deal with a real, competent argument, so you trot out countless straw men from the lowest common denominators of society and attempt to stick me with them. I’m not interested in playing that game. But hey, keep on embarrassing yourself.
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On August 06 2018 11:44 Womwomwom wrote:
You can be anti-Semitic and support Israel. They’re not mutually exclusive and the reasons are obvious lmao.
Anti-Semitic very quickly starts to lose its meaning and punch when it is applied to things that really have nothing to do with Jews except in tangential ways.
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On August 06 2018 12:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 11:44 Womwomwom wrote:
You can be anti-Semitic and support Israel. They’re not mutually exclusive and the reasons are obvious lmao. Anti-Semitic very quickly starts to lose its meaning and punch when it is applied to things that really have nothing to do with Jews except in tangential ways.
This isn’t hard, someone who is anti Semitic might think Israel is great because it’s the place all the Jews in their country should go to. You now, like blacks and folks who tell them to “go back to Africa.” One does not need to be anti Africa to be a racist.
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On August 06 2018 12:28 Plansix wrote:
The way you just did, talk about sovereignty and the right to self governance without using buzz words like globalist. Globalist is a pejorative, like SJW, vague is meaning and can be applied to anyone to expressing the “wrong” views. It isn’t a term that grew out of academia or any profession, but on the far right wing place of the internet.
It's pejorative, sure, but is it anti-semitic? Pejoratives aren't meaningless, they're just simplistic categorization. And saying there is a more nuanced way of discussing self governance is different than an accusation of hating Jews.
Like, aren't most of the G8 protestors also anti-globalism and also super left wing/ outright anarchist?
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On August 06 2018 12:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 12:30 xDaunt wrote:On August 06 2018 11:44 Womwomwom wrote:
You can be anti-Semitic and support Israel. They’re not mutually exclusive and the reasons are obvious lmao. Anti-Semitic very quickly starts to lose its meaning and punch when it is applied to things that really have nothing to do with Jews except in tangential ways. This isn’t hard, someone who is anti Semitic might think Israel is great because it’s the place all the Jews in their country should go to. You, like blacks and folks who tell them to “go back to Africa.”
Well no kidding. But we are very far from discussing anything resembling that here (except for Kwark).
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