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Northern Ireland25665 Posts
On April 06 2025 08:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? define minor? Should a 17 year old be legally eligible to work the night shift at a gas station on Friday and/or Saturday nights? yep, they should be legally eligible to do so. Should a 7 year old be legally permitted to do so. I say, NO. 17 year olds from 2 generations past are a good deal more psychologically durable than the 17 year olds of this and the previous generation precisely because they were far too coddled as teenagers. here is a much deeper look into the issue of over-protecting teenagers. https://www.thecoddling.com/
Of course they’re coddled, they can’t even drink for fuck sake!
That outrage aside I think a lot of this is exaggerated massively.
More sensitive in ways? Perhaps but that isn’t an entirely negative phenomenon either. Less tolerant of bullshit, and being better communicators when it comes to feelings spring to mind.
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On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 05:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Florida is turning back child labour laws in an attempt to fill labour shortages but sure bring more manufacturing jobs to the US lol. nah, the bill as doomed as long as it permits 15 to 17 year olds to work over night shifts when they must go to school the next day. I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid.
Ah yes, because Florida is notorious for considering the education, safety, and well-being of its students >.>
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United States24701 Posts
On April 06 2025 08:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 08:14 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 08:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? define minor? Should a 17 year old be legally eligible to work the night shift at a gas station on Friday and/or Saturday nights? yep, they should be legally eligible to do so. Should a 7 year old be legally permitted to do so. I say, NO. I was speaking about young employees in the context of: On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nah, the bill as doomed as long as it permits 15 to 17 year olds to work over night shifts when they must go to school the next day. i don't think 15 to 17 year olds should work a night shift when they must go to school the next day. it appears many floridians share my common sense perspective. as a result, the bill will die if it includes the legalization of such a thing. and by "night shift" i'm talking working past 11pm into the morning hours... perhaps "midnight shift" is a more precise description.
Okay. Now that we have aligned on what age group we are talking about, can we revisit my question?
On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors?
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United States42971 Posts
On April 06 2025 07:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 06:20 KwarK wrote:On April 05 2025 19:52 Sadist wrote:
Oblade you cannot build your manufacturing base up in 2 years for consumer goods. No one is even starting because theres a thought the tariffs may go away.
A brownfield or greenfield plant takes years to be operational and requires huge investment. You also need to have a plan on what products will go there. For automotive all of this is selected 2-3 years before start of production.
Ah yes but what if we supercharge capital investment by reducing the available capital for it? What if we make our industries more competitive by increasing their costs and reducing the markets available to them? The saddest thought is that these tariffs arn't enough to do what Trump wants them to do. Hes going to need to either massively increase them or people are just going to be expected to absorb the higher costs.
Yeah but it’ll be easier to access export markets. You see right now there are rival foreign companies that we know make a better cheaper product than America can make. That’s why America bought from them. Once America stops buying from them they’ll have no choice but to dump it on the global export market for anyone who will buy it.
The elements are all there. We just export the inferior good at a higher price into a market that is already over saturated with superior goods. It can’t fail.
We just need to invest billions in building up the capacity to break into that market that is saturated with better products at a lower price.
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School kids are required to work day shifts at school, so it doesn't make sense for them to work overnight. How can you have a functional sleep schedule doing both of those things?
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On April 06 2025 06:07 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 05:45 oBlade wrote:On April 06 2025 05:13 Broetchenholer wrote:
Do you also think the EU will now order it's citizens and companies to buy beautiful American beef? What trade deals do you think can be done besides everyone is allowed to import every good from one another besides the ones that are illegal? People were importing your Tesla's and dodges, people will not suddenly start buying more of them to please trump so that our Porsches can be sold without tariffs to your middle aged men with small penises. There was never an unfair trade for the us in the first place, all victory laps he will do will be for imaginary victories.
I really can't wait for the American production of super cheap clothes and coffee and cocoa. The thesis isn't every country needs to produce every kind of product and sell it to every other country. EU tariffs US cars, they don't need to. Germany was buying a third of their oil from Russia for a decade. Because it's cheap. Germany used the savings to balance shutting down nuclear power plants producing cheap electricity and buy inefficient solar and green options. It would have been better just to have not been buying from Russia the whole time, but bygones are bygones, so probably EU can get away with a deal to buy even more US oil since the US is a net energy exporter. France, Germany, US should all be collaborating on nuclear. We have beautiful mountains you can put the waste. EU can recycle fuel, US regulation still doesn't allow it. And if Germany really wants to remilitarize due to the threat of Russia (and Europe is okay with this) US would love to sell lots of 5.56mm for the boys' H&Ks and some shiny vehicles for them to ride in and pilot. This is a bit of a tangent but I love how you think solar is inefficient. The problem with solar is that when it's on it's so damn cheap it just nukes every other form of energy. On a good sunny day the grid can't handle the production. When it's not a good day you are fucked because you don't have other options. Why? Because you can't sell electricity for those options during sunny days and if you build them for the rainy days you have enough power for those days and you won't get the insane profits you need for them. The solution is gas power plants because they are pretty cheap to build as far as power goes, very effective and you can just turn them on when you need them. If you have access to cheap gas this is a very solid strategy.
