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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2463 Posts
March 03 2026 17:56 GMT
#110641
I was shocked they went with Israel made us do it, given how their base feels about “them” controlling everything. Israel and the Jews are super unpopular with the fringe on either side. Strange to watch them workshop excuses in real time afterwords. There has never been a more clown show leadership of a developed country. You never have any idea of what they are going to do, but you can be sure it is not going to be well thought out or executed competently.

I was just reading how last week Patel made massive cuts to the FBI department that monitored possible Iranian threats in the US. These guys are all so clueless and have no plan past whatever they are doing right now.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3316 Posts
March 03 2026 18:01 GMT
#110642
On March 04 2026 02:56 Billyboy wrote:
I was just reading how last week Patel made massive cuts to the FBI department that monitored possible Iranian threats in the US. These guys are all so clueless and have no plan past whatever they are doing right now.


While drinking his morning coffee and reading the bureau's expenses, he noticed "intelligence department" and followed through with the party's overall plan of wanting to keep people dumb and ordered it shut.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2463 Posts
March 03 2026 18:07 GMT
#110643
On March 04 2026 03:01 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2026 02:56 Billyboy wrote:
I was just reading how last week Patel made massive cuts to the FBI department that monitored possible Iranian threats in the US. These guys are all so clueless and have no plan past whatever they are doing right now.


While drinking his morning coffee and reading the bureau's expenses, he noticed "intelligence department" and followed through with the party's overall plan of wanting to keep people dumb and ordered it shut.

The scary part is that could be the real story.
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States769 Posts
March 03 2026 18:10 GMT
#110644
On March 04 2026 01:06 misirlou wrote:
It would've been simple to tell me when was the last time you voted for a democrat you "centrist"- that would've been simple and yet you chose to ignore it.
On March 04 2026 01:53 oBlade wrote:
Yes I remember that question. You asked me when the last time I voted for a Democrat was, except the ones that don't count.
On March 04 2026 01:59 misirlou wrote:
Oblade voted for a democrat lunch lady - all is well, the centrism has been confirmed.
It sounds like next time you should ask for the most recent Presidential candidate in a general election, or Senate or House candidate in the general, or representative to the state legislature, instead of this frankly insane amount of denying what you asked and frantically pivoting away. There's no first prize for acting in the most bad faith towards the most hated member of this thread.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3316 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 18:26:40
March 03 2026 18:20 GMT
#110645
On March 04 2026 03:10 dyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2026 01:06 misirlou wrote:
It would've been simple to tell me when was the last time you voted for a democrat you "centrist"- that would've been simple and yet you chose to ignore it.
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2026 01:53 oBlade wrote:
Yes I remember that question. You asked me when the last time I voted for a Democrat was, except the ones that don't count.
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2026 01:59 misirlou wrote:
Oblade voted for a democrat lunch lady - all is well, the centrism has been confirmed.
It sounds like next time you should ask for the most recent Presidential candidate in a general election, or Senate or House candidate in the general, or representative to the state legislature, instead of this frankly insane amount of denying what you asked and frantically pivoting away. There's no first prize for acting in the most bad faith towards the most hated member of this thread.



when was the last time you voted democrat? - and before you throw out a random local election that doesn't matter to anyone besides you and your neighbours - when was the last time you voted democrat at state or federal level? when are your votes flipping?

https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5506#110109

My phrasing is different from yours. but how is your question different? Is there a specific position you named that wasn't included by my phrasing?

"acting in the most bad faith" me? lmao

Hell, he could even answer with "I voted on a democrat for head of the state's PTA" and that'd shut me up since I guess it was indeed how I posed the question. But that's not what happened. He ignored the question twice and now brought up the fact that I had asked him that question. So who's really hung up about it? He didn't ignore me, he simply refused to awnser but he still remembers the question and who I voted for 2 weeks later. And then proceeds to tell me I'm hung up on it, because I used his own self characterization in conversation and he took that as a personal attack. (A centrist wouldn't be upset about the fact I called them a centrist)

"acting in the most bad faith" me? lmao



On March 04 2026 03:07 Billyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2026 03:01 misirlou wrote:
On March 04 2026 02:56 Billyboy wrote:
I was just reading how last week Patel made massive cuts to the FBI department that monitored possible Iranian threats in the US. These guys are all so clueless and have no plan past whatever they are doing right now.


