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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23230 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-27 10:12:30
July 27 2018 10:12 GMT
#10941
On July 27 2018 19:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm not sure taping Trump is unethical when the guy lies so much. Working with him must be hell, because he might blame you for not doing something he never asked, or blame you for doing something he did asked, while denying he did. You can't just rely on a prior discussion being genuine like with regular people, because you know he can do a 180 without blinking and you are the one who has to crawl out from under the bus.


The appropriate thing to do in that case would be to quit. But just to be clear that wasn't what I was calling "unethically sourced"
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-27 10:29:21
July 27 2018 10:28 GMT
#10942
On July 27 2018 19:09 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2018 19:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm not sure taping Trump is unethical when the guy lies so much. Working with him must be hell, because he might blame you for not doing something he never asked, or blame you for doing something he did asked, while denying he did. You can't just rely on a prior discussion being genuine like with regular people, because you know he can do a 180 without blinking and you are the one who has to crawl out from under the bus.
The point is your supposed to tell him your taping the conversation.

It is perfectly legal in NY, so there is that. It is bad to do if you are an attorney taping your client without their knowledge. Like getting disbarred bad. But legal otherwise.

And reporters do not give a fuck at all about how the tape was made. No news organizations have or ever will. There is nothing unethical about it.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2018 10:59 GMT
#10943
A city of 90,000 people is potentially at risk of being burned to the ground as a Wildfire sweeps through. You think this would be major news, hell Gatlinburg nearly burned down a few years ago but the authorities didn't abandon trying to fight the fire. How Oregon, and California haven't declared state of emergencies is bizarre.

From last night:



A rapidly expanding wildfire in Northern California surged into parts of the city of Redding late Thursday, sending residents scrambling to escape the inferno.

Images posted on social media showed orange and red flames glowing against the night sky. Long lines of vehicles backed up as people tried to flee parts of Redding, a city of 92,000 people about 100 miles south of the Oregon border.

One person was killed, a privately hired bulldozer operator who was fighting the fire, the authorities said.

“This fire is extremely dangerous and moving with no regard for what’s in its path,” said Bret Gouvea, incident commander for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire.

Some firefighters and civilians were injured, but the exact number was not yet known, Chief Gouvea said.

At 10:30 p.m., a news anchor at KRCR-TV, an ABC-affiliated television station in Redding, abruptly announced that the station was under evacuation orders.

“Right now we are being evacuated and that’s why we are kind of closing out right now,” said the anchor, Allison Woods. “We are going to leave the station because it is now unsafe to be here.”

The fire was started Monday by “mechanical failure of a vehicle” in the Whiskeytown National Recreation Area, Cal Fire said in a report, without elaborating.

By late Wednesday the fire, known as the Carr Fire, had engulfed 6,700 acres. It expanded to 20,000 acres by Thursday morning and to more than 28,000 acres by Thursday evening, with just 6 percent of it contained.

Hot, dry weather fueled the fire. The temperature peaked at 113 degrees in Redding on Thursday and hovered around 90 late Thursday night.

“Tonight it blew up and blew into the city limits of the city of Redding,” said Scott McLean, a spokesman for Cal Fire.

Multiple structures were on fire on the west side of the city, and the speed of the blaze’s expansion recalled the deadly wildfires north of San Francisco last year.

“This fire is just extremely dynamic,” Mr. McLean said. “We really haven’t seen anything like this except for last year on the Tubbs.”

The Tubbs fire, wind-driven blazes that ravaged Sonoma and Napa Counties, killed 22 people and destroyed more than 5,500 structures, making it the most destructive wildfire in California history.

That disaster raised questions about emergency alert and evacuation systems for fast-moving fires. Sonoma, Napa and other counties used alert systems that send text messages to mobile phones. But those warnings generally go only to the people who have signed up to receive them, and the fires knocked out cellular service in many areas.

The authorities then described a chaotic scramble to evacuate residents. Similar situations were reported on social media on Thursday night in the Redding area.

The weather conditions that fostered the surging flames in Redding — blistering temperatures, low humidity and a steady wind — are expected to continue on Friday.

