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On July 30 2018 17:09 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2018 22:31 xDaunt wrote:On July 29 2018 22:00 JimmiC wrote:
Does anyone else think it is odd that the "right" hates free trade and the "left" is fighting for it. This is opposite world. This is a bit of a misnomer. It’s not that the right generally hates free trade so much as it sees the current regime of trade treaties as being unfair trade deals that soak America. What we have now is not “free trade.” lol you think donny dipshit will be able to negotiate a good deal? That's rich. I will eat a flaming shoe full of dog shit if he gets something even 1/4 as good as what we had before him. Everyone knows he can't negotiate for shit. The EU leaders will call him handsome big handed and strong and he will sign the worst trade deals imaginable that fucks the US over and call it a win while shaking their hands with that stupid shit eating grin of his that he gets whenever he does something idiotic.
You may be eating that shoe then.
He'll likely get something at least 1/4 as good. Maybe even 3/4s.
It's even possible he'll just walk it all back and do nothing. For all his fans' support, it's pretty clear to an outside observer that a lot of his Presidency is to SEEM like he's doing a lot, even if the actual results are lacking. One of his old business strategies, I believe; getting workers to appear to be doing something even if that amounts to building a wall and tearing the wall down again over and over so he can pass it off as a construction running healthily.
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The goalposts have to keep moving because they keep getting scored on. Crazy how many times they have changed their story. Nobody can deny that, at the very least, they act guilty as hell.
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He is correct. It isn’t a crime. Conspiracy to receive material support m(dirt on your opponent) from a foreign power in an election is a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. Violating campaign finance law is a crime.
But this is a clear attempt to move the goal post back because evidence is coming out that the Trump camp was talking with Russian actors way more than is normal for an election.
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On July 31 2018 00:11 On_Slaught wrote:
The goalposts have to keep moving because they keep getting scored on. Crazy how many times they have changed their story. Nobody can deny that, at the very least, they act guilty as hell.
Of course they can. Deny, move goalposts, move on. Its the last few years of republican politics in one sentence.
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I remember people pointing out the evergreen song and dance in the previous thread. We're now officially at the "well it happened, but it's not a crime" verse.
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I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go.
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I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that.
On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go.
Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off.
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On July 31 2018 00:33 Plansix wrote:I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that. Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go. Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off.
I don't think it really matters, I would not bet on the dems picking up the Senate
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On July 31 2018 00:37 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:33 Plansix wrote:I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that. On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go. Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off. I don't think it really matters, I would not bet on the dems picking up the Senate
Government shut downs matter, which is what Trump is threatening right now. I don't think anyone has shut down the goverment 60 days before a election.
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On July 31 2018 00:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:37 IyMoon wrote:On July 31 2018 00:33 Plansix wrote:I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that. On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go. Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off. I don't think it really matters, I would not bet on the dems picking up the Senate Government shut downs matter, which is what Trump is threatening right now. I don't think anyone has shut down the goverment 60 days before a election.
I checked the list; one happened on oct 1990; but it was a short one, and all over the columbus day weekend so it didn' taffect much.
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On July 31 2018 00:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:37 IyMoon wrote:On July 31 2018 00:33 Plansix wrote:I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that. On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go. Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off. I don't think it really matters, I would not bet on the dems picking up the Senate Government shut downs matter, which is what Trump is threatening right now. I don't think anyone has shut down the goverment 60 days before a election.
He isn't going to be that stupid, he is just going to threaten in because he is stupid enough to do that
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https://www.inquisitr.com/5007425/noam-chomsky-israeli-intervention-in-u-s-elections-vastly-overwhelms-anything-the-russians-may-have-done/
Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done, I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015.
Is this ignored in the US because Israel is an ally? I've seen this suggested, but the behaviour of the current Israeli government with regards to US democracy is not actually the behaviour of an ally at all. They will happily subvert the will of the American people, and the American president if they disagree, or they perceive it to be bad for Israel in the short term.
Are Americans truly angry about a foreign power interfering in their government's business, or are they angry that its Russia, or are they angry that Trump is implicated?
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On July 31 2018 00:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:37 IyMoon wrote:On July 31 2018 00:33 Plansix wrote:I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that. On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go. Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off. I don't think it really matters, I would not bet on the dems picking up the Senate Government shut downs matter, which is what Trump is threatening right now. I don't think anyone has shut down the goverment 60 days before a election.
They already shut down the government this term. Whether they do it again matters little to me. They have their distorted agenda, and have already proven they're willing to betray the core principles of our systems and shut down the government in order to get exactly what they want. This is a drop in the pan for me.
