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GreenHorizons
United States23948 Posts
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
On January 15 2026 01:39 Billyboy wrote: I don’t believe it’s been talked about here but Kristi Noem used a Nazi slogan after the ICE agent killed the women. And when I say used, I don’t mean just said (she did that) but she made placard of it for her podium. It was meant (maybe still is) to be a marketed slogan for them going forward. The slogan is “one of ours all of yours”. And it means what you think. The Nazis used it when a SS officer was killed , they killed 5000 villagers where it happened, even though basically none of them were involved, to send a message not to touch the SS. It seems hard for me to believe that they didn’t know where it came from because any slogans we think of we do a quick google search (or AI) to make sure there is no infringement. But let’s say for example they didn’t, and just happened to come up with the same thing by accident. Is it not a huge problem that you are accidentally thinking of and using the same slogans as the Nazis? And if you are a party who is really sick of being called Nazis, is this not something you expect someone to check? How do these colossal “fuck ups” happen and why is there never an apology and why are people not getting fired? @introvert does this not concern you? How many of these or how big of a Nazi coincidence would have to happen for you to think it was enough of a problem to lose your support? Does it ever cross your mind that there are a lot of these, maybe it’s not an accident? Someone asked askhistorians about this one and their consensus was that it’s not a direct quote. It’s much less of a “literally what the fascists in WW2 said” than “America first” is. The Nazis did have a policy of massive reprisals against innocent civilian populations but that specific line was never used. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1qbjtkr/is_the_phrase_one_of_ours_all_of_yours_an_old/ If askhistorians is to be believed, and it generally is because like any group of experts in a field they’re the first to call out their colleagues if one exceeds their area of authority, you’ve fallen for ragebait. Nazi policy but not literal Nazi slogan. | ||
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
On January 15 2026 01:42 GreenHorizons wrote: At what point does this apply to Democrats in Congress*? That’s a dumb question that somehow fails to see the difference between the civil servants working for the Trump administration and the opposing party fighting the Trump administration. You might be an idiot. Maybe show a doctor the post you just made and see if you can get tested. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23948 Posts
On January 15 2026 02:59 KwarK wrote: Setting aside your petulant lashing out...That’s a dumb question that somehow fails to see the difference between the civil servants working for the Trump administration and the opposing party fighting the Trump administration. You might be an idiot. Maybe show a doctor the post you just made and see if you can get tested. I acknowledged that they are different with different thresholds. At some point, they cease functionally being "the opposing party fighting the Trump administration" and become some version of "the functionaries of the Trump administration" or they reach the same point as the civil servants that can only refuse to participate. I'm asking people when they think that might be. Clearly you don't think failing to shutdown the government in the context of ICE (and everything else) qualifies. | ||
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
On January 15 2026 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote: Setting aside your petulant lashing out... I acknowledged that they are different with different thresholds. At some point, they cease functionally being "the opposing party fighting the Trump administration" and become some version of "the functionaries of the Trump administration" or they reach the same point as the civil servants that can only refuse to participate. I'm asking people when they think that might be. Clearly you don't think failing to shutdown the government in the context of ICE (and everything else) qualifies. "Concentration camp guards are to the Third Reich as the Democrats are to the Trump administration. I am very smart." | ||
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Billyboy
1719 Posts
On January 15 2026 02:55 KwarK wrote: Someone asked askhistorians about this one and their consensus was that it’s not a direct quote. It’s much less of a “literally what the fascists in WW2 said” than “America first” is. The Nazis did have a policy of massive reprisals against innocent civilian populations but that specific line was never used. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1qbjtkr/is_the_phrase_one_of_ours_all_of_yours_an_old/ If askhistorians is to be believed, and it generally is because like any group of experts in a field they’re the first to call out their colleagues if one exceeds their area of authority, you’ve fallen for ragebait. Thanks, just read something similar and Tom Morrelo let me down. Basically it was a policy of the SS, but they didn’t come up with catchy phrases. And this one wouldn’t have been particularly catching in either Czech where the village has all the people executed (which turns out was bad intel they didn’t hide the commandos) or German. So I stand corrected. One of ours all of yours was something Nazis lived by. But not a slogan. Do a google search alone wouldn’t have brought anything up. Not gross incompetence, but creepy that they created a catchy slogan that matches Nazi philosophy. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
