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On March 03 2026 23:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2026 23:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 03 2026 23:34 oBlade wrote:
The funny thing about Obama's deal is it's now so old that we are past the point where missile development and centrifuge enrichment provisions would already have sunset. Like it's one thing to be in 2018 and say Trump pulling the US out of the Iran deal is a mistake, but even if he hadn't, by now most of the Iran deal would have pulled out of itself. So instead of extending and updating the deal... we blow them up? Yes. It's that simple.
Good thing you weren't born in Iran you ***************************. It would've been simple to tell me when was the last time you voted for a democrat you "centrist"- that would've been simple and yet you chose to ignore it.
Same way you're ignoring/minimizing thousands of humans suffering right now behind your comfy chair and saying "its that simple". Not a drop of empathy not a shred of decency. You care for nothing besides yourself. Disgusting
They both involve a sap president getting the Nobel Peace Prize before everything falls apart later and someone else eventually has to clean it up
the irony is so strong there's no way this is a sincere thought/belief you have and not just ragebaiting
This whole "but by blowing somebody up to stop them from blowing everyone up, aren't we just as bad" is the kind of moral equivocation that belongs in a Batman comic
"officer, he was going to shoot me so I shot him first it was self defense" - "ok. where's the gun?" asks the police officer.
Now replace "shoot" with "bomb", gun with "WMD"s and "police officer" with "a big portion of westerners"
- where have we seen that before? the previous conservative president? WHAT?!!?!!?! "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..." - are you a fool? tbh atp I just think you're evil.
- so was it really self defense or was it murder?
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Obama derangement syndrome on full display.
Trump is blowing yet another hole in the US budget, as the SoS said because Israel told him to and best the resident centrists have to offer is "but Obama's Iran deal would have expired in a imaginary situation where Trump wasn't elected".
Hmm, who was in Obama's admin and supported the Iran deal, could it be it's the same person that Trump was yelling will start wars if Americans elect her?
Oh, but the sunset clauses were 10 and 15 years, so we have either Biden or Harris, both of whom Trump yelled will start wars, one of whom was Obama's VP when the JCPOE was negotiated and the other was his VP.
I'm actually shocked that our resident pretend centrist is not towing the line of his idol Tucker Carlson who at least has enough principles and consistency in his life to refuse to regurgitate the idiotic propaganda.
I guess that's possible if oBlade here is so brain rotted that he simply can't go against any Trump orthodoxy, or even worse that he is stupid enough to say that Iraq was a great idea just like Iran is now.
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On March 04 2026 01:28 Jankisa wrote:
or even worse that he is stupid enough to say that Iraq was a great idea just like Iran is now.
This whole "but by blowing somebody up to stop them from blowing everyone up, aren't we just as bad" is the kind of moral equivocation that belongs in a Batman comic
He did just say that, atleast that's the logical conclusion of this statement, it's not history it's living memory ffs!!. This shit didn't belong in a Batman comic, it belonged in the Hague, because as it was proven back then, and likely to be proven again now, they had no WMDs
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On March 04 2026 01:06 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2026 23:51 oBlade wrote:On March 03 2026 23:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 03 2026 23:34 oBlade wrote:
The funny thing about Obama's deal is it's now so old that we are past the point where missile development and centrifuge enrichment provisions would already have sunset. Like it's one thing to be in 2018 and say Trump pulling the US out of the Iran deal is a mistake, but even if he hadn't, by now most of the Iran deal would have pulled out of itself. So instead of extending and updating the deal... we blow them up? Yes. It's that simple. Good thing you weren't born in Iran you ***************************. It would've been simple to tell me when was the last time you voted for a democrat you "centrist"- that would've been simple and yet you chose to ignore it.
Yes I remember that question. You asked me (after boasting that you had amazingly voted for more than one party in like the last 5 years of which your parliamentary country had... 6 major parties with overlapping platforms on the ballot?) when the last time I voted for a Democrat was, except the ones that don't count. Imagine I asked you when the last time you voted for a woman was, except "local" politicians that don't matter or affect anything. Like our mayor, city council, school board, governor, and state representatives don't mean anything. That was my first clue to ignore it because I could tell you're someone who's just going to do stuff like this:
On March 04 2026 01:06 misirlou wrote:
Same way you're ignoring/minimizing thousands of humans suffering right now behind your comfy chair and saying "its that simple". Not a drop of empathy not a shred of decency. You care for nothing besides yourself. Disgusting
Surprising that's still nagging at you like you deserved an answer out of your innocent curiosity.