While drinking his morning coffee and reading the bureau's expenses, he noticed "intelligence department" and followed through with the party's overall plan of wanting to keep people dumb and ordered it shut.

The scary part is that could be the real story.


not only that, he never worked a morning before. But got a scolding for the hokey party and had to put in some actual work as punishment
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 18:52:11
March 03 2026 18:45 GMT
#110646
About a week ago, he claimed he
Supported Obama and Trump
which I took to mean he voted for Obama and then has been voting for Trump ever since. And it could be that because he stated it there, he did not feel like repeating it again. However, if it ever turns out 'supported' does not mean 'voted for in the election'...
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18450 Posts
March 03 2026 18:49 GMT
#110647
[image loading]


Trump didn't even give Rubio enough time to drop off the live news ticker before contradicting him. Poor guy was only repeating what his boss told him yesterday. He can't doublethink that fast Trump! Give him a few hours at least!
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3271 Posts
March 03 2026 18:52 GMT
#110648
War isn't popular, so they're trying to blame someone else, but then they remember they look like gigantic pussies getting pushed around by Netanyahu, so they turn around and say it was their decision because they're big alpha boys.

Wonder what country's going to get bombed next time a batch of Epstein files get released. If I were Cuba I'd be sweating right now.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3316 Posts
March 03 2026 18:52 GMT
#110649
On March 04 2026 03:45 Falling wrote:
About a week ago, he claimed he
Show nested quote +
Supported Obama and Trump
which I took to mean he voted for Obama and then has been voting for Trump ever since. And it could be that because he stated it there, he did not feel like repeating it again. However, if it ever turns out 'supported' does not mean 'voted for in the election'...

thanks
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8195 Posts
March 03 2026 18:58 GMT
#110650
I know military operations always have the most grotesque names, but the fact that they called their little war “operation epic fury” is the cringiest thing.

Hegseth and his band of morons have the same idea of cool and masculine than my 7 years old nephew.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 19:08:48
March 03 2026 19:03 GMT
#110651
https://www.reuters.com/pictures/satellite-images-show-scope-iran-strikes-2026-03-02/

some shots of the destruction thus far.

also another indication that no one really thought things through before lighting the fuse:

US lawmakers slam State Department over lack of help for Americans stuck in Mideast@Reuters

U.S. lawmakers on Tuesday criticized the State Department for urging Americans in the Middle ​East to evacuate three days after the U.S.-Israeli air war against Iran began, saying the late warning and widespread flight disruptions showed poor planning and “incompetence.”

On Monday, the Department urged Americans ‌across 14 countries in the Middle East to immediately depart the region using "available commercial transportation" without offering any U.S.-government-vouched means.

The U.S. embassy in Jerusalem in a statement said it was unable to offer assistance to Americans trying to leave.

"American tax payers are forced to give Israel $3.8 BILLION every single year, and here is our own U.S. embassy in Jerusalem telling Americans good luck getting out, you are on your own," former Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who resigned from Congress after a split ​with President Donald Trump, said in a social media post.
"The betrayal is unbelievable," Greene, who has long advocated against U.S. involvement in foreign wars, said.

The U.S.-Israeli air war against Iran, which started ​on Saturday, has already sent shock waves around the world, disrupting energy supplies and sending global air transport into chaos. Overnight, Iranian drones struck the U.S. embassy ⁠in Saudi Arabia.

Major Gulf aviation hubs, including the world's busiest international airport, Dubai - which normally handles over 1,000 flights a day - remained closed for a fourth day on Tuesday, leaving tens of thousands of passengers ​stranded. Ticket prices have soared.

"Warnings to citizens to evacuate 3 days into this war, when airspace is closed, is a clear sign of ZERO strategy and planning by the Trump admin," Democratic Senator Andy Kim said in ​a post on X.
"Now Americans have limited options to evacuate at an extremely dangerous moment with no government assistance. This administration is failing its citizens," Kim added.

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Tuesday, Trump said: "It all happened very quickly," referring to the war with Iran, when asked why there were no plans to evacuate U.S. citizens.


