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On January 16 2026 19:29 PoulsenB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 16 2026 18:46 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 14:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 16 2026 12:23 Manit0u wrote:
Recent events in the US are now starting to spill over. 25k people have cancelled their FIFA World Cup tickets as they're afraid to come to the US. This right here. That's a TON of money a lot of businesses are going to lose and people are going to riot if it isn't fixed. Which we know won't be. So yeah, might as well cancel WC now. I doubt Canada or Mexico can hold the world coming to their countries as well as the US could have. This WC has by far the most expensive tickets ever, they'll just resell the cancelled ones, maybe for a little less but still more than anywhere else. 2018 WC was in Russia after the Salisbury poisoning and while they were cracking down on "gay propaganda". The average person isn't very politically conscious, the WC in the US will go fine, I doubt we're gonna see many empty seats. They had 500 million ticket purchase requests, 25k cancelling is a drop in an ocean.
95% scalpers. We'll see. I won't bet on full stadiums throughout.
I religously watched the World Cup since i was a kid, but didn't care about Qatar and won't about the next one in the US. The sport on the top level and FIFA are rotten. Hoping some players will have the balls to protest in style, but not very likely. The money is too good.
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It's insane that we started the authoritarian tour with Russia, moved on to Qatar, for which they completely upended the whole World Cup system and moved it to winter while basically sacrificing hundreds of immigrant workers in order to finish the stadiums which are all lying empty now.
And then, for the final step on the tour, Americans were kind enough to vote fascists in so the cup can, once again, tainted by shitty politics and (I'm sure) many incidents stemming from American gestapo detaining and fucking with countless people based on them saying fuck Trump once flagging them in the Palantir database.
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On January 16 2026 17:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 16:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 16 2026 16:21 Velr wrote:On January 16 2026 14:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On January 16 2026 12:23 Manit0u wrote:
Recent events in the US are now starting to spill over. 25k people have cancelled their FIFA World Cup tickets as they're afraid to come to the US. This right here. That's a TON of money a lot of businesses are going to lose and people are going to riot if it isn't fixed. Which we know won't be. So yeah, might as well cancel WC now. I doubt Canada or Mexico can hold the world coming to their countries as well as the US could have. I have a hard time telling if this is american exceptionalism, sarcasm or just a profound lack of knowledge that the WC is usually run by a single country. Also, Mexico has already hosted the World Cup. Twice. 1970 and 1986. Tbf, the world cup had less than half the games iin 1986 than it will now, because Gianni Infantino is a megalomaniac.I think, given time to prepare, Mexico would be perfectly capable of hosting the 2026 World Cup, but half a year is not the time needed. In any case, with how bro-y Infantino and Trump are, there's no way FIFA allows the World Cup to not happen in the US. This may just be your 1936 Berlin Olympics moment.
And add to the fact the US doesn't have to build any new stadiums since almost every state has a stadium large enough to host any game imaginable. Probably could hold the games in Texas and not break a sweat.
I don't have any other responses to the others who replied. I don't have it in me to be even more sardonic.
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On January 16 2026 08:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 07:42 Billyboy wrote:
Trump finally got his Nobel peace prize, all it took was coercing the democratically elected leader of Venezuela after snatching its dictator in the night.
Republicans must be so proud of this man, really being a beacon of freedom to the world. He can put it with his Purple Heart.
The one he got for avoiding STDs? Which incidentally isn't much of an accomplishment when most of the people he had sex with were children.
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On January 16 2026 23:15 Jankisa wrote:
It's insane that we started the authoritarian tour with Russia, moved on to Qatar, for which they completely upended the whole World Cup system and moved it to winter while basically sacrificing hundreds of immigrant workers in order to finish the stadiums which are all lying empty now.
And then, for the final step on the tour, Americans were kind enough to vote fascists in so the cup can, once again, tainted by shitty politics and (I'm sure) many incidents stemming from American gestapo detaining and fucking with countless people based on them saying fuck Trump once flagging them in the Palantir database. Part of me wants to see what happens to ICE if they try to mess with the wrong drunk soccer fans and suddenly discover a couple of hundred people who will happily throw hands
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For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you?
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On January 17 2026 00:46 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 23:15 Jankisa wrote:
It's insane that we started the authoritarian tour with Russia, moved on to Qatar, for which they completely upended the whole World Cup system and moved it to winter while basically sacrificing hundreds of immigrant workers in order to finish the stadiums which are all lying empty now.