The trolley is moving regardless of what levers we pull. The more you wait, the worse the choices get with time. There's clocks running.
Waiting to solve this problem would have meant more Iranian victims of their regime.
Solving this problem arbitrarily in the future instead of now would have meant a more dangerous and destructive war with worse consequences for everyone involved.
On March 04 2026 01:06 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote + They both involve a sap president getting the Nobel Peace Prize before everything falls apart later and someone else eventually has to clean it up the irony is so strong there's no way this is a sincere thought/belief you have and not just ragebaiting Show nested quote +This whole "but by blowing somebody up to stop them from blowing everyone up, aren't we just as bad" is the kind of moral equivocation that belongs in a Batman comic "officer, he was going to shoot me so I shot him first it was self defense" - "ok. where's the gun?" asks the police officer. Now replace "shoot" with "nuke", gun with "WMD"s and "police officer" with "a big portion of westerners" - where have we seen that before? the previous conservative president? WHAT?!!?!!?! - so was it really self defense or was it murder?
They don't need WMDs dude. They are blowing up people now, live, without them. The same as they have done directly and through proxies for decades. WMD isn't a technicality you can keep your sovereignty if you don't cross. The Khmer Rouge and the regime in Rwanda that committed genocide are not sparkly clean because of a lack of WMDs.
Were Iran's missile stores increasing or decreasing?
WMDs are just a bonus that authoritarians go for when they have the resources and opportunity. It is one Iran has never given up and never intended to give up.
“They then went on to say that beyond the inalienable right to enrich, that that was going to be their starting point. And Jared and I just sort of looked at ourselves flummoxed and said, ‘Well, we’re really in for it now.'”
Witkoff, 68, made worldwide headlines ahead of the Geneva talks when he claimed Iran was “probably a week away from having industrial-grade bomb-making material.”
The special envoy expanded on those remarks Monday: “I know this: They have 10,000, roughly, kilograms of fissionable material. That’s broken up into roughly 460 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium, another 1,000 kilograms of 20% enriched uranium …They manufacture their own centrifuges to enrich this material. So, there’s almost no stopping them. They have an endless supply of it.
“The 60% material, Sean, can be brought to 90%, that’s weapons-grade, in roughly one week, maybe 10 days at the outside. The 20% can be brought to weapons-grade inside of three to four weeks.”
“They were proud of it,” Witkoff went on. “They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”
Witkoff also claimed that he and Kushner, on behalf of the US, offered to provide Iran nuclear fuel for the next decade on the condition it was not used for any weapons program.
“They rejected that, which told us at that very moment that they had no — no notion of doing anything other than retaining enrichment for the purpose of weaponizing.”
https://nypost.com/2026/03/03/us-news/iran-claimed-to-have-enough-uranium-for-11-nuclear-bombs-during-geneva-talks-us-envoy-witkoff-says/
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Oblade voted for a democrat lunch lady - all is well, the centrism has been confirmed.
Solving this problem arbitrarily in the future instead of now would have meant a more dangerous and destructive war with worse consequences for everyone involved.
When you watched minority report did you think it was just an OK Tom Cruise movie?
Again, you're repeating Iraq war propaganda - They were also the enemy that had to be dealt with sooner rather than later. Because CIA's/DoD's crystal ball said so
the Iranian regime was a crime against humanity.
Not the only one, but lets take one step at a time, I can agree with that . Is the US picking and choosing where to focus first and improving "humanity" in those places? How's the common Iraqi doing these days?
The trolley keeps moving because YOUR COUNTRY keeps pushing it
Steven Charles Witkoff (born March 15, 1957) is an American real estate developer, investor, and founder of the Witkoff Group. Since 2025, Witkoff has served as the United States special envoy to the Middle East[1] and special envoy for peace missions.[2] He has also acted as a de facto envoy to Russian president Vladimir Putin
this is the nuclear expert your article quotes? Alright nice credentials, I can trust him to do simple addition and multiplication to know exactly how much uranium Iran has, and probably a nice enough calendar where he circled with a sharpy the date Iran would get their weapons grade uranium.