The State Department did not immediately respond to questions on how exactly Americans should be departing in the absence of available commercial flights or whether Washington ​was planning evacuation flights.


I dig Trump using the passive there, as if things just happened on their own and preparation just out of the question. small beans Commander in Chief just a mere bystander of fate.

reliably crazy "jewish space laser" MTG making sense here and getting good ammunition to further actual anti-semitism/erode Israel's position further is just the icing on the cake.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States769 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 19:18:28
March 03 2026 19:13 GMT
#110652
On March 04 2026 03:20 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2026 03:10 dyhb wrote:
On March 04 2026 01:06 misirlou wrote:
It would've been simple to tell me when was the last time you voted for a democrat you "centrist"- that would've been simple and yet you chose to ignore it.
On March 04 2026 01:53 oBlade wrote:
Yes I remember that question. You asked me when the last time I voted for a Democrat was, except the ones that don't count.
On March 04 2026 01:59 misirlou wrote:
Oblade voted for a democrat lunch lady - all is well, the centrism has been confirmed.
It sounds like next time you should ask for the most recent Presidential candidate in a general election, or Senate or House candidate in the general, or representative to the state legislature, instead of this frankly insane amount of denying what you asked and frantically pivoting away. There's no first prize for acting in the most bad faith towards the most hated member of this thread.


Show nested quote +

when was the last time you voted democrat? - and before you throw out a random local election that doesn't matter to anyone besides you and your neighbours - when was the last time you voted democrat at state or federal level? when are your votes flipping?

https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5506#110109

My phrasing is different from yours. but how is your question different?
It's idiotic and bad faith to ask a question, type out the expectation of a dodge, and asking a second question ... only to re-propose the initial question a couple weeks later. I don't know why you're trolling and then backtracking to pretend a normal person would think you're genuine. He's literally a page before that typing several policy preferences that directly contradict Republican orthodoxy.

On March 04 2026 03:45 Falling wrote:
About a week ago, he claimed he
Show nested quote +
Supported Obama and Trump
which I took to mean he voted for Obama and then has been voting for Trump ever since. And it could be that because he stated it there, he did not feel like repeating it again. However, if it ever turns out 'supported' does not mean 'voted for in the election'...
I asked you how his response fit into your duality of centrism claims (A/B), because you claimed the response was interesting to you, and I thought it didn't fit. Since you never told me after twice asking, I assumed you hadn't thought deeply about your categories, and didn't want to do that with a potential counterexample. I also harbored the possibilities that you were too busy to respond, or were ready to be done with the topic, or some mixture of both. (I think the culture war topics break your mold. Also centrists that have a mixture of traditionally left-wing and right-wing policies held simultaneously, so neither party's ideology fits them)

If you still thought that some Obama and Trump-supporting, anti-free trade, Bernie Sanders social security plan-supporting, anti-Trump grievances regarding the 2020 election, aligned with Obama on a public-option healthcare reform is just another "MAGA supporter" "hiding their power level," but wouldn't say so ...
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 19:38:30
March 03 2026 19:37 GMT
#110653
almost forgot - there's about 18k Austrians in the region, 400k Frenchies, 70k Italians etc...

multiple shits hit the fan at the ministries of the exterior across many EU countries.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Ze'ev
Profile Joined May 2025
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 19:47:50
March 03 2026 19:47 GMT
#110654
Reports are coming out [with footage] of the Artesh 65th Airborn division setting up barricades and checkpoints in Northern Tehran and telling/disarming Basij agents to go home or be shot. Looks like a potential coup by the military against the Islamic Republic.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 20:15:51
March 03 2026 19:52 GMT
#110655
@dyhb
Oh, I thought it was incredibly obvious from my line of questioning what I thought of his centrist claim and thought more would be redundant.

But I'll spell it out for you. He's category A through and through: a Trump supporter 'hiding' his power levels as a centrist. I didn't recognize him as as such because none of his posting struck me as anything approximating centrist, hence everyone meming oBlade's supposed centrism. He posts like a political partisan and never retreated into claiming to be a centrist when pushed on his many tortured defenses of Trump.