Many folks so far provided their structured, measured and thought out views on why the shutdown might be good or bad, it's silly to go down Murphy's law about them when there are actual fascist doing nazi shit out and about. Realistically, the way that a country that has essentially been a relative police state even before all of this shit where Law enforcement is treated as infallible can't have a "revolution" without half the country supporting murdering of protesters, which in turn ensures deaths in the LEO ranks which in turns results in army getting involved, elections being canceled and Trump staying in power forever. The accelerationists have always been stupid, to me it seems like you were / are one of them, and despite how many times you are proven that America can't just change and have a multi-party system emerge out of the blue fixing the fascism problem you just keep doubling down, it's silly man. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
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Vivax
22317 Posts
On January 15 2026 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote: Those fucking lunatics are really going to attack greenland. Jesus i hate so much everyone who voted that bastard in power. He‘s playing both sides basically. After forcing Europeans to cut ties with Russia, he tried to de-escalate with them and escalated with the EU instead. You‘d think that he wanted to leave worldwide conflict as a legacy before kicking the bucket. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45915 Posts
On January 15 2026 02:21 GreenHorizons wrote: Regardless of how the potential shutdown goes (I agree with Kwark/Jankisa/Acro that Democrats should/need to shutdown the government for at least what they're currently calling for, but won't/can't, hence the follow up), I think communities protecting themselves like this will be necessary. https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/2011263204102717932 That's great the community defended themselves from another potential kidnapping / murder / unjustified attack. The community kind of got lucky that those specific ICE agents didn't decide to start spraying them with bullets though, pretending that the agents' lives were being threatened. I guess the wall of protective community members is the best we can hope for, wherever there's insufficient/no accountability at the local/state levels for attacks by ICE agents. I'm hoping that non-violent walls of community members are effective enough, but I can also see a hypothetical escalation by Trump's gestapo where community members might need to start exercising their 2nd Amendment rights against ICE too. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 15 2026 04:20 Vivax wrote: His comments about Monroe Doctrine or his own (sigh) Donroe Doctrine gives a peek into his thinking in this case I think.He‘s playing both sides basically. After forcing Europeans to cut ties with Russia, he tried to de-escalate with them and escalated with the EU instead. You‘d think that he wanted to leave worldwide conflict as a legacy before kicking the bucket. It basically comes down to 'The America's belong to US and everyone else should GTFO'. Which was a little more understandable in the 1800's with colonialism still existing. He wants Greenland because Europe shouldn't own anything in the America's. Venezuela's oil is his because everything in the America's is his. Now clearly Trump himself didn't think of this. The notion that he reads... anything is ludicrous so someone told him about it, someone that wants to own, through the US, Greenland's resources. (Peter Theil?) For all the Republican talk about Biden being just a puppet they immediately voted in a puppet of their own. As always, every accusation is a confession. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 15 2026 05:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: history loves it parallels, we can get a repeat of armed black panter patrols from the civil rights era.That's great the community defended themselves from another potential kidnapping / murder / unjustified attack. The community kind of got lucky that those specific ICE agents didn't decide to start spraying them with bullets though, pretending that the agents' lives were being threatened. I guess the wall of protective community members is the best we can hope for, wherever there's insufficient/no accountability at the local/state levels for attacks by ICE agents. I'm hoping that non-violent walls of community members are effective enough, but I can also see a hypothetical escalation by Trump's gestapo where community members might need to start exercising their 2nd Amendment rights against ICE too. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2787 Posts