I mean yeah, real estate agents are known for their shrewd business tactics. I'd select two of them to broker international nuclear teatries if I were president too. They'll get us the best deals
anw
when the last time I voted for a Democrat was, except the ones that don't count
I asked state or federal - if you think that's "debate tactic" from me, or that I'd keep doing it, honestly, says more about yourself than me. It's a pertinent exclusion to the thread. We are not discussing New Orleans politics, we are discussing US-politics, so me including "state" level elections is even being charitable. But sure, use that to keep dodging the question. Again, it was a simple answer. Simpler than bombing people, which you are ok with doing.
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Being kinder to its own citizens hasn't been a requirement of Venezuala and isn't a requirement of Iran. And it would make no sense for the "empathy is cancer" political movement to be concerned with such things. The only requirement is submission.
The goal isn't to turn adversarial dictatorships into Estonia, it's to turn them into Belarus.
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On March 04 2026 02:06 Dan HH wrote:
Being kinder to its own citizens hasn't been a requirement of Venezuala and isn't a requirement of Iran. And it would make no sense for the "empathy is cancer" political movement to be concerned with such things. The only requirement is submission.
The goal isn't to turn adversarial dictatorships into Estonia, it's to turn them into Belarus.
I think it doesn’t much matter. Either works for them.
There could be some benefits for Iranians and the region as the whole (unlikely given the history of intervention, but possible) but in no way is it a goal of any of the decision makers. Hell they do not even pretend it is.
Right now the strategy on explaining the strategy seems to be, give a different response each time and see what MAGA bloggers like than stick to that one. And we are at the throw everything against the wall stage.
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On March 04 2026 01:59 misirlou wrote:Oblade voted for a democrat lunch lady - all is well, the centrism has been confirmed. Show nested quote +
Solving this problem arbitrarily in the future instead of now would have meant a more dangerous and destructive war with worse consequences for everyone involved.
When you watched minority report did you think it was just an OK Tom Cruise movie? Again, you're repeating Iraq war propaganda - They were also the enemy that had to be dealt with sooner rather than later. Because CIA's/DoD's crystal ball said so Not the only one, but lets take one step at a time, I can agree with that . Is the US picking and choosing where to focus first and improving "humanity" in those places? How's the common Iraqi doing these days? The trolley keeps moving because YOUR PARTY keeps pushing it Show nested quote +
Steven Charles Witkoff (born March 15, 1957) is an American real estate developer, investor, and founder of the Witkoff Group. Since 2025, Witkoff has served as the United States special envoy to the Middle East[1] and special envoy for peace missions.[2] He has also acted as a de facto envoy to Russian president Vladimir Putin
this is the nuclear expert your article quotes? Alright nice credentials, I can trust him to do simple addition and multiplication to know exactly how much uranium Iran has
1) I don't have a party, you are hallucinating.
2) Iraq's GDP is up like 10x and the average Iraqi is not living under a dictator which it was the national policy of the US to remove from 1991-2003. The disbanding of the Iraqi army, and occupation, were a mistake, and expensive, but it's not Afghanistan it did ultimately work also.
3) Iran is not Iraq just because 75% of the letters are the same. That's the kind of simplicity behind Cheney and Bolton.
4) Your argument is Republicans made the Ayatollahs blow up hotels in Dubai, this is specious at best. How do you trust that to be a rational actor? "As long as we let them have some nuclear weapons, they promise they won't blow up any Israels."
Do you notice Syria or Egypt or Turkey or Somalia or Brazil or Venezuela or Portugal or Saudi Arabia or Germany with nuclear weapons programs? Okay. How'd they manage not to go for it even though there's no nuclear deal for that specific country?
Answer: By their regimes not being fucking insane.
List of nuclear deals that worked: Libya
List of nuclear deals that didn't work: North Korea
List of you know what this clearly isn't working let's cut this one off at the pass: Iran
If you are already at the stage of making a "nuclear deal" things are precarious.
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Ah yes, going to war based on known truth teller Steve "Crypto scamming across the world" Witkoff, indeed, what a very smart political observer our resident centrist here is!
Who cares that SoC admitted they did this because Israel said they are going, who cares that the WMD program was "obliterated" and that Nethyanahu is openly bragging about getting Trump to do what he wanted for 40 years.
Nah, it's just the good old USA, keeping the world safe from imaginary WMD, a few dozen bombs at the time.
