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I get the sense that part of what is behind the liberal opposition to the concept of an armed populace being better equipped than an unarmed one to defend itself from fascist dictators is related to their personal feelings on what they would do in that situation.
If the only way to stop the US from descending into full blown fascism is to resist the military indefinitely, they are going to save themselves (so far fleeing has been what they've said they're planning) instead.
I think fascists are happy to hear/see it.
EDIT: I should just add that the obvious vector for this kind of conflict is morale more than military might.
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On March 08 2026 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
I get the sense that part of what is behind the liberal opposition to the concept of an armed populace being better equipped than an unarmed one to defend itself from fascist dictators is related to their personal feelings on what they would do in that situation.
If the only way to stop the US from descending into full blown fascism is to resist the military indefinitely, they are going to save themselves (so far fleeing has been what they've said they're planning) instead.
I think fascists are happy to hear/see it.
It is far more likely that the people against violence online actually understand the cost. And keyboard warriors like yourself are overcompensating hard for total cowardice offline.
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Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration.
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On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement.
But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading.
Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ??
On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration.
Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence...
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On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence...
Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing.
Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms.
This shouldn't be this hard.
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On March 08 2026 11:14 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:
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Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence... Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing. Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms. This shouldn't be this hard.
On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy.
So much about fantasy...
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It needs a little more follow-up reporting, since that particular one is based on a single detainee's story.
The rest is truly heartbreaking stories and claims that needs prompt congressional inquiry and response.
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On March 08 2026 11:58 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 11:14 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:
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My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better.
Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence... Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing. Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms. This shouldn't be this hard. Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. So much about fantasy...
"Small arms" isn't "small guns"
"Small arms" is a phrase that encompasses general 'personal' weapons like rifles and bazookas. It doesn't mean 'like an actual AK but 50% of the size'. Outside of the scope of 'small arms' is stuff like helicopters and artillery.
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On March 08 2026 12:11 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 11:58 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 11:14 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:
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It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ?
What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this:
"My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy"
Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence... Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing. Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms. This shouldn't be this hard. On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. So much about fantasy... "Small arms" isn't "small guns" "Small arms" is a phrase that encompasses general 'personal' weapons like rifles and bazookas. It doesn't mean 'like an actual AK but 50% of the size'. Outside of the scope of 'small arms' is stuff like helicopters and artillery.
Seriously? you forgot to include people with realy short arms. Do you have some prejudices against those?
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On March 08 2026 12:20 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 12:11 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 08 2026 11:58 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 11:14 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:
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Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things.
Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time.
See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence... Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing. Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms. This shouldn't be this hard. On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. So much about fantasy... "Small arms" isn't "small guns" "Small arms" is a phrase that encompasses general 'personal' weapons like rifles and bazookas. It doesn't mean 'like an actual AK but 50% of the size'. Outside of the scope of 'small arms' is stuff like helicopters and artillery. Seriously? you forgot to include people with realy short arms. Do you have some prejudices against those?
I'll take this to mean "My whole argument was predicated on my own misunderstanding but I'm too embarrassed to admit it, so now I'll pretend I was trolling the whole time".
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On March 08 2026 12:27 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 12:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 12:11 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 08 2026 11:58 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 11:14 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:
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See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy?
Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence... Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing. Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms. This shouldn't be this hard. On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:
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Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. So much about fantasy... "Small arms" isn't "small guns" "Small arms" is a phrase that encompasses general 'personal' weapons like rifles and bazookas. It doesn't mean 'like an actual AK but 50% of the size'. Outside of the scope of 'small arms' is stuff like helicopters and artillery. Seriously? you forgot to include people with realy short arms. Do you have some prejudices against those? I'll take this to mean "My whole argument was predicated on my own misunderstanding but I'm too embarrassed to admit it, so now I'll pretend I was trolling the whole time".
Your take will be wrong then? If you read actual discussion it should be obvious?
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On March 08 2026 12:02 dyhb wrote:It needs a little more follow-up reporting, since that particular one is based on a single detainee's story. The rest is truly heartbreaking stories and claims that needs prompt congressional inquiry and response.
I mean, it’s really not difficult to imagine because all detention center staff, regardless of which country they are in and where they work, generally become some Percy Wetmore equivalent. Whether that’s due to the stress, the job attracting a certain type of person who revels in suffering or eventual apathy, mass detention centers always dissolve into human rights abuses and human rights suffering.
