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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27456 Posts
September 23 2025 00:19 GMT
#105241
On September 23 2025 01:40 Razyda wrote:
https://www.myfloridalegal.com/newsrelease/attorney-general-james-uthmeier-announces-launch-new-portal-combat-violent-extremism

"Attorney General James Uthmeier Announces Launch of New Portal to Combat Violent Extremism"

I wonder if this has anything to do with Trump plans to declare antifa terror organisation. Namely if there are some specific laws related to terror organisations, which would allow to circumvent 1st amendment.

Yes, it does. It’s part of a pretty consistent pattern of neutering political opposition to the MAGA crowd, and can’t really reasonably be viewed as anything else.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 00:52:04
September 23 2025 00:39 GMT
#105242
On September 23 2025 09:19 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 01:40 Razyda wrote:
https://www.myfloridalegal.com/newsrelease/attorney-general-james-uthmeier-announces-launch-new-portal-combat-violent-extremism

"Attorney General James Uthmeier Announces Launch of New Portal to Combat Violent Extremism"

I wonder if this has anything to do with Trump plans to declare antifa terror organisation. Namely if there are some specific laws related to terror organisations, which would allow to circumvent 1st amendment.

Yes, it does. It’s part of a pretty consistent pattern of neutering political opposition to the MAGA crowd, and can’t really reasonably be viewed as anything else.


It‘s wild, honestly.
Not that everything they do is okay as is usual for groups that can form into mobs, and mobs are usually dumb.

But just slapping a terrorist label on people who oppose fascism ? Just doing that could suggest you are antifa if they want to.

Especially after he pardoned a bunch of the capitol rioters it seems absolutely one-sided.
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
1059 Posts
September 23 2025 00:43 GMT
#105243
On September 23 2025 09:10 WombaT wrote:

Charlie Kirk isn’t all that relevant to how ICE is currently operating, and whether that’s desirable or not.



I think it very much is. If someone is willing to take on the millionaire with private security what chances someone without this resources have?

On September 23 2025 09:09 Luolis wrote:
Just to confirm, Razyda, do you think that police should cover their faces and hide identification? Surely they are also at risk and should be protected.


What I think is police should be able to protect their identity from general public. They should have some sort of identification (as in badge number, not a name and address on it though). In case conservative position is unclear: Lynch by general public is a no, no.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
September 23 2025 00:46 GMT
#105244
The idea to improve policing in the nation by further dehumanizing the police is certainly a bold strategy.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3270 Posts
September 23 2025 00:59 GMT
#105245
You ever notice civil rights activists didn't hide their faces but the KKK did, even though the latter killed the former and it didn't go both ways?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 01:05:06
September 23 2025 01:02 GMT
#105246
This. This is the sort of protesting that need to be happening in the US right now

ROME (AP) — Thousands of protesters and strikers calling for solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza took to the streets in Italy on Monday, with some storming Milan’s central train station and clashing violently with police.

Italy’s grassroots unions, which represent hundreds of thousands of people ranging from schoolteachers to metalworkers, called for a 24-hour general strike in both public and private sectors, including public transportation, trains, schools and ports.

The strike caused disruptions across the country, with long delays for national trains and limited public transport in major cities, including Rome.


apnews.com



"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
202 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 01:25:59
September 23 2025 01:24 GMT
#105247
Can’t you eventually and theoretically doxx a police officer through their identification number because it is, well, an identification number? What’s the point of that sort of policy unless your goal is to make it as difficult as possible to report a police officer where witnesses of foul play are essentially required to remember an even harder to see and remember licence plate number.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
September 23 2025 01:38 GMT
#105248
And for the majority of interactions with police you can bring them to court where the police officer will have to show up and swear in with their full name.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
September 23 2025 01:40 GMT
#105249
GH stop pretending if the Democrats did anything on Gaza youd vote for them. You already admitted youd just move onto another issue.

Asking Americans to protest over Gaza when we have a potential authoritarian in office and we dont protest over that is not realistic.

The constant discussion over Gaza is tiring. You dont really give a shit about Gaza, you dont believe in harm reduction.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27456 Posts
September 23 2025 02:10 GMT
#105250
On September 23 2025 10:40 Sadist wrote:
GH stop pretending if the Democrats did anything on Gaza youd vote for them. You already admitted youd just move onto another issue.

Asking Americans to protest over Gaza when we have a potential authoritarian in office and we dont protest over that is not realistic.

The constant discussion over Gaza is tiring. You dont really give a shit about Gaza, you dont believe in harm reduction.


One might even say you might also get more folks on the streets but for clampdowns on protest, fears you’ll get swept up by ICE and whatnot.

No guarantee you’d get a hypothetical Dem admin to bend on the topic to a sufficient degree, sure. You will get more room to try though, have at it
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 02:18:19
September 23 2025 02:12 GMT
#105251
On September 23 2025 10:40 Sadist wrote:
GH stop pretending if the Democrats did anything on Gaza youd vote for them. You already admitted youd just move onto another issue.

Asking Americans to protest over Gaza when we have a potential authoritarian in office and we dont protest over that is not realistic.

The constant discussion over Gaza is tiring. You dont really give a shit about Gaza, you dont believe in harm reduction.

It's not about who I would or wouldn't vote for. That's a red herring.

I was saying we needed to do it before the authoritarian democratically won office anyway.

While I obviously care about Gaza, I was actually saying we need to be doing protest like that about basically everything Trump is doing. As an example:

For champions of freedom of speech, we have a man being arrested for "threatening" facebook posts.

Sheriff: Man Arrested For 'Mass Violence' Threats Following Facebook Post

"One of the images posted by Mr. Bushart eluded to a hypothetical shooting at a place called Perry High School" the Sheriff told WOPC. "That message caused considerable concern within the community and we were asked to investigate" Weems added.