If one of them happens to blow up a school, well, that's just price of keeping the world safe! How fucking noble. Ghoul.
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United States43987 Posts
On March 03 2026 23:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2026 03:51 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2026 03:37 oBlade wrote:
There is already no "Iran." Random missiles to Iraq and Oman and Kuwait is a product of central command and control collapse.
Gulf states are realistic and logical enough to realize that even if such an entity could be "negotiated" with it could not be trusted in the future not to randomly crash out again and fire missiles or bomb things as it has a long history of doing. Let alone continue on the missile and nuke path. Randomly? This just happened out of nowhere? Nobody knows what might have triggered it? If you're on a bus and someone asks for your seat, and you refuse, and he punches 5 other people, his actions are "random" in the sense of capricious, arbitrary, and not a rational consequence of what preceded them. He could also have punched the driver, shot himself, or jumped out of the window, any one of which would be completely random even though in every case we know what set the nut off. Now imagine Iran is the person who asked for your seat, and it was a nuclear seat.
Angling for that FIFA prize for the dumbest comparison?
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On March 04 2026 01:53 oBlade wrote:
Were Iran's missile stores increasing or decreasing?
ok, let's go back to the person in self defense analogy - Maybe the guy that was killed did have a gun - it's his 2nd ammendment right after all - Iran can have missiles, it's their right. Did the guy/Iran have the finger on the trigger?
Where is the evidence? Does the first person/the US just play judge jury executioner?
The area is destabilized and a war zone, it has been for 30 years - much fault of the US but that's besides the point - two guys fighting at a bar, security comes over slams one of them and kills them - Why does the security guard get to decide which of the drunks deserved to die? Did either of them?
Why did the US pick Iran? They're all at each other's throats. Yes yes, strategic reasons, allies, etc etc. Why are those alliances the way they are? How does US siding with Saudis instead of Iran help the average american? How does it further your common citizens interests?
I'll tell you what, it does benefit the president and his buddies
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On March 04 2026 02:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2026 23:34 oBlade wrote:On March 03 2026 03:51 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2026 03:37 oBlade wrote:
There is already no "Iran." Random missiles to Iraq and Oman and Kuwait is a product of central command and control collapse.
Gulf states are realistic and logical enough to realize that even if such an entity could be "negotiated" with it could not be trusted in the future not to randomly crash out again and fire missiles or bomb things as it has a long history of doing. Let alone continue on the missile and nuke path. Randomly? This just happened out of nowhere? Nobody knows what might have triggered it? If you're on a bus and someone asks for your seat, and you refuse, and he punches 5 other people, his actions are "random" in the sense of capricious, arbitrary, and not a rational consequence of what preceded them. He could also have punched the driver, shot himself, or jumped out of the window, any one of which would be completely random even though in every case we know what set the nut off. Now imagine Iran is the person who asked for your seat, and it was a nuclear seat. Angling for that FIFA prize for the dumbest comparison?
I'm just wondering how all the brains behind the Gulf states and US military could miss your hindsight prediction. I mean it's so simple, so obvious, if a country's leader were killed, the first thing to do would be to launch suicide drones at hotels in Dubai. But that seems like something you could prevent if you had foresight with enough air and point defense. They should have been more prepared for that clear and direct retaliation against hotels in Dubai.
On March 04 2026 02:31 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2026 01:53 oBlade wrote:
Were Iran's missile stores increasing or decreasing?
ok, let's go back to the person in self defense analogy - Maybe the guy that was killed did have a gun - it's his 2nd ammendment right after all - Iran can have missiles, it's their right. Did the guy/Iran have the finger on the trigger? Where is the evidence? Does the first person/the US just play judge jury executioner? The area is destabilized and a war zone, it has been for 30 years - much fault of the US but that's besides the point - two guys fighting at a bar, security comes over slams one of them and kills them - Why does the security guard get to decide which of the drunks deserved to die? Did either of them? Why did the US pick Iran? They're all at each other's throats. Yes yes, strategic reasons, allies, etc etc. Why are those alliances the way they are? How does US siding with Saudis instead of Iran help the average american? How does it further your common citizens interests? I'll tell you what, it does benefit the president and his buddies
You've waffled between I'm "ignoring/minimizing thousands of humans suffering" to now how does this help the average American. Make up your mind if you want me to be cynical and selfish or not?