But once he claimed the position of a centrist, then he easily falls into the category A. He's just terrible at hiding it and never bothered to claim the centre before now. My follow up questions further solidified this assessment. Whatever centrist positions he has on paper, Trump doesn't match them and is often antithetical to them... except on immigration, and Trump's position on immigration is hardly centrist no matter how oBlade tries to smuggle in Obama's immigration policy as justification for the current use of ICE (and gutting of their training program.)

A centrist should not have such a hard time figuring out why NATO allies are suddenly re-evaluating their military contracts with the US.

You do the same, quite frankly:"Of all the names to appear in the Epstein Files, do you think Hillary and Bill were priority one?" And you dodge because somehow you are unable to answer without knowing Comey's deputy? If you were to now claim to be a centrist, I would say you either just really hate Hillary personally: Screw her in particular or you are not because it doesn't take any level of analysis as to the composition of the committees to answer. If you were making the stereotypical investigation pin board of Epstein's connections, Hillary's pin is off on the adjacent wall. And a true centrist would not have a hard time acknowledging that.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 19:58:29
March 03 2026 19:58 GMT
#110656
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116166926920657651

So, now Trump is on a stage of heroic struggle against problems he created himself. Wish you good luck with organizing convoys like in second world war. That evidently won't distract nobody from declared "focusing assets on Pacific" at all. Also, congrats on hiting the Putin/Lavrov school of diplomacy and accusing Iran on preparing attack first. That completely doesn't make you look like actual madman at all.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Ze'ev
Profile Joined May 2025
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 20:13:54
March 03 2026 20:12 GMT
#110657
- The Artesh navy is not helping blockade the Hormuz strait
- Reports are coming in that they are shutting off electricity and water to IRGC bases and telling the soldiers inside they will be granted safe passage if they surrender their heavy weapons.
- Rumours that the new Ayatollah is dead in the recent bombing.
- Artesh responded to demands they engage the U.S/Israeli forces that they were 'monitoring the border'

Honestly looks fairly plausible that the Islamic Republic is about to be toppled by the military.
Ze'ev
Profile Joined May 2025
159 Posts
March 03 2026 20:34 GMT
#110658
"To the noble people of Iran: The Artesh has watched for 47 years as our nation’s dignity and resources were sacrificed to a failing ideology that brought only isolation and blood. Today, we declare our primary and sole allegiance is to the Iranian soil and its citizens. We will no longer be the sword for those who use our people as human shields. We call on all brothers in the security forces to lay down their arms. The era of the Shadow is over; the era of the Nation begins."

a preliminary translation of a radio address by the military that happened last night.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1757 Posts
March 03 2026 20:37 GMT
#110659
Well, from the looks of it, there's more of Iran's regular "Artesh" army then there is IRGC troops, so that seems good.

On the other hand, I would imagine that IRGC has been preparing for this possibility for quite some time since this it the only internal power that could wrestle control from them, but, then again, these are the same morons (I presume) who were in charge of security for the Ayatollah who had the biggest target ever to be drawn on a person and was still killed in his motherfucking residence in the middle of Teheran.

So IRGC might just be complete morons who get overthrown by army and banished into history.

Considering the best possible scenario is that this goes down peacefully, IRGC puts down their arms and the army takes over and strikes the deal with Trump, I guess that's the current best case scenario since it means stopping the strikes.

But, given what we know about Israel and how it operates, I sincerely doubt Nethyanahu would stop and we might get a Syria scenario where Trump proclaims "mission accomplished" and Israel continues bombing the Army troops.

In any case, even that is better then a prolonged and continued bombing campaign, as Israel has demonstrated and Kehseth the bloodthirsty obviously wants to emulate, when real and obvious military targets run out, the civilian casualty numbers go way, way up, let's hope for any scenario that is not letting this drag on.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Ze'ev
Profile Joined May 2025
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-03 20:41:11
March 03 2026 20:40 GMT
#110660
No way dude; Israel is a brutal country, but the U.S/Israel arent bombing the Artesh on purpose, they wanted to divide the regime from the military+people and its seemingly succeeding. They wont bomb the Artesh because its crazy and totally counter productive. Israel is cruel but they arent unstable and dumb.

Still a very open question where this goes but I am emotionally moved at the possibility of a free iran + the tens of millions of people who were suffering under threat of terrorism finally being safe. In the best case scenario the whole middle east could enter a period of liberalism and peace.
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