Don't worry, the next evolution of solar is all around battery tech (make and store the power in the day and sell it on the grid at night) which would currently be Tesla batteries likely, so in no time oBlade will get the pro solar download and he will be on that side.
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I was quite enthusiastic about solar until I realized a few things:
1) The load balancing requires incomprehensibly infeasible energy storage. If the mining for solar panels is bad, the mining for lithium for that is worse
2) It's historically a huge grift for environmentalists who hate nuclear for no reason, and want to be environmentalists more than they want cheap clean energy
3) Solar leases are often not as beneficial to homeowners as they appear
4) Enormous solar fields will mess up the environment if for example you cover a beautiful mountain in them
5) They are vulnerable to weather, tornadoes, hail, and most of all if you for example designate Kansas as the electric state and fill it with solar panels, you lose energy transmitting to the rest of the country, which is not the end of the world because the sun is at least free, but you can't secure it and you're very vulnerable to one bomb, or bomb-analogous threats
That was a firmware update so I'm not likely to switch back. Solar is a niche case for people who live in the middle of the Sierras.
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On April 06 2025 16:36 oBlade wrote:
I was quite enthusiastic about solar until I realized a few things:
1) The load balancing requires incomprehensibly infeasible energy storage. If the mining for solar panels is bad, the mining for lithium for that is worse
2) It's historically a huge grift for environmentalists who hate nuclear for no reason, and want to be environmentalists more than they want cheap clean energy
3) Solar leases are often not as beneficial to homeowners as they appear
4) Enormous solar fields will mess up the environment if for example you cover a beautiful mountain in them
5) They are vulnerable to weather, tornadoes, hail, and most of all if you for example designate Kansas as the electric state and fill it with solar panels, you lose energy transmitting to the rest of the country, which is not the end of the world because the sun is at least free, but you can't secure it and you're very vulnerable to one bomb, or bomb-analogous threats
That was a firmware update so I'm not likely to switch back. Solar is a niche case for people who live in the middle of the Sierras.
Friend of mine lives in Scotland and put panels on his roof and got a good battery to go with it. He expects to recover the investment within the next 7 years, quicker if gas prices rise again.
It's a genuinely solid financial investment with the upside that you also help the environment.
Flow batteries also don't require lithium if that's the concern.
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In germany it's pretty easy. If you own property (and only 46% of households do), you can set up solar panels for 0% interest rate in subsidized loans, or get a subsidy for mounting solar panels
That's literally untaxed energy from your roof that allows to power your car, your heating, your appliances and so on.
In the past it was even more subsidized as you got up to ~60 cent for every kWh of electricity your system send into the grid, which was a huge conservative present to the people who owned property and just turned their roofs into money generators paid for by taxes of the poor.
Of course the subsidy died off, taking the fat and lazy solar manufacturers in germany with them, chinese panels are better for half the price (subsidized by the chinese tax payer).
If you believe in markets and want efficiency, just make every kWh cost the same, and let the storage forms compete.
A liter of gas holds ~10kWh.. if your gas car needs 12l/100km .. you burn 120kWh - typical EV will do 25kWh/100km.
A heatpump (or AC-Unit) requires 1/3 of the energy to create the same energy for heating (within temperature limits) than a gas or oil-heater)
if energy is the same cost... everybody can do the math.
and it's not like "impossibruuuu" because of how the energy is generated, but taxes and grid-cost (which is regulated..by teh gov)
Politicans in germany rather gave the rich people the advantage of the cheap solar energy, than cutting the costs for everybody by mandating parity of prices, pushing customers to go electric (with their own money).
The most lucrative way is: Panels uber alles. And then maximize your usage of the power generated without spending on batteries.
In the Summer have the AC running .. for free.. and WFH.
Buy a "car2grid" capeable EV, and let it be the storage.
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I think concrete (and similar) would be a far superior energy storage compared to batteries and would solve most of solars problems.
I guess there has to be something I miss because it's strange it hasn't happened already.
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On April 06 2025 20:35 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I think concrete (and similar) would be a far superior energy storage compared to batteries and would solve most of solars problems.
I guess there has to be something I miss because it's strange it hasn't happened already.
And even better than concrete is water. Because it is much easier to pump upward, store at higher places, and regain energy from moving it downwards again compared to concrete blocks.
Basically, moving concrete is the silly techbro variant of pumped storage hydroelectricity.
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On April 06 2025 20:44 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 20:35 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I think concrete (and similar) would be a far superior energy storage compared to batteries and would solve most of solars problems.
I guess there has to be something I miss because it's strange it hasn't happened already. And even better than concrete is water. Because it is much easier to pump upward, store at higher places, and regain energy from moving it downwards again compared to concrete blocks. Basically, moving concrete is the silly techbro variant of pumped storage hydroelectricity.
You misunderstand.
You don't store energy at all because it's ineffective.
Concrete has a pretty simple production process (you burn it, very hot), is easy to set up in different sizes of plants, is used everywhere (especially where there are people) and requires a vast amount of energy.