If the ICE staff behave as they do in public, albeit with masks on to maintain anonymity, it’s not difficult to believe they’d do the same and more away from the eyes of the public. Like Americans are clearly not responding positively towards ICE, 50% support the institution being abolished and that’s just from people seeing only the most visible actions.
It’s kinda why a majority of Democrats and independents want ICE to be forced to wear uniforms (92% and 77%) and banned from covering their faces (87% and 68%), because they don’t trust how ICE is behaving or feel they are being held accountable. And with how a lot of conservatives on this forum were defending ICE’s behaviour, I don’t think this Congress or Administration has any intent on enforcing any sort of meaningful accountability.
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On March 08 2026 12:39 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 12:27 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 08 2026 12:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 12:11 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 08 2026 11:58 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 11:14 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 10:07 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 07:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:
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Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following?
Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂
Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. Wombat said it well. But small arms is a very common term for things like hand guns and other non military grade. The US has plenty of ARs but even more non military grade. Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on? Pure stupid fantasy. It’s crazy how many MAGA people sound like and think the same things are cool as 12 year old boys. It’s the never grew up movement. But they do have "plenty" of AR, also judging from other forums and some vidoes they arent alien to sniper rifles and other military grade equipment. So saying small guns is misleading. Where did I said this: "Like you really think a bunch of dudes, that run away from every shooting in the US are going to team up and beat the US army, ICE, FBI, CIA, Local police and so on?" ?? On March 08 2026 08:59 LightSpectra wrote:
Patiently waiting for GH to use their firearms to resist the Trump administration. Patiently waiting for LightSpectra to report himself to police for inciting violence... Lucky I never said small guns, that would have been confusing. Those are some of the people that US citizens would have to take down, against their equipment and training. With just small arms. This shouldn't be this hard. On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:
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My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better.
Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. So much about fantasy... "Small arms" isn't "small guns" "Small arms" is a phrase that encompasses general 'personal' weapons like rifles and bazookas. It doesn't mean 'like an actual AK but 50% of the size'. Outside of the scope of 'small arms' is stuff like helicopters and artillery. Seriously? you forgot to include people with realy short arms. Do you have some prejudices against those? I'll take this to mean "My whole argument was predicated on my own misunderstanding but I'm too embarrassed to admit it, so now I'll pretend I was trolling the whole time". Your take will be wrong then? If you read actual discussion it should be obvious?
Just stop embarrassing yourself and admit you were wrong.
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On March 07 2026 19:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2026 19:19 baal wrote:
It's wild how powerless a country is against a dictator who controls the army and is willing to mass kill his own citizens to remain in power.
I used to be anti-gun ownership but now I'm very pro because I've realized that there only two mechanism to get rid of this kind of dictators, well armed citizens or foreign intervention, and the 2nd usually gets very ugly quick. Doesn't the United States's scenario refute - not support - this pro-gun stance though? American gun owners can't fight a real army. Or do you mean that more Americans should try assassinating Trump?
Trump is not a dictator, if he were to run for a 3rd term then yes, guns should be used.
The "they have Sealth bombers what are you gonna do with your AR15" is a fallacy, civil wars are not army vs civilians, what are they going to bomb their own powerplants, and bridges? you need troops on the ground to keep a population under control, also the army fractures and factions are created etc.
Also not long ago a few Afghans with AK-47s held against the full force of the US military who had to run with their tails between their legs.
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On March 07 2026 23:02 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2026 19:19 baal wrote:
It's wild how powerless a country is against a dictator who controls the army and is willing to mass kill his own citizens to remain in power.
I used to be anti-gun ownership but now I'm very pro because I've realized that there only two mechanism to get rid of this kind of dictators, well armed citizens or foreign intervention, and the 2nd usually gets very ugly quick. Folks aren’t powerless, they just have to be willing to potentially die. I don’t know how much having guns changes this calculus really. Perhaps a little. If folks aren’t willing to potentially die, it’s largely moot whether they’re armed or not. If the relevant institutions aren’t willing to crush such a movement, same thing.
like the 20k who died in Iran and accomplished nothing?
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On March 08 2026 20:18 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2026 23:02 WombaT wrote:On March 07 2026 19:19 baal wrote:
It's wild how powerless a country is against a dictator who controls the army and is willing to mass kill his own citizens to remain in power.
