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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23325 Posts
2 hours ago
#105261
On September 23 2025 17:37 ChristianS wrote:
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On September 23 2025 10:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
This. This is the sort of protesting that need to be happening in the US right now

ROME (AP) — Thousands of protesters and strikers calling for solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza took to the streets in Italy on Monday, with some storming Milan’s central train station and clashing violently with police.

Italy’s grassroots unions, which represent hundreds of thousands of people ranging from schoolteachers to metalworkers, called for a 24-hour general strike in both public and private sectors, including public transportation, trains, schools and ports.

The strike caused disruptions across the country, with long delays for national trains and limited public transport in major cities, including Rome.


apnews.com




Hey, I was actually at that protest outside Termini! Kind of by coincidence, I just happened to be nearby in Rome at the time.

Honestly not that different a feeling from a 50501 protest. More communist party flags, certainly, and maybe a few more Palestine flags although in my experience there’s a lot of those at 50501 protests too.

What interests me though (I don’t know the answers to these questions, I’ll try to research more when I can but I also wanted to pose them here): What does the accompanying “general strike” in Italy look like? Who organizes it? And who actually strikes? It doesn’t seem like I had any trouble finding food or transportation, but I’m not sure if that’s because those workers aren’t supporting the strike or if they’re not even being asked to.


From what I understand it was "grassroots unions" which are basically the ones outside/to the left of the 3 main confederations.

I've had a very different impression of (most/all) of the 50501 protests. Noticeably, the insistence by 50501 organizers to not be disruptive, stay on the sidewalk, etc. Frequently in contrast/conflict with other organizers that "50501 protests" have glommed onto in places like LA, NYC, and other places we've seen the more disruptive protests.

In Bologna—home to the world’s oldest continuously operating university—students occupied lecture halls and thousands of demonstrators took to the streets, including the Tangenziale, the ring highway around the city, where police attacked them with water cannons and tear gas.

Dockworkers and other demonstrators marched and blocked ports in cities including Genoa, Trieste, and Livorno.

Thousands of protesters also blocked the main train station in Naples.


www.commondreams.org

They're intentionally blocking, occupying, confronting police, etc. Maybe 50501 has gotten more radicalized since I last payed attention to them (I see them on the sidewalks when I'm out and about from time to time), but that's the kind of stuff Biden and Democrats were cracking down on before Trump even got into office.
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4342 Posts
1 hour ago
#105262
On September 23 2025 09:43 Razyda wrote:
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On September 23 2025 09:10 WombaT wrote:

Charlie Kirk isn’t all that relevant to how ICE is currently operating, and whether that’s desirable or not.



I think it very much is. If someone is willing to take on the millionaire with private security what chances someone without this resources have?

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On September 23 2025 09:09 Luolis wrote:
Just to confirm, Razyda, do you think that police should cover their faces and hide identification? Surely they are also at risk and should be protected.


What I think is police should be able to protect their identity from general public. They should have some sort of identification (as in badge number, not a name and address on it though). In case conservative position is unclear: Lynch by general public is a no, no.


Police officers in general are extraordinarily likely to get killed (when compared to the general public). That risk is a fundamental part of their job that they're aware of and that they know can't be avoided.
Wearing masks will not change that. But what masks will do is that they'll shift more of the risk from law enforcement to the general public, because the general public now has to deal with the uncertainty of who's truly knocking at the door since the people knocking could be literally anyone impersonating an officer, including robbers, rapists, stalkers, etc. People now have no way of telling the difference.

That is the point of contention. The general public didn't sign anything that says they must deal with an enhanced risk when dealing with law enforcement. It's only the other way around, and that's for a good reason. People who work in law enforcement have a different mentality than most people and they receive required therapy, allowing them to deal with the anxiety that comes with their profession. It's literally in their job description. Same as firefighters.

Shifting the risk onto the general public is intolerable. That should never be allowed to happen.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 10:47:01
1 hour ago
#105263
Looks like a honest source:
https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatality-data/causes-of-law-enforcement-deaths/

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So the number of Police officers actually getting shot is about 1/3 of all deaths.

Considering that police in the US extensively gets into shoot outs with citizenz "job related illness" is the real danger though.
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