The posts in question?

+ Show Spoiler +
I guess you can just check out the article if you want to see them, since it includes the "change my mind" one that's a bit much.


The shooting wasn't hypothetical, neither is the quote.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 02:43:31
September 23 2025 02:28 GMT
#105252
So with the media failing to do their job and press Trump about project 2025 and barely acknowledging that hes been following it to a T with his appointments and use of the budget to try to force things through, we now have 47% implemented since November. Edit: since January

https://www.project2025.observer/en

Corporate media does our country such a disservice.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12015 Posts
September 23 2025 04:22 GMT
#105253
On September 23 2025 11:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 10:40 Sadist wrote:
GH stop pretending if the Democrats did anything on Gaza youd vote for them. You already admitted youd just move onto another issue.

Asking Americans to protest over Gaza when we have a potential authoritarian in office and we dont protest over that is not realistic.

The constant discussion over Gaza is tiring. You dont really give a shit about Gaza, you dont believe in harm reduction.

It's not about who I would or wouldn't vote for. That's a red herring.

I was saying we needed to do it before the authoritarian democratically won office anyway.

While I obviously care about Gaza, I was actually saying we need to be doing protest like that about basically everything Trump is doing. As an example:

For champions of freedom of speech, we have a man being arrested for "threatening" facebook posts.

Show nested quote +
Sheriff: Man Arrested For 'Mass Violence' Threats Following Facebook Post

"One of the images posted by Mr. Bushart eluded to a hypothetical shooting at a place called Perry High School" the Sheriff told WOPC. "That message caused considerable concern within the community and we were asked to investigate" Weems added.


The posts in question?

+ Show Spoiler +
I guess you can just check out the article if you want to see them, since it includes the "change my mind" one that's a bit much.


The shooting wasn't hypothetical, neither is the quote.


To be fair, it is basically impossible to keep up with all the shootings at US high schools. No one can remember all of those.
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States611 Posts
September 23 2025 05:38 GMT
#105254
On September 23 2025 11:28 Sadist wrote:
So with the media failing to do their job and press Trump about project 2025 and barely acknowledging that hes been following it to a T with his appointments and use of the budget to try to force things through, we now have 47% implemented since November. Edit: since January

https://www.project2025.observer/en

Corporate media does our country such a disservice.

Include social in there and you've got it. The average person has no idea how to think critically, but now they can collect and be stupid together. It's depressing.
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
September 23 2025 06:20 GMT
#105255
On September 23 2025 09:06 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 08:55 Fleetfeet wrote:
Ooo is this Razyda on round three of the whole 'theres two cultures, only one can survive trust me bro' thing?

Ooo is this Fleetfleet saying nothing??


On the contrary, it's me pointing out that you're taking a third swing at an argument that you haven't defended and presumably can't defend because it's a shit argument. You're the one not saying anything.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 06:29:36
September 23 2025 06:29 GMT
#105256
On September 23 2025 10:24 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Can’t you eventually and theoretically doxx a police officer through their identification number because it is, well, an identification number? What’s the point of that sort of policy unless your goal is to make it as difficult as possible to report a police officer where witnesses of foul play are essentially required to remember an even harder to see and remember licence plate number.



A police officer must be held to a higher standard than an average citizen. That's part of the job.
If you don't want to, become a Mall Cop.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18449 Posts
September 23 2025 06:41 GMT
#105257
On September 23 2025 15:29 KT_Elwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 10:24 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Can’t you eventually and theoretically doxx a police officer through their identification number because it is, well, an identification number? What’s the point of that sort of policy unless your goal is to make it as difficult as possible to report a police officer where witnesses of foul play are essentially required to remember an even harder to see and remember licence plate number.



A police officer must be held to a higher standard than an average citizen. That's part of the job.
If you don't want to, become a Mall Cop.

Mall cops aren't allowed to be masked either.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18449 Posts
September 23 2025 06:43 GMT
#105258
Let's go about this differently. Razyda: are you in favor of law enforcement being allowed to wear a niqab?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10960 Posts
September 23 2025 08:11 GMT
#105259
On September 23 2025 15:43 Acrofales wrote:
Let's go about this differently. Razyda: are you in favor of law enforcement being allowed to wear a niqab?


In a "christian" country?
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
September 23 2025 08:37 GMT
#105260
On September 23 2025 10:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
This. This is the sort of protesting that need to be happening in the US right now

Show nested quote +
ROME (AP) — Thousands of protesters and strikers calling for solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza took to the streets in Italy on Monday, with some storming Milan’s central train station and clashing violently with police.

Italy’s grassroots unions, which represent hundreds of thousands of people ranging from schoolteachers to metalworkers, called for a 24-hour general strike in both public and private sectors, including public transportation, trains, schools and ports.

The strike caused disruptions across the country, with long delays for national trains and limited public transport in major cities, including Rome.


apnews.com

https://twitter.com/il_pucciarelli/status/1970084774174724579


Hey, I was actually at that protest outside Termini! Kind of by coincidence, I just happened to be nearby in Rome at the time.

Honestly not that different a feeling from a 50501 protest. More communist party flags, certainly, and maybe a few more Palestine flags although in my experience there’s a lot of those at 50501 protests too.

What interests me though (I don’t know the answers to these questions, I’ll try to research more when I can but I also wanted to pose them here): What does the accompanying “general strike” in Italy look like? Who organizes it? And who actually strikes? It doesn’t seem like I had any trouble finding food or transportation, but I’m not sure if that’s because those workers aren’t supporting the strike or if they’re not even being asked to.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
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