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On July 31 2018 01:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2018 00:50 Plansix wrote:On July 31 2018 00:37 IyMoon wrote:On July 31 2018 00:33 Plansix wrote:I just want to point out that there is a section of the country that is literally so on fire that it is creating its own weather system and our federal government is so busy with Trump’s BS that they can’t pay attention to that. On July 31 2018 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I think their plan right now is to get the supreme Court pick and take it to the very end. His existing relationship with Trump makes me think they've already talked this through. A lot depends on how much info comes out before that point. Trump may be too toxic to even get his supreme Court pick depending on how things go. Considering the spending bill fight they have in September and how much document production is going to be needed just to confirm the pick for the high court, I’m not sure the Senate is going to be able to pull it off. I don't think it really matters, I would not bet on the dems picking up the Senate Government shut downs matter, which is what Trump is threatening right now. I don't think anyone has shut down the goverment 60 days before a election. They already shut down the government this term. Whether they do it again matters little to me. They have their distorted agenda, and have already proven they're willing to betray the core principles of our systems and shut down the government in order to get exactly what they want. This is a drop in the pan for me.
this could apply equally against those in both the red and blue camps; and if this shutdown doesn’t matter to you i have to ask what any of them meant to you at all? and why then is a second shut down of less importance than the first?
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On July 31 2018 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote:https://www.inquisitr.com/5007425/noam-chomsky-israeli-intervention-in-u-s-elections-vastly-overwhelms-anything-the-russians-may-have-done/Show nested quote +Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done, I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015. Is this ignored in the US because Israel is an ally? I've seen this suggested, but the behaviour of the current Israeli government with regards to US democracy is not actually the behaviour of an ally at all. They will happily subvert the will of the American people, and the American president if they disagree, or they perceive it to be bad for Israel in the short term. Are Americans truly angry about a foreign power interfering in their government's business, or are they angry that its Russia, or are they angry that Trump is implicated?
That entire article and Noam Chomsky's theory shows a complete misunderstanding of what "intervention" and "influence" mean. Israel has influenced over US politics as one of our closest allies and large population of Jewish US citizens in the US. Their attempts to sway policy are all out in the open and they don't deny it. They were and are very public about not liking the Iran deal. But last time I checked they didn't hack one of the major party's computers and distribute the information. We don't have one of their spies in custody, caught trying to influence US election policy.
I don't like Israel, but this article is overreaching and looks naive and uninformed because of it.
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On July 31 2018 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote:https://www.inquisitr.com/5007425/noam-chomsky-israeli-intervention-in-u-s-elections-vastly-overwhelms-anything-the-russians-may-have-done/Show nested quote +Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done, I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015. Is this ignored in the US because Israel is an ally? I've seen this suggested, but the behaviour of the current Israeli government with regards to US democracy is not actually the behaviour of an ally at all. They will happily subvert the will of the American people, and the American president if they disagree, or they perceive it to be bad for Israel in the short term. Are Americans truly angry about a foreign power interfering in their government's business, or are they angry that its Russia, or are they angry that Trump is implicated?
these issues are well known. mostly it's because they're an "ally" and alot of people in the US are pro-israel. so yes, it's somewhat ignored.
also, chomsky may be overstating his case. as with many academics, he's good in his field, but when he goes outside of it into political situations, he's not so accurate. but haven't read that article; the claims "vastly overwhelms" is doubtful though, sounds like hyperbole.
mostly some americans are angry at trump, and anything that could be considered a source of support for trump, especially when there's evidence of collusion. there is also some dislike about it being russia, and about it being any foreign power.
it does make sense to be more concerned about hostile powers interfering than allied/friendly powers.
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Plenty of us are plenty pissed at the level of influence AIPAC and its related entities exercise here. That said, as others have pointed out, Israel and Russia aren't exactly similarly situated in the way that article asserts.
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On July 31 2018 01:58 Plansix wrote:
That entire article and Noam Chomsky's theory shows a complete misunderstanding of what "intervention" and "influence" mean. Israel has influenced over US politics as one of our closest allies and large population of Jewish US citizens in the US. Their attempts to sway policy are all out in the open and they don't deny it. They were and are very public about not liking the Iran deal. But last time I checked they didn't hack one of the major party's computers and distribute the information. We don't have one of their spies in custody, caught trying to influence US election policy.
Ahh, so the crime is being secretive.
Its not that Russia tried to meddle in US politics, but that they did it in a a secretive, sly way. And if you think Israel is above spying on its allies, think again.
https://20committee.com/2012/07/29/friends-from-the-institute/
Aggressive Israeli spying on the U.S. is something polite people are never, ever supposed to discuss; mentioning it will not get you invited to the right Georgetown parties.
But there was nothing in the piece which was exactly news to anyone who knows how the global intelligence game is actually played. That CIA considers Israel to be the number-one spy threat in the Middle East is a revelation only to neophytes. Counterintelligence officers for decades have been aware of the extent of Israeli espionage against the U.S., at home and abroad, though politicos are customarily wise enough to never mention it. Indeed, CI experts for years have spoken of the Big Four threats to the USG: Russia, China, Cuba, and Israel.
NSA counterintelligence officer John Schindler
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