On January 15 2026 05:39 Gorsameth wrote: His comments about Monroe Doctrine or his own (sigh) Donroe Doctrine gives a peek into his thinking in this case I think. It basically comes down to 'The America's belong to US and everyone else should GTFO'. Which was a little more understandable in the 1800's with colonialism still existing. He wants Greenland because Europe shouldn't own anything in the America's. Venezuela's oil is his because everything in the America's is his. Now clearly Trump himself didn't think of this. The notion that he reads... anything is ludicrous so someone told him about it, someone that wants to own, through the US, Greenland's resources. (Peter Theil?) For all the Republican talk about Biden being just a puppet they immediately voted in a puppet of their own. As always, every accusation is a confession. Well, polls show that the idea of buying Greenland is impopular (it's not even particularly popular with republicans) and the idea of taking it by force is extremely unpopular. Lets hope for the vote on not being able to use military force in Venezuela is successful. It would be a short skip to pass something similar for Greenland. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 15 2026 05:47 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I don't think 'Its unpopular with voters' is something the tech bro lobby is concerned with.Well, polls show that the idea of buying Greenland is impopular (it's not even particularly popular with republicans) and the idea of taking it by force is extremely unpopular. Lets hope for the vote on not being able to use military force in Venezuela is successful. It would be a short skip to pass something similar for Greenland. Or laws for that matter. | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
On January 15 2026 05:39 Gorsameth wrote: His comments about Monroe Doctrine or his own (sigh) Donroe Doctrine gives a peek into his thinking in this case I think. It basically comes down to 'The America's belong to US and everyone else should GTFO'. Which was a little more understandable in the 1800's with colonialism still existing. He wants Greenland because Europe shouldn't own anything in the America's. Venezuela's oil is his because everything in the America's is his. Now clearly Trump himself didn't think of this. The notion that he reads... anything is ludicrous so someone told him about it, someone that wants to own, through the US, Greenland's resources. (Peter Theil?) For all the Republican talk about Biden being just a puppet they immediately voted in a puppet of their own. As always, every accusation is a confession. How is Greenland the Americas even. About as much as Iceland. Definitely less the Americas than Cuba. Yeah Thiel fantasized about building some kind of exclave for billionaires there… If it were about resources then the master deal maker could try to negotiate something that doesn‘t involve putting the security of hundreds of millions at risk. How long would the exploitation even last at the current rate of consumption in the US ? That‘s already a deal breaker. The average wish for an average person is sustainability and security, not geopolitical high stakes poker to please a handful of extremely wasteful billionaires at the expense of the major population. At some point he‘s got to face that a recession has to happen instead of supergluing the gas pedal at any cost. | ||
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 15 2026 06:00 Vivax wrote: How is Greenland the Americas even. About as much as Iceland. Definitely less the Americas than Cuba. Yeah Thiel fantasized about building some kind of exclave for billionaires there… If it were about resources then the master deal maker could try to negotiate something that doesn‘t involve putting the security of hundreds of millions at risk. How long would the exploitation even last at the current rate of consumption in the US ? That‘s already a deal breaker. The average wish for an average person is sustainability and security, not geopolitical high stakes poker to please a handful of extremely wasteful billionaires at the expense of the major population. At some point he‘s got to face that a recession has to happen instead of supergluing the gas pedal at any cost. Greenland resides on the North American continental plate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45915 Posts
On January 15 2026 05:41 Gorsameth wrote: history loves it parallels, we can get a repeat of armed black panter patrols from the civil rights era. Given Trump's invasion of Venezuela and desired invasion of Greenland, I'm sure a lot of Europeans are at least somewhat appreciative that the United States isn't located where Germany is. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
This all seems like some fever dream... Trump is threatening Canada and Mexico again. Also demanding that NATO do something about Denmark. Like, what in the actual fuck is even going on any more? | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
On January 15 2026 06:17 Gorsameth wrote: Greenland resides on the North American continental plate. If that‘s the logic then what even is the point of making such a big fuss about Taiwan. Or any country who used to be part of the Soviet Union. Or the Falklands. No one can convince me that the administration doesn‘t wake up daily to terrorize half the globe to further fatten a few banks. It‘s not a secret that endless growth isn‘t possible in a limited system. But there‘s several different ways to go about it other than just demanding everything at gunpoint. Sure it might work. Once. | ||
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