The next time Iran blows up a barracks of 250 marines it would help those Americans if that didn't happen. How can you miss the basic point of the other side? When Hezbollah and Hamas disappear and stop blocking a 2-state solution it will help the hundreds and thousands of people killed in wars triggered by militant terrorists. When Iran never gets nuclear capability it will save hundreds of thousands to millions that they would otherwise gladly martyr in the Ayatollahs' mad war.
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Northern Ireland26785 Posts
On March 04 2026 00:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2026 00:31 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2026 23:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Netanyahu constantly crying wolf about Iran having nukes is one the the reasons I like to make fun of the doomsday clock. I think we're at 80 seconds to midnight now.
This is the closest we've ever been to total nuclear annihilation. It is 40 seconds closer than the 80s Iron Maiden song '2 minutes to midnight' 😎
Get in your bomb shelters guys. Bomb shelters were a real thing in the USA in the 70s. In one of the most popular TV Shows of the 70s 'Happy Days' the Cunningham family buys a bomb shelter. Pretty ironic, the show is called 'Happy Days' and the episode is about total annihilation.
Of course, the 60s featured the Cuban Missile Crisis. We were on the verge of death then as well
75 years of dire warnings and not 1 bomb dropped. Hmmm.... Bomb shelters are only relevant in very limited nuclear war, which doesn't sound like a thing that is very likely. In any full-on armageddon scenario, they are pointless. You will just burn in your shelter or die from nuclear fallout afterwards. Unless you happen to live in a really remote area, in which case you most likely die to starvation when nuclear winter sets in, or cancer from fallout over the next few years. This is the main reason why i don't really worry about nuclear war in my daily live. I can't influence it, and if it happens, i am 99.9% certainly dead anyways, so why bother worrying. Also, "armageddon hasn't happened yet, so it cannot happen" has major "why do we pay so much money for levee maintenance anyway, there hasn't been any major flood damage in a long while" energy. Or "Why should i bother to get vaccinated, no one gets measles anyways". Measles and floods happen all the time though. The magical, mystical nuclear bomb has only allegedly been dropped twice in military combat. However, the US government and its messengers in the media will do everything they can to scare everyone into believing $800B/year on military is a great deal. Netanyahu has been crying wolf about Iran's nuclear threat for 30+ years. Sorry, I ain't buyin' it. I think he is lying. And, I think he has been lying for 30+ years. Show nested quote +On March 04 2026 00:31 Simberto wrote:
Bomb shelters are only relevant in very limited nuclear war, which doesn't sound like a thing that is very likely.
Don't take popular sit-coms like "Happy Days" too seriously. The episode underscores the hysteria of the time. The TV Show actually intended the purchase of a bomb shelter as a very real way to deal with an imminent threat. Related to that, the most popular on campus drinking post in Canada's #1 tech school was called "The Bomb Shelter".
Allegedly? :S
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United States43987 Posts
On March 04 2026 02:32 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2026 02:25 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2026 23:34 oBlade wrote:On March 03 2026 03:51 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2026 03:37 oBlade wrote:
There is already no "Iran." Random missiles to Iraq and Oman and Kuwait is a product of central command and control collapse.
Gulf states are realistic and logical enough to realize that even if such an entity could be "negotiated" with it could not be trusted in the future not to randomly crash out again and fire missiles or bomb things as it has a long history of doing. Let alone continue on the missile and nuke path. Randomly? This just happened out of nowhere? Nobody knows what might have triggered it? If you're on a bus and someone asks for your seat, and you refuse, and he punches 5 other people, his actions are "random" in the sense of capricious, arbitrary, and not a rational consequence of what preceded them. He could also have punched the driver, shot himself, or jumped out of the window, any one of which would be completely random even though in every case we know what set the nut off. Now imagine Iran is the person who asked for your seat, and it was a nuclear seat. Angling for that FIFA prize for the dumbest comparison? I'm just wondering how all the brains behind the Gulf states and US military could miss your hindsight prediction. I mean it's so simple, so obvious, if a country's leader were killed, the first thing to do would be to launch suicide drones at hotels in Dubai. But that seems like something you could prevent if you had foresight with enough air and point defense. They should have been more prepared for that clear and direct retaliation against hotels in Dubai.
Valid attempt. Sorry for confusing you. There isn't really a FIFA prize for dumb takes. You can stop trying.
