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On January 15 2026 04:04 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2026 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 15 2026 02:59 KwarK wrote:On January 15 2026 01:42 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 14 2026 20:28 KwarK wrote:On January 14 2026 20:10 Sadist wrote:On January 14 2026 19:05 Gorsameth wrote:
Yes the fact senior lawyers of the DOJ civil rights department are resigning over a refusal to investigate the agent who shot Good shows they could, but won't.
ICE are federal agents and the federal government can investigate them. But logically Trump doesn't want his SS troops prosecuted for shooting the right people.
And we can assume they shooting the right people because Trump got very upset at Iran for shooting what he called the wrong people.
So there are right people to shoot, US citizens protesting his regime, and wrong people, Iranians protesting their regime. They need to stop resigning. A lackey will take their place and just do the governments bidding and we will be further down the slide towards authortarianism. Might as well argue concentration camp guards shouldn’t resign because they’ll just be replaced by men with better marksmanship. At a certain point all you can do is refuse to participate. At what point does this apply to Democrats in Congress*? That’s a dumb question that somehow fails to see the difference between the civil servants working for the Trump administration and the opposing party fighting the Trump administration. You might be an idiot. Maybe show a doctor the post you just made and see if you can get tested. Setting aside your petulant lashing out... I acknowledged that they are different with different thresholds. At some point, they cease functionally being "the opposing party fighting the Trump administration" and become some version of "the functionaries of the Trump administration" or they reach the same point as the civil servants that can only refuse to participate. I'm asking people when they think that might be. Clearly you don't think failing to shutdown the government in the context of ICE (and everything else) qualifies. GH, I really wish you could try to think in real politik way, because, as you can see, your insistence on demonizing the only people who can deliver back a version of America that is not incredibly fascist and imperialist without crazy amount of bloodshed is really grating on the vast majority of people around here. Many folks so far provided their structured, measured and thought out views on why the shutdown might be good or bad, it's silly to go down Murphy's law about them when there are actual fascist doing nazi shit out and about. + Show Spoiler +Realistically, the way that a country that has essentially been a relative police state even before all of this shit where Law enforcement is treated as infallible can't have a "revolution" without half the country supporting murdering of protesters, which in turn ensures deaths in the LEO ranks which in turns results in army getting involved, elections being canceled and Trump staying in power forever.
The accelerationists have always been stupid, to me it seems like you were / are one of them, and despite how many times you are proven that America can't just change and have a multi-party system emerge out of the blue fixing the fascism problem you just keep doubling down, it's silly man .
You want me to come up with a way for Democrats, who everyone finally knows/agrees with me are hopeless, have no plan, and no way to effectuate it if they did, to fix this. That's silly.
"the opposing party fighting the Trump administration" or "a functionary of the Trump administration" which one is Fetterman? Was Manchin? Sinema, Eric Adams? Any of the other Democrats that sided with the Trump admin to end the last shutdown?
What does/would it take to stop identifying a Democrat as "fighting Trump" and identify them as "Trump's functionary" instead?
If DOJ attorneys and Micronesias around the government have to look at their job every day and figure out if they are "fighting the Trump administration" or "a functionary of the Trump administration" I believe politicians should too.
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On January 15 2026 05:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2026 02:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Regardless of how the potential shutdown goes (I agree with Kwark/Jankisa/Acro that Democrats should/need to shutdown the government for at least what they're currently calling for, but won't/can't, hence the follow up), I think communities protecting themselves like this will be necessary. That's great the community defended themselves from another potential kidnapping / murder / unjustified attack. The community kind of got lucky that those specific ICE agents didn't decide to start spraying them with bullets though, pretending that the agents' lives were being threatened. I guess the wall of protective community members is the best we can hope for, wherever there's insufficient/no accountability at the local/state levels for attacks by ICE agents. I'm hoping that non-violent walls of community members are effective enough, but I can also see a hypothetical escalation by Trump's gestapo where community members might need to start exercising their 2nd Amendment rights against ICE too. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
A 21st century Boston Massacre happening is all but certain (provided people continue to oppose fascism) at this point imo.
