EPTThe White House just said they would be willing to meet with Putin in Moscow when this news dropped on NPR. Of course they are going after the red state democrats, because they are at the greatest risk. But it shows that Russian efforts are every in tune with the current political climate.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The White House just said they would be willing to meet with Putin in Moscow when this news dropped on NPR. Of course they are going after the red state democrats, because they are at the greatest risk. But it shows that Russian efforts are every in tune with the current political climate. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On July 27 2018 23:54 KwarK wrote: That’s pretty far below the 300% Trump claimed. Give him time to organize his large public works projects. | ||
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Velr
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ShoCkeyy
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In recent news, Putin invited Trump during a visit to Johannesburg instead. The left are calling this Trump's exit strategy. I would expect that if the blue wave did come this midterm, they would be gunning it for Trump. Even then, how much use is Trump to Russia? What if he really does have dementia, what could he possibly tell Russia that is of importance other than a pissing contest, and bending over for Putin. Russia President Vladimir Putin on Friday said he invited President Donald Trump to Russia for another face-to-face meeting — a meeting the White House says Trump is open to. “We are ready to invite President Trump to Moscow. He has, by the way, such an invitation, I told him about it,” Putin said in Johannesburg, South Africa, where he is there for an economic summit, NBC News reports. The announcement comes two days after the White House announced it is delaying a second meeting between the two leaders. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement that: “President Trump looks forward to having President Putin to Washington after the first of the year, and he is open to visiting Moscow upon receiving a formal invitation.” White House national security adviser John Bolton said Wednesday that it's Trump’s preference to not meet with Putin until 2019 when “the Russia witch hunt is over." Special counsel Robert Mueller does not have a set deadline into his investigation on Russia's interference into the 2016 election and Trump's presidential campaign. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think its safe to say that Putin will offer Trump a big bag of money to spill state secrets once his Presidency is over.https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/27/trump-putin-meeting-745136 In recent news, Putin invited Trump during a visit to Johannesburg instead. The left are calling this Trump's exit strategy. I would expect that if the blue wave did come this midterm, they would be gunning it for Trump. Even then, how much use is Trump to Russia? What if he really does have dementia, what could he possibly tell Russia that is of importance other than a pissing contest, and bending over for Putin. That or the blackmail they are using against him now. | ||
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10967 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. They are against us in a ton of places in the middle east. They are against us in what we want for Ukraine. They are against the EU and US has been until now very pro EU. I mean... Russia going to Iraq and Afghanistan does not really mean anything | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But this article about polling related to Kavanaugh appointment was interesting. The majority of Americas do not want Roe overturned and shockingly, the majority of Republican men don't want it changed. The strongest group in support of overturning the ruling is Republican women. CNN recently did an update on basic support for the nomination and Kavanaugh does not enjoy the broad support that even Gorsuch had. The reason behind the shortfall in support is anyone's guess. Personally, from folks non political folks I have talked to say it does feel like a political land grab after the McConnell stonewall stunt in 2016. We will see if they can push it through before November. The have a spending bill fight in September which is going to be a blast. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. This notion doesn't stand up to even basic scrutiny as it would seem that you're the one who has some catching up to do. Even Fox News can't entirely avoid the truth of the fact that Russia meddled in the recent US elections, and that's only one example among many. | ||
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Yurie
12175 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_Forces_in_Europe Georgia, Ukraine etc. Russia is acting aggressively next to US allies. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. Right, except for the bit where they hacked political parties and launch digital attacks against infrastructure. Yes, the cold war has ended. No Russia is not going to invade the US (They'd do Eastern Europe if they thought they could get away with it, see Ukraine). But Russia is still very much an adversary of the US (and the West in general). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. They are literally trying to hack our elections. Trying to influence our democratic process through covert means, attacking our right to sovereignty and self governance. Now people will say the US has done the same thing before. That is correct and the nations we did it to do not consider the US to be a friendly state. So there is no reason for us to consider Putin’s Government as anything other than an adversary. On July 28 2018 01:36 Gorsameth wrote: Right, except for the bit where they hacked political parties and launch digital attacks against infrastructure. Yes, the cold war has ended. No Russia is not going to invade the US (They'd do Eastern Europe if they thought they could get away with it, see Ukraine). But Russia is still very much an adversary of the US (and the West in general). Even more to the point, Russia was never going to invade the US during the cold war either. Nazi Germany was never going to invade during WW2(fuck I would be shocked if they could have invaded England). North Korea wasn't a threat to the US in the 1950s. Both times we joined the World Wars on behalf of allied nations, not because we felt we were going to be invaded. If people look through history, many nations adversarial relationships due to the countries and people they ally with, not because they fear a direct attack on their homeland. Russia doesn't fear we will invade them either. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. they're not an enemy to quite that degree; but they're still an enemy. also saddam hussein wasn't really an enemy of the US himself, things just turned out that way later. but he wasn't attacking us at all iirc; or at least not much. so he's an inapt example. also the whole election interference thing is annoying. I'd prefer they not interfere with our elections. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/26/trump-org-cfo-called-to-grand-jury-to-testify-wsj.html A federal grand jury investigating President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen for possible crimes has subpoenaed the chief financial officer of Trump's company, Allen Weisselberg, to testify, a new report said Thursday. The Wall Street Journal, citing sources familiar with the case, said that Weisselberg, who is an executive of the Trump Organization, is considered a witness in the ongoing probe of Trump's ex-attorney Michael Cohen. The newspaper said it is not clear if Weisselberg has already testified to the grand jury, which is meeting in New York City. Weisselberg, 70, was mentioned by Cohen in a conversation that Cohen secretly recorded with Trump in September 2016 that discussed buying the rights to the story of Playboy model Karen McDougal, who claims she had an affair with the president. The recording of that conversation was aired earlier this week by CNN. Cohen is heard on the tape telling Trump that he needed to set up a company to make the payment, adding, "I've spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up." The payment to McDougal was never made, according to Rudy Giuliani, Trump's current lawyer. Giulani has said that Trump waived attorney-client privilege for that tape, which had been seized by FBI agents when they raided Cohen's office and residences in New York City in April. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2018 02:08 ShoCkeyy wrote: I feel like the arguing it not helping the thread anymore due to news not constantly flowing. Trumps personal CFO to the Trump brand is called to testify, due to him being mentioned in said tapes. Wasn't Mueller already looking into Trump's business dealings as well? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/26/trump-org-cfo-called-to-grand-jury-to-testify-wsj.html I believe the Mueller investigation requested the business records for the Trump Org. Cohen is being investigated by the US district attorney’s office based in New York(not sure what the specific district/title is), which is a separate case. The two investigations involve a lot of the same people and records, which is why they have been sharing evidence. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:39 Plansix wrote: They are literally trying to hack our elections. Trying to influence our democratic process through covert means, attacking our right to sovereignty and self governance. Now people will say the US has done the same thing before. That is correct and the nations we did it to do not consider the US to be a friendly state. So there is no reason for us to consider Putin’s Government as anything other than an adversary. Even more to the point, Russia was never going to invade the US during the cold war either. Nazi Germany was never going to invade during WW2(fuck I would be shocked if they could have invaded England). North Korea wasn't a threat to the US in the 1950s. Both times we joined the World Wars on behalf of allied nations, not because we felt we were going to be invaded. If people look through history, many nations adversarial relationships due to the countries and people they ally with, not because they fear a direct attack on their homeland. Russia doesn't fear we will invade them either. Pretty sure getting attacked on the homeland is the only reason we entered WWII. US corporations were helping the Nazi's. Most of the first German military vehicles driving across Europe were GM and Ford vehicles. American managers of both GM and Ford went along with the conversion of their German plants to military production at a time when U.S. government documents show they were still resisting calls by the Roosevelt administration to step up military production in their plants at home. After three years of national soul-searching, Switzerland's largest banks agreed last August to make a $1.25 billion settlement to Holocaust survivors, a step they had initially resisted. Far from dying down, however, the controversy over business dealings with the Nazis has given new impetus to long-standing investigations into issues such as looted art, unpaid insurance benefits and the use of forced labor at German factories. Although some of the allegations against GM and Ford surfaced during 1974 congressional hearings into monopolistic practices in the automobile industry, American corporations have largely succeeded in playing down their connections to Nazi Germany. As with Switzerland, however, their very success in projecting a wholesome, patriotic image of themselves is now being turned against them by their critics. www.washingtonpost.com The US fights for it's corporate interests and concentration of wealth and power and imperialism. Not to save allies, democracy, or justice. EDIT: I should add that Russia isn't quite so sure considering we've surrounded their country with US military installations. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On July 28 2018 01:31 funnybananaman wrote: Why do people think the us should treat Russia as an enemy akin to Saddam Hussein, O-bin laden or the like? Russia hasn't been belligerent in any anti-USA way since the cold war, 1989. catch up with modern times people. So hacking our politicians and using troll farms, spies, and creating fake news organizations as well as fake movements to change the outcome of our election isn't being belligerent? Do go on... | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On July 28 2018 02:30 GreenHorizons wrote: Pretty sure getting attacked on the homeland is the only reason we entered WWII. US corporations were helping the Nazi's. Most of the first German military vehicles driving across Europe were GM and Ford vehicles. www.washingtonpost.com The US fights for it's corporate interests and concentration of wealth and power and imperialism. Not to save allies, democracy, or justice. EDIT: I should add that Russia isn't quite so sure considering we've surrounded their country with US military installations. I agree with your overall conclusion, but I think it might be a bit misleading to say that based on this quote alone if the government asked them to step up military production at home and the corporations disobeyed. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On July 28 2018 03:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote: I agree with your overall conclusion, but I think it might be a bit misleading to say that based on this quote alone if the government asked them to step up military production at home and the corporations disobeyed. Not sure which conclusion you're talking about but the img you see in the article is of Nazis awarding Ford their highest honor. As they say, a picture is worth 1000 words. | ||
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