In addition to the Carr fire, large wildfires are burning in Central and Southern California. The Ferguson fire caused the largest closing of Yosemite National Park in 30 years, and the Cranston fire is only 5 percent contained in the San Jacinto Mountains in Southern California.

A man suspected of starting the Cranston fire was arrested on Wednesday night and charged with five counts of arson to wildland.


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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
July 27 2018 11:00 GMT
#10944
On July 27 2018 18:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2018 18:24 On_Slaught wrote:
That the President of the United States has been secretly paying off multiple women to keep affairs quiet (including a possible pregnancy), and then lied about it to the America people, is most definitely real news and not just tabloid trash. That alone would basically get any other President in history impeached before even taking into consideration the possible campaign finance violations. That it only rings a 4/10 on the Trump Controversy scale is an indictment of how out of control this administration is, not the news story itself.


In 2014 none of that would surprise anyone. I find it hard to believe anyone is actually surprised. So basically you have the rumor (pretty much anyone would have believed before he became president) becoming slightly more real and specific. No that's not news, that's tabloid trash at least imo.

If they are allegedly tied to campaign finance violations, lucky for Trump they are basically worthless in that they have to prove Trump (who everyone thinks is an idiot) fully grasped that it would be illegal and have intentionally broke the law.

Remember when this all started and I said he was going to eventually get his "extremely careless" pass? That's where all that would fall anyway. If Comey didn't think you could prove intention with Hillary's server there's no way anyone can prove Trump understood campaign finance law and intentionally broke it.

I know I'm always telling you guys to calm down and that whatever the latest thing is will not end Trump but I just have to say it's not because I don't think he should be locked under the worst prison in the country, it's because every single sign is flashing in bright neon that it's not happening.


Nobody is surprised, but confirmation makes a difference. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about one affair. If Trump's going to lie about... three? Four?

Surely that makes sense as a matter of interest, yes?
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23230 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-27 11:05:10
July 27 2018 11:01 GMT
#10945
On July 27 2018 19:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2018 19:09 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 27 2018 19:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm not sure taping Trump is unethical when the guy lies so much. Working with him must be hell, because he might blame you for not doing something he never asked, or blame you for doing something he did asked, while denying he did. You can't just rely on a prior discussion being genuine like with regular people, because you know he can do a 180 without blinking and you are the one who has to crawl out from under the bus.
The point is your supposed to tell him your taping the conversation.

It is perfectly legal in NY, so there is that. It is bad to do if you are an attorney taping your client without their knowledge. Like getting disbarred bad. But legal otherwise.

And reporters do not give a fuck at all about how the tape was made. No news organizations have or ever will. There is nothing unethical about it.


Not sure why everyone keeps focusing on what I wasn't saying

actually I was talking about running an anonymous source for no stated reason. Of course we should all know it was for ad money pure and simple. It's journalism ethics 101, So I don't think I would put much credibility in any "serious" publication that doesn't mention it.


I'm talking about basic ethics when it comes to running anonymous sources. I know you're an NPR fan so there ya go. I'd expect them to at least mention it if they have a story up.

http://ethics.npr.org/tag/anonymity/

On July 27 2018 20:00 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2018 18:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 27 2018 18:24 On_Slaught wrote:
That the President of the United States has been secretly paying off multiple women to keep affairs quiet (including a possible pregnancy), and then lied about it to the America people, is most definitely real news and not just tabloid trash. That alone would basically get any other President in history impeached before even taking into consideration the possible campaign finance violations. That it only rings a 4/10 on the Trump Controversy scale is an indictment of how out of control this administration is, not the news story itself.


In 2014 none of that would surprise anyone. I find it hard to believe anyone is actually surprised. So basically you have the rumor (pretty much anyone would have believed before he became president) becoming slightly more real and specific. No that's not news, that's tabloid trash at least imo.

If they are allegedly tied to campaign finance violations, lucky for Trump they are basically worthless in that they have to prove Trump (who everyone thinks is an idiot) fully grasped that it would be illegal and have intentionally broke the law.

Remember when this all started and I said he was going to eventually get his "extremely careless" pass? That's where all that would fall anyway. If Comey didn't think you could prove intention with Hillary's server there's no way anyone can prove Trump understood campaign finance law and intentionally broke it.