If it happens to contain the right mix of people (need a war vet, a [straight cis] woman, and a child probably) being murdered, maybe it swings things in favor of the "patriots" over the "loyalists".
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GH I think you need a dictionary.
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On January 15 2026 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2026 06:00 Vivax wrote:On January 15 2026 05:39 Gorsameth wrote:On January 15 2026 04:20 Vivax wrote:On January 15 2026 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Those fucking lunatics are really going to attack greenland. Jesus i hate so much everyone who voted that bastard in power. He‘s playing both sides basically. After forcing Europeans to cut ties with Russia, he tried to de-escalate with them and escalated with the EU instead. You‘d think that he wanted to leave worldwide conflict as a legacy before kicking the bucket. His comments about Monroe Doctrine or his own (sigh) Donroe Doctrine gives a peek into his thinking in this case I think. It basically comes down to 'The America's belong to US and everyone else should GTFO'. Which was a little more understandable in the 1800's with colonialism still existing. He wants Greenland because Europe shouldn't own anything in the America's. Venezuela's oil is his because everything in the America's is his. Now clearly Trump himself didn't think of this. The notion that he reads... anything is ludicrous so someone told him about it, someone that wants to own, through the US, Greenland's resources. (Peter Theil?) For all the Republican talk about Biden being just a puppet they immediately voted in a puppet of their own. As always, every accusation is a confession. How is Greenland the Americas even. About as much as Iceland. Definitely less the Americas than Cuba. Yeah Thiel fantasized about building some kind of exclave for billionaires there… If it were about resources then the master deal maker could try to negotiate something that doesn‘t involve putting the security of hundreds of millions at risk. How long would the exploitation even last at the current rate of consumption in the US ? That‘s already a deal breaker. The average wish for an average person is sustainability and security, not geopolitical high stakes poker to please a handful of extremely wasteful billionaires at the expense of the major population. At some point he‘s got to face that a recession has to happen instead of supergluing the gas pedal at any cost. Greenland resides on the North American continental plate.
We'd better not tell Trump about the existence of Martinique, French Guyana or the Falklands then.
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On January 15 2026 08:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2026 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On January 15 2026 06:00 Vivax wrote:On January 15 2026 05:39 Gorsameth wrote:On January 15 2026 04:20 Vivax wrote:On January 15 2026 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Those fucking lunatics are really going to attack greenland. Jesus i hate so much everyone who voted that bastard in power. He‘s playing both sides basically. After forcing Europeans to cut ties with Russia, he tried to de-escalate with them and escalated with the EU instead. You‘d think that he wanted to leave worldwide conflict as a legacy before kicking the bucket. His comments about Monroe Doctrine or his own (sigh) Donroe Doctrine gives a peek into his thinking in this case I think. It basically comes down to 'The America's belong to US and everyone else should GTFO'. Which was a little more understandable in the 1800's with colonialism still existing. He wants Greenland because Europe shouldn't own anything in the America's. Venezuela's oil is his because everything in the America's is his. Now clearly Trump himself didn't think of this. The notion that he reads... anything is ludicrous so someone told him about it, someone that wants to own, through the US, Greenland's resources. (Peter Theil?) For all the Republican talk about Biden being just a puppet they immediately voted in a puppet of their own. As always, every accusation is a confession. How is Greenland the Americas even. About as much as Iceland. Definitely less the Americas than Cuba. Yeah Thiel fantasized about building some kind of exclave for billionaires there… If it were about resources then the master deal maker could try to negotiate something that doesn‘t involve putting the security of hundreds of millions at risk. How long would the exploitation even last at the current rate of consumption in the US ? That‘s already a deal breaker. The average wish for an average person is sustainability and security, not geopolitical high stakes poker to please a handful of extremely wasteful billionaires at the expense of the major population. At some point he‘s got to face that a recession has to happen instead of supergluing the gas pedal at any cost. Greenland resides on the North American continental plate. We'd better not tell Trump about the existence of Martinique, French Guyana or the Falklands then.
Trump doesn't even know that he's already the president of Puerto Rico, so maybe he'll try to conquer Puerto Rico next.
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