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KwarK
United States43649 Posts
They had a lot of nation state backers. They didn’t start off well armed citizens, the country fragmented into multiple ethnic and religious factions which made their own well equipped armies with foreign support. The conservative fantasy isn’t that Hispanics get tanks from Mexico and defeat the US army, it’s that white Americans shoot Obama. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2720 Posts
On March 08 2026 01:19 KwarK wrote: They had a lot of nation state backers. They didn’t start off well armed citizens, the country fragmented into multiple ethnic and religious factions which made their own well equipped armies with foreign support. The conservative fantasy isn’t that Hispanics get tanks from Mexico and defeat the US army, it’s that white Americans shoot Obama. Took 14 years to get well armed. If they had been from the start? Slightly more relevant. Tribes are not citizens exactly (more cohesive from the start) but they are well armed. When they turned on the SDF in favour of the new government they kicked them out really quickly. Tribe militia is a powerful force against the goverment in many middle eastern countries. | ||
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KwarK
United States43649 Posts
On March 08 2026 01:34 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Took 14 years to get well armed. If they had been from the start? Slightly more relevant. Tribes are not citizens exactly (more cohesive from the start) but they are well armed. When they turned on the SDF in favour of the new government they kicked them out really quickly. Tribe militia is a powerful force against the goverment in many middle eastern countries. Took 14 years to fully degrade the Syrian army too. If it had barely existed from the start things could have been different. | ||
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Razyda
904 Posts
On March 08 2026 01:18 Billyboy wrote: Both examples are citizens armed by foreign governments. Not people that bought a lot of hand guns at the local gun mart. Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2720 Posts
On March 08 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote: Took 14 years to fully degrade the Syrian army too. If it had barely existed from the start things could have been different. Incredibly dumb argument. A good argument against guns based on the middle east would be ISIS. Armed citizens overthrowing the government doesn't automatically mean they have to be the good guys. | ||
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KwarK
United States43649 Posts
On March 08 2026 02:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Incredibly dumb argument. A good argument against guns based on the middle east would be ISIS. Armed citizens overthrowing the government doesn't automatically mean they have to be the good guys. It's not a dumb argument. Conservatives like to imagine that their government is some illegitimate foreign entity, like a Red Dawn style occupation, and that they'll take it back with native forces. The example of Syria is a bunch of foreign backed groups fighting a native government. It's not an armed militia rising up, it's a civil war in which people who opposed the government were subsequently armed. You don't need the Second Amendment for that, Syria is more like if Mexican fighters cross into New Mexico to support a Hispanic uprising than that. The armed citizens being ISIS comparable religious extremists goes without saying. This is an American conservative fantasy, of course the women are subservient and the gays are being lynched. | ||
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Billyboy
1508 Posts
On March 08 2026 01:50 Razyda wrote: Bizarre argument. Doesnt matter the source once they got armed they became gun owners. If anything you further the point that guns matter in overthrowing evil dictators. My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. | ||
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Razyda
904 Posts
On March 08 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote: My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy. Your counter argument is but my fantasy would make it better. Here’s a better idea, protect your democracy with laws against corruption and keeping individual power in check. It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17301 Posts
On March 07 2026 17:22 decafchicken wrote: Did I miss anything good in the last 30 pages or just more semantic bickering while the world collapses collapses? only 2 to 4 million people have died in military conflict in the past 40 years. things are solid. to see how carefully measured both Iran and the USA are notice: (1) the USA just offered India a 30 day waiver to purchase Russian oil sanction free. (b) Iran apologized and promised not to hit their neighbours with drones (iii) Trump announced the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation would replace the insurers who've backed away from shipping through the persian gulf. U.S. International Development Finance Corporation will indemnify oil shipments through the persian gulf Both sides paint the other as irrational psychotics. That's just not the case... on either side. whining, bitching, moaning, and complaining are at all time highs though. | ||
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Billyboy
1508 Posts
On March 08 2026 03:20 Razyda wrote: It is funny how words have no meaning any more. Do you know what is the meaning of the word "fantasy" ? What would qualify as fantasy in what i posted? And then is your second sentence which is pure fantasy, idealistic, but still fantasy. And it is in the same post where you posted this: "My argument is that reality doesn’t fit your fantasy" Fantasy: the faculty or activity of imagining things. Much like people who have the good guy with the gun fantasy for stopping crime and mass shooting even though it happens well under 1% of the time. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17301 Posts
Arab states in the Persian Gulf are running dangerously low on interceptors to take down Iranian-fired missiles, two regional officials told CBS News. Arab states running low on interceptors just as Iran promises to stop sending missiles that require intercepting. Tellin' ya guys, what a COINCIDENCE! ! ! Anyhow this is prolly a back channel negotiated scaling back of conflict on all sides. | ||
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