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Northern Ireland26785 Posts
On March 04 2026 01:28 Jankisa wrote:
Obama derangement syndrome on full display.
Trump is blowing yet another hole in the US budget, as the SoS said because Israel told him to and best the resident centrists have to offer is "but Obama's Iran deal would have expired in a imaginary situation where Trump wasn't elected".
Hmm, who was in Obama's admin and supported the Iran deal, could it be it's the same person that Trump was yelling will start wars if Americans elect her?
Oh, but the sunset clauses were 10 and 15 years, so we have either Biden or Harris, both of whom Trump yelled will start wars, one of whom was Obama's VP when the JCPOE was negotiated and the other was his VP.
I'm actually shocked that our resident pretend centrist is not towing the line of his idol Tucker Carlson who at least has enough principles and consistency in his life to refuse to regurgitate the idiotic propaganda.
I guess that's possible if oBlade here is so brain rotted that he simply can't go against any Trump orthodoxy, or even worse that he is stupid enough to say that Iraq was a great idea just like Iran is now.
If not for the very real deleterious consequences, if it turned out Trump was some dedicated performance artist trying to demonstrate just how far mental gymnastics can stretch synapses I’d almost respect the piece as a masterwork.
It’s really quite something. Aside from the endless U-turns, both in action and rhetoric, some of the stuff coming out of this admin is unbelievable. Or well, all-too believable, but it shouldn’t be.
‘Yeah Israel were gonna do it anyway so we jumped in’. ‘We don’t really have an actual plan’. Oh and of course the usual bitching at allies for transgressions such as not wanting to attack Iran at Israel’s best at short notice with no real plan.
Fucking. Hell
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On March 04 2026 02:32 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2026 02:25 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2026 23:34 oBlade wrote:On March 03 2026 03:51 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2026 03:37 oBlade wrote:
There is already no "Iran." Random missiles to Iraq and Oman and Kuwait is a product of central command and control collapse.
Gulf states are realistic and logical enough to realize that even if such an entity could be "negotiated" with it could not be trusted in the future not to randomly crash out again and fire missiles or bomb things as it has a long history of doing. Let alone continue on the missile and nuke path. Randomly? This just happened out of nowhere? Nobody knows what might have triggered it? If you're on a bus and someone asks for your seat, and you refuse, and he punches 5 other people, his actions are "random" in the sense of capricious, arbitrary, and not a rational consequence of what preceded them. He could also have punched the driver, shot himself, or jumped out of the window, any one of which would be completely random even though in every case we know what set the nut off. Now imagine Iran is the person who asked for your seat, and it was a nuclear seat. Angling for that FIFA prize for the dumbest comparison? I'm just wondering how all the brains behind the Gulf states and US military could miss your hindsight prediction. I mean it's so simple, so obvious, if a country's leader were killed, the first thing to do would be to launch suicide drones at hotels in Dubai. But that seems like something you could prevent if you had foresight with enough air and point defense. They should have been more prepared for that clear and direct retaliation against hotels in Dubai.
for a guy deep in the conspiracy circles, Im surprised I have to spell it out.
Not so /tinfoilhat - they know of the risk, get themselves and their families in the bunker and let a few civilian casualties further their propaganda and get public opinion on their side - construction tycoons get to make a few bucks rebuilding too.
And all paid for by the taxes of the working class - because having a wealth tax is too outrageous so yeah let's tax income highly because that's more fair - even though it further prevents climbing the economic ladder without resorting to tax avoidance schemes.
I don't recall a time where it was true that "well the US could've intervened sooner but they chose not to" - the US intervenes when there's money to be made by the oil/arms/construction industry.
It wasn't WMDs
It wasn't Human Rights
It was money to be made.
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“We were having negotiations with these lunatics
is this a art of the deal quote? Or is the sitting president talking about another country he was trying to broker a peace deal with and instead preemptively attacked?
Mirror
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Finland963 Posts
So there's no nuclear deal for Germany, yet somehow they're talking with France to extend the French nuclear umbrella to also cover Germany, there's nuclear weapons in Germany through the NATO membership, and they've signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty. No deal if you don't count all the deals.
Joke's on me for falling for it again, I guess.
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Northern Ireland26785 Posts
Ah thanks for the update, that makes much more sense! Hard to keep up with the profound pronouncements of FIFA’s Man of Peace
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