And then, for the final step on the tour, Americans were kind enough to vote fascists in so the cup can, once again, tainted by shitty politics and (I'm sure) many incidents stemming from American gestapo detaining and fucking with countless people based on them saying fuck Trump once flagging them in the Palantir database. Part of me wants to see what happens to ICE if they try to mess with the wrong drunk soccer fans and suddenly discover a couple of hundred people who will happily throw hands
They'll just open fire. You think they care about foreigners if they're publically executing citizens?
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On January 16 2026 23:53 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 08:35 KwarK wrote:On January 16 2026 07:42 Billyboy wrote:
Trump finally got his Nobel peace prize, all it took was coercing the democratically elected leader of Venezuela after snatching its dictator in the night.
Republicans must be so proud of this man, really being a beacon of freedom to the world. He can put it with his Purple Heart. The one he got for avoiding STDs? Which incidentally isn't much of an accomplishment when most of the people he had sex with were children.
No, the one he was given on stage by someone who earned one.
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On January 16 2026 23:53 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 08:35 KwarK wrote:On January 16 2026 07:42 Billyboy wrote:
Trump finally got his Nobel peace prize, all it took was coercing the democratically elected leader of Venezuela after snatching its dictator in the night.
Republicans must be so proud of this man, really being a beacon of freedom to the world. He can put it with his Purple Heart. The one he got for avoiding STDs? Which incidentally isn't much of an accomplishment when most of the people he had sex with were children.
The article speaks of him being sold a woman by Epstein.
Like, he banged a pornstar, so what. It‘s like one of the main exports of the US. You can‘t dump them into the British museum but maybe at Tussauds.
If he did anything more severe than that he probably printed or manipulated himself a few billions already on his first term and paid someone hush money.
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On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years.
I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did?
So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me.
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On January 17 2026 02:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2026 23:53 LightSpectra wrote:On January 16 2026 08:35 KwarK wrote:On January 16 2026 07:42 Billyboy wrote:
Trump finally got his Nobel peace prize, all it took was coercing the democratically elected leader of Venezuela after snatching its dictator in the night.
Republicans must be so proud of this man, really being a beacon of freedom to the world. He can put it with his Purple Heart. The one he got for avoiding STDs? Which incidentally isn't much of an accomplishment when most of the people he had sex with were children. The article speaks of him being sold a woman by Epstein. Like, he banged a pornstar, so what. It‘s like one of the main exports of the US. You can‘t dump them into the British museum but maybe at Tussauds. If he did anything more severe than that he probably printed or manipulated himself a few billions already on his first term and paid someone hush money.
LightSpectra has a history of lying about certain things in order to sensationalize his narrative and then he posts links like they’re some sort of receipt to prove what he is saying is true. When you actually read his links it’s clear that he has lied, it seems very odd to try to lie to people and post links that disprove his own claims.
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On January 17 2026 03:50 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years. I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did? So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me.
Some people left. For example, there was a trans girl on this forum who left the US for Belgium during the last Trump period. But yeah, there wasn't a mass exodus. Turns out leaving a country isn't trivial. But i personally am very glad not to be in the US.
"Trump didn't manage to cancel the election, he just tried to do a coup but failed, so all your fears were laughable" isn't that strong of an argument either. If anything, it means that the fears were justified, just that the first time around, institutions (that are currently dismantled) were still standing strong.
You should be angry at what is happening in the US, too. I thought you guys were all about freedom, don't tread on me, democracy, that kind of stuff. Isn't what is going on right now scary from that perspective?
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On January 17 2026 03:50 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years. I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did? So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me.
So we're back to pretending he didn't try to overturn the election?
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On January 17 2026 03:55 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 02:53 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2026 23:53 LightSpectra wrote:On January 16 2026 08:35 KwarK wrote:On January 16 2026 07:42 Billyboy wrote:
Trump finally got his Nobel peace prize, all it took was coercing the democratically elected leader of Venezuela after snatching its dictator in the night.
Republicans must be so proud of this man, really being a beacon of freedom to the world. He can put it with his Purple Heart. The one he got for avoiding STDs? Which incidentally isn't much of an accomplishment when most of the people he had sex with were children. The article speaks of him being sold a woman by Epstein. Like, he banged a pornstar, so what. It‘s like one of the main exports of the US. You can‘t dump them into the British museum but maybe at Tussauds. If he did anything more severe than that he probably printed or manipulated himself a few billions already on his first term and paid someone hush money. LightSpectra has a history of lying about certain things in order to sensationalize his narrative and then he posts links like they’re some sort of receipt to prove what he is saying is true. When you actually read his links it’s clear that he has lied, it seems very odd to try to lie to people and post links that disprove his own claims.
Sorry, what's the alleged sensationalism in this instance? Donald Trump bought women from notorious child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein for benevolent purposes, or...?