I used to be anti-gun ownership but now I'm very pro because I've realized that there only two mechanism to get rid of this kind of dictators, well armed citizens or foreign intervention, and the 2nd usually gets very ugly quick. Folks aren’t powerless, they just have to be willing to potentially die. I don’t know how much having guns changes this calculus really. Perhaps a little. If folks aren’t willing to potentially die, it’s largely moot whether they’re armed or not. If the relevant institutions aren’t willing to crush such a movement, same thing. like the 20k who died in Iran and accomplished nothing?
Them having guns wouldn't have helped. It'd just have meant the IRGC needed to use their tanks. But if the IRGC was willing to kill 10k+ of its own citizens, they would've done the same if those citizens were armed. Iranian opposition doesn't fail because they aren't sufficiently armed. It fails because the government brutally crushes any attempt at organising the opposition. That isn't because they don't have guns. There's no doubt a perfectly functional black market in Iran where a determined Partizan could buy all the Kalashnikovs they could want. But that doesn't mean they can stop the IRGC from breaking down their door in the middle of the night and disappearing their entire family.
If the Iranian regime had allowed the opposition to organize, it'd probably have looked a lot more like Syria.
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Afghanistan is a country of est. 40 million and the NATO mission committed no more than 18,000 troops at a time to holding it. The total U. S. armed forces plus reserves is over 2,000,000 people, so the security force in Afghanistan is about 0.009% of what you're calling "the full force of the US military".
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On March 08 2026 08:16 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2026 06:43 WombaT wrote:On March 08 2026 06:16 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 05:02 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 04:19 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:36 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote:On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote:
Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. See we have some progress now. Can you please specify what in my post you have seen as fantasy? Holy shit dude. That small arms purchased within the nation over through a dictatorship. What are you not following? Not to mention that I don’t think one dictator getting replaced by a different dictator is the win people are looking for! 😂 Edit: and if you want to look at the US example there is a correlation between more guns and a worsening democracy. First of all where did you got "small" guns from? Second, I didnt say that. In what way guns purchased nationally are worse than guns supplied by foreign governments? Apparently, according to Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_countrythere is 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I am not sure what you dont understand. If you have, for example, 50k people willing to overthrow dictator, but 5k guns then obviously foreign governments have to do some heavy lifting, If you have 50k people and 51k guns this burden gets much smaller. Frankly only fantasy here seem to be you fighting arguments no one made. It doesn’t really because it’s 50k people with small arms, most of whom aren’t combat trained, versus a military and security forces who have better gear, and are. When regime change does tend to occur in recent times it’s either a peaceful groundswell thing, or a military coup, or a full-on civil war scenario with various paramilitary groups, frequently with foreign influence. And notably not that a bunch of armed citizens precipitate such things. The scenario you’re advocating for just doesn’t actually happen, hence the charge it’s fantasy. It also makes close to zero sense when combined with your other positions, such as ICE agents should be allowed to shroud their identity in case of reprisals I mean do you want people to be able to resist a government or not? Again, where the "small" arms coming from?? Second of all I am not advocating for anything, I merely said that finally people start understand second amendment. It does really. Because it is still 50k armed people rather than 50k unarmed people. With the latter you just send in water cannons/crowd control and disperse "violent protests" arrest key figures and forget about it. With former you have whole different call to make. As for second paragraph: arent paramilitary groups very much armed citizens? My point is that whether guns are purchased in your corner store, or send to you by foreign government doesnt make a difference, what makes a difference is whether guns are there, or not. Also, last time i checked, there wasnt US embassy in the US, so chance that foreign country will supply you with guns to initiate regime change is close to 0. I also never said other countries wouldnt get involved. As for your last two paragraphs: it makes perfect sense. Them wearing maks protects their identity and consequently their families from harassment. Harassing somebody's family, is not resisting government is just being worthless pos. On the other hand masks dont make them immortal. You can go to US and start shootout with ICE agents. I will be the first to sing praises of brave Wombat resisting government. Edit: Just to clarify - I am not saying that you would harass someone family.
And what is potentially shooting members of state institutions, polite political disagreement?
I don’t know if it’s your position or you’re just devil’s advocating it, the confusing part to me of those who are very strong 2nd Amendment with the rationale that we need it to prevent government tyranny, are often those against basic oversight and accountability for an organisation like ICE.
If the price of gun violence and shootings that society has to suck up is worth paying for freedom and the ability to resist tyranny, well, I mean there’s an example right there of it.
There are folks who make the same first argument, who also have qualms with ICE running around masked and in not uniformed, which is a combination that makes much more sense.
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