I know I'm always telling you guys to calm down and that whatever the latest thing is will not end Trump but I just have to say it's not because I don't think he should be locked under the worst prison in the country, it's because every single sign is flashing in bright neon that it's not happening.


Nobody is surprised, but confirmation makes a difference. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about one affair. If Trump's going to lie about... three? Four?

Surely that makes sense as a matter of interest, yes?


Perhaps as a human interest story. "Trump's willing to lie about affairs" isn't much of a headline
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
July 27 2018 13:22 GMT
#10946
I guess it shows how far expected standards of behaviour for a US president have fallen since the 90s, not that we didn't already know that.
The republicans don't give a single fuck how many times they are lied to by their leader as long as he enacts the policies they want. Its like wartime suspension of luxury, the luxury being the ability to have a leader who speaks the truth sometimes.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
July 27 2018 13:33 GMT
#10947
We've got a 4.1% GDP estimate for Q2. According to Bloomberg, 0.6% of that GDP figure are from people trying to beat the soybean tariffs alone.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2018 13:43 GMT
#10948
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
July 27 2018 14:22 GMT
#10949
On July 27 2018 22:43 JimmiC wrote:
Pakistan elected it's first leader not from the traditional power families. Khan who won has rallied against corruption, which is good because there is lots there, but the sad part is has allied with the most corrupt group their, the military.

Things for the US are not going to get easier as he is also very anti USA. He is described as a loose cannon who will be hard for the military to control.

He did not win enough for a majority government and will have to form a coalition with some of the minor parties as he will not join with the two majors who had run the country forever(not really but close).

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/the-next-prime-minister-of-nuclear-armed-pakistan-really-hates-the-us/ar-BBL74ol?li=AAggNb9

I don't think the alliance with the military is considered optional. Informal military leadership.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2018 14:33 GMT
#10950
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2018 14:36 GMT
#10951
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2018 14:37 GMT
#10952
Remember that victory lap Obama took with the 7% GDP and when he claimed we could grow at 7% forever?

Its so silly, but Trump is like a dog and lives in the moment at all times. All that matters is victory today and blaming other people with the victory isn’t forever.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States529 Posts
July 27 2018 14:39 GMT
#10953
Demagogues typically ARE agents of change though right? Just not necessarily good ones for the people.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2018 14:42 GMT
#10954
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2018 14:43 GMT
#10955
Yes. If you like your change at the price of avoidable consequences that you are forewarned of constantly during the process, Demagogues are for you.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2018 14:43 GMT
#10956
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 27 2018 14:45 GMT
#10957
On July 27 2018 22:43 JimmiC wrote:
Pakistan elected it's first leader not from the traditional power families. Khan who won has rallied against corruption, which is good because there is lots there, but the sad part is has allied with the most corrupt group their, the military.

Things for the US are not going to get easier as he is also very anti USA. He is described as a loose cannon who will be hard for the military to control.

He did not win enough for a majority government and will have to form a coalition with some of the minor parties as he will not join with the two majors who had run the country forever(not really but close).

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/the-next-prime-minister-of-nuclear-armed-pakistan-really-hates-the-us/ar-BBL74ol?li=AAggNb9

What does this mean for US relations in the region? Also, is this guy pro-China? I know Pakistan and China have been allies for a long time
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2018 14:54 GMT
#10958
On July 27 2018 23:43 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2018 23:37 Plansix wrote:
Remember that victory lap Obama took with the 7% GDP and when he claimed we could grow at 7% forever?

Its so silly, but Trump is like a dog and lives in the moment at all times. All that matters is victory today and blaming other people with the victory isn’t forever.


I think most politicians do this. It just stands out because Trump does it so much bigger and with so much more aggression than anyone before him.

They all cheer the numbers when they are good. And sometimes, if they are dumb, they predict the next quarter will be just as good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42688 Posts
July 27 2018 14:54 GMT
#10959
On July 27 2018 22:33 Womwomwom wrote:
We've got a 4.1% GDP estimate for Q2. According to Bloomberg, 0.6% of that GDP figure are from people trying to beat the soybean tariffs alone.

That’s pretty far below the 300% Trump claimed.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2018 14:55 GMT
#10960
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