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On January 17 2026 04:46 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 03:55 castleeMg wrote:On January 17 2026 02:53 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2026 23:53 LightSpectra wrote:On January 16 2026 08:35 KwarK wrote:On January 16 2026 07:42 Billyboy wrote:
Trump finally got his Nobel peace prize, all it took was coercing the democratically elected leader of Venezuela after snatching its dictator in the night.
Republicans must be so proud of this man, really being a beacon of freedom to the world. He can put it with his Purple Heart. The one he got for avoiding STDs? Which incidentally isn't much of an accomplishment when most of the people he had sex with were children. The article speaks of him being sold a woman by Epstein. Like, he banged a pornstar, so what. It‘s like one of the main exports of the US. You can‘t dump them into the British museum but maybe at Tussauds. If he did anything more severe than that he probably printed or manipulated himself a few billions already on his first term and paid someone hush money. LightSpectra has a history of lying about certain things in order to sensationalize his narrative and then he posts links like they’re some sort of receipt to prove what he is saying is true. When you actually read his links it’s clear that he has lied, it seems very odd to try to lie to people and post links that disprove his own claims. Sorry, what's the alleged sensationalism in this instance? Donald Trump bought women from notorious child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein for benevolent purposes, or...?
He tied them to the bed and hosed them with tanning accellerator.
Dude probs pimped everything across the board. Hard to say.
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On January 17 2026 03:50 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years. I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did? So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me.
Uh, oh, the guy who thinks that blowing up unarmed 11 and 8 year old boys is a "leftist".
Coincidentally the same leftist thinks that Renee Good shooting was justified and Jan 6th was basically nothing.
The people who leave, usually leave quietly and in my time in Amsterdam I left quite a few who left USA for less money but a more normal country.
I'm sure this trend of highly educated and smart people bailing and taking their talents elsewhere is still happening and likely accelerating, but, again, smart people are usually not the loud ones so it's harder to notice.
USA is losing prestige, it's driving away incredible talents, basically the same people who propelled it to the economic heights it has been soaring for the last 10 years would now be afraid to move to USA because of the color of their skin or their country or origin, these folks who get detained because DHS is filled to the brim with racists and bigots are now self deporting, just one such case:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/09/us/iranian-student-alabama-self-deport-hnk
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On January 17 2026 04:01 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 03:50 dyhb wrote:On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years. I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did? So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me. Some people left. For example, there was a trans girl on this forum who left the US for Belgium during the last Trump period. But yeah, there wasn't a mass exodus. Turns out leaving a country isn't trivial. But i personally am very glad not to be in the US. "Trump didn't manage to cancel the election, he just tried to do a coup but failed, so all your fears were laughable" isn't that strong of an argument either. If anything, it means that the fears were justified, just that the first time around, institutions (that are currently dismantled) were still standing strong. You should be angry at what is happening in the US, too. I thought you guys were all about freedom, don't tread on me, democracy, that kind of stuff. Isn't what is going on right now scary from that perspective? It does speak to the resiliency of the institutions that the sum total of all that rioting and scheming was a delay of hours and the proper person took the Presidency. They convinced zero judges, and I don't think a single secretary of state went along with it. You can be mad and disgusted in the attempt, as I am, but I think the abysmal failure should actually matter to those fears. Congress passed a law after that circumscribing Congress's ceremonial role in elections, which are carried out by states and electors.
Sorry if I'm don't join in on the intensity like people hopping mad about politics. It's been the same way for for over 10 years now. Trump said "only Rosie O'Donnell" and "blooding coming out of her wherever" 11 years ago. Democracy and my precious freedoms have been ending since at least Bush in 2000/2001. The lady that hit an ICE officer with her car is not a wakeup call to fascism, tyranny, and the secret police.
Immigration law is decades old. Trump's election on his campaign promises regarding immigration was the democratic process played out, even if I lost on that one. There will be another in 2026 and another in 2028 where, hopefully, the top two candidates for the office (primaries etc) have one that doesn't talk and brag like an authoritarian.
Kavanaugh's comment in Noem v Vasquez Perdomo, comes to mind: "To the extent that excessive force has been used, the Fourth Amendment prohibits such action, and remedies should be available in federal court." As far as I know, that's a truthful comment. The courts are still open to abused persons, congressional oversight still exists (possibly with Democratic hostile subpoenas coming soon), and Congress still makes immigration laws and funds ICE and grants them the ability to detain and question on immigration status. Gridlock on changing those laws is nothing new. Lax enforcement is not a cornerstone of democracy, and neither is strict enforcement.
On January 17 2026 04:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 03:50 dyhb wrote:On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years. I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did? So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me. So we're back to pretending he didn't try to overturn the election? You'd think he actually succeeded, given how people react to my statement on the resiliency of the institutions! When I said all that accomplished was a delay in hours and zero court or secretary of state wins, I didn't expect people to ignore all that without contesting a single word. Re-read my post, and offer something germane on its contents, since I certainly dealt with the attempt, and you failed to deal with the results of the attempt.
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On January 17 2026 05:20 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2026 03:50 dyhb wrote:On January 17 2026 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
For those that plan on escaping (all the posters left in the US afaict), what are you waiting for?
Do you have any concern that you might wait too long? Is there something specific or are you just waiting on your gut to tell you? I gather that the rhetoric far exceeds the intention. Democrats stand a good chance at retaking the House in a year, and the presidency in three years. I know you stand apart from most of the other leftists in these parts, but are other people actually planning on "escaping" the US? Sure, the rhetoric's hot, but I've heard this stuff before. Trump's first term was full of predictions that the elections would be cancelled in 2020, and I rolled my eyes and tried to get people to wager money on it happening. Easiest money in the world. Rhetoric is cheap. The best Trump got was a riot at capitol delaying the ceremonial vote by some hours and a 0% success rate in court on the false electors scheme. Nobody that told me that they'd move to Canada if they won actually did. I think a few celebrities did? So my default presumption is angry rhetoric at what ICE is doing and Trump corruption and foreign meddling, and the only action in response is to vote harder and persuade others to vote. This is what experience teaches me. Uh, oh, the guy who thinks that blowing up unarmed 11 and 8 year old boys is a "leftist". Coincidentally the same leftist thinks that Renee Good shooting was justified and Jan 6th was basically nothing. The people who leave, usually leave quietly and in my time in Amsterdam I left quite a few who left USA for less money but a more normal country. I'm sure this trend of highly educated and smart people bailing and taking their talents elsewhere is still happening and likely accelerating, but, again, smart people are usually not the loud ones so it's harder to notice. USA is losing prestige, it's driving away incredible talents, basically the same people who propelled it to the economic heights it has been soaring for the last 10 years would now be afraid to move to USA because of the color of their skin or their country or origin, these folks who get detained because DHS is filled to the brim with racists and bigots are now self deporting, just one such case: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/09/us/iranian-student-alabama-self-deport-hnk Thanks for the first-hand information on expats in Netherlands. I assume this was in the context of the 2016 election? Or earlier? Again, this might just be a "my state" thing, but the people promising to leave the country if the wrong person got elected did no such thing. But I'm more than happy to hear the opposite anecdotes.
I'm not really contesting the current situation for people that want to obtain visas to work and study in the US. That rings true, though I have no statistics or polling on it. You can certainly be detained as a foreign visitor, and the law does require you to carry immigration documents on your person.
I don't know why you posted the article on a detained Iranian student that faced immigration charges? Of course, his own lawyer and family will deny that there was anything to the charges, but that almost goes without saying. And then it goes on to say that the Biden administration revoked his Visa. So now we're years later in the Trump administration, and he never obtained a new visa after Biden revoked his old one? The article doesn't clear that up. We might not learn more, because choosing to deport instead of facing the charges does not force the revelation of the strength of the charges. And we only have the word of him, his lawyer, and his family for the proof. Sounds like this needs FOIA or compelling testimony through subpoena to expand and substantiate the story.
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@LightSpectra You alleged “most of the people he (Trump) had sex with were children.” And then posted a link that had nothing to do with Trump having sex with children. The article doesn’t even mention the word children or minor or kids or underage.
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On January 17 2026 05:31 castleeMg wrote:
@LightSpectra You alleged “most of the people he (Trump) had sex with were children.” And then posted a link that had nothing to do with Trump having sex with children. The article doesn’t even mention the word children or minor or kids or underage.
OK, just so we're clear here, you're saying: Donald Trump buying women from a notorious child sex trafficker has no implication whatsoever about whether he has sex with children. Is that correct?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't follow the news very closely and aren't familiar with Epstein's trafficking ring. If that's the case, then please read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Sex_trafficking_charges
While reading it, keep in mind this is the guy of whom Donald Trump said in 2002: "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." Source: https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/
More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Donald_Trump_and_Jeffrey_Epstein
If you have any questions or doubts, I'm happy to supply more information with sources.
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You might have it the wrong way round tbh. Remember that Epstein sourced children from Mar-a-Lago where Trump employed them as massage spa assistants. That’s where Virginia Guiffre was trafficked from.
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