Essentially you burn a lot of gas to make it. It makes up a very large part of of our carbon footprint.
Instead of building batteries or pumped hydro or whatever other way of trying to store lighting you build small to medium sized concrete plants.
When the sun shines (and/or the wind blows) you make a shitload of concrete with electricity. This introduces a massive energy demand at the same time you have a massive energy production and its local to the production so the grid is balanced.
Concrete is easy to store and to move, just stick it in a covered warehouse or move it somewhere else on a truck or train.
Since energy demand goes up at peak production (concrete uses gas not the electricity right now) energy prices goes up during peak production which is good because it makes it viable to have more expensive baseline power such as nuclear.
You don't make concrete during the night (as long as you don't have enough wind power because then you can run the plants during the night as well).
And if the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow you simply don't make concrete because the price is to high and the baseline power that is now economically viable covers the rest of demand.
Sure you need to idle your production at times but historically that has never been a super big problem.
As a bonus your consumption of natural gas goes down by a lot.
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Ah, i see. Yes, timing energy-intensive production to times of high energy production is definitively a way to balance a grid. And luckily, it is a thing that should happen on its own through market forces if companies that can easily vary their energy demands get time-actual energy pricing, enabling them to just turn on the production when energy is cheap (because there is a surplus) and turning it off when it is expensive (when there is low demand).
There was some weird techbro thing with storing energy by lifting concrete blocks that i saw a while back, i thought that was what you were talking about, sorry about that.
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On April 06 2025 08:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 08:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? define minor? Should a 17 year old be legally eligible to work the night shift at a gas station on Friday and/or Saturday nights? yep, they should be legally eligible to do so. Should a 7 year old be legally permitted to do so. I say, NO. 17 year olds from 2 generations past are a good deal more psychologically durable than the 17 year olds of this and the previous generation precisely because they were far too coddled as teenagers. here is a much deeper look into the issue of over-protecting teenagers. https://www.thecoddling.com/ That outrage aside I think a lot of this is exaggerated massively.
Logical Fallacy: Appeal to emotion.
Outrage? Deal with the facts please.
My comment is regarding American teenagers... how many American teenagers do you spend any time with at all?
Suicide is up 62% in 17 years.
Amongst teenagers Obesity has more than doubled over the past 40 years.
Myopia is skyrocketing amongst teenagers.
Literacy and basic arithmetic skills are disappearing. Go to any retail store and watch a teenager unable to make proper change when you hand them a $5 after you buy $2.15 in product.
1 in 10 GenZ females is an onlyfans creator.
Plastic surgery on teenagers has doubled the past 8 years.
Rising anabolic steroid use amongst teenagers
For males... it is not plastic surgery but its pre-emptive "Tommy John" surgery. There is nothing wrong with their elbow... they want to add 2 MPH to their fastball. So they have a tendon replacing a ligament in their elbow. The slightly more flexible tendon allows more force.
The kids... are not alright...
and it is the adults that have failed to raise them properly.
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On April 06 2025 21:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 20:44 Simberto wrote:On April 06 2025 20:35 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I think concrete (and similar) would be a far superior energy storage compared to batteries and would solve most of solars problems.
I guess there has to be something I miss because it's strange it hasn't happened already. And even better than concrete is water. Because it is much easier to pump upward, store at higher places, and regain energy from moving it downwards again compared to concrete blocks. Basically, moving concrete is the silly techbro variant of pumped storage hydroelectricity. You misunderstand. You don't store energy at all because it's ineffective. Concrete has a pretty simple production process (you burn it, very hot), is easy to set up in different sizes of plants, is used everywhere (especially where there are people) and requires a vast amount of energy. Essentially you burn a lot of gas to make it. It makes up a very large part of of our carbon footprint. Instead of building batteries or pumped hydro or whatever other way of trying to store lighting you build small to medium sized concrete plants. When the sun shines (and/or the wind blows) you make a shitload of concrete with electricity. This introduces a massive energy demand at the same time you have a massive energy production and its local to the production so the grid is balanced. Concrete is easy to store and to move, just stick it in a covered warehouse or move it somewhere else on a truck or train. Since energy demand goes up at peak production (concrete uses gas not the electricity right now) energy prices goes up during peak production which is good because it makes it viable to have more expensive baseline power such as nuclear. You don't make concrete during the night (as long as you don't have enough wind power because then you can run the plants during the night as well). And if the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow you simply don't make concrete because the price is to high and the baseline power that is now economically viable covers the rest of demand. Sure you need to idle your production at times but historically that has never been a super big problem. As a bonus your consumption of natural gas goes down by a lot.
Have you done the math with how much wind/sun you need to make concrete?
You also need the capacity to build a lot very quickly whenever the opportunity is there, and then just sit idle when the sun/wind is not present. You need a lot of trained staff on standby, and large investments doing nothing for you.
I am no engineer, but don't think your idea is a sound one. Solar and wind is just too unreliable and does not generate enough power compared to hydro/fossil fuel/nuclear to power those industries.
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United States42971 Posts
Out of the many very silly objections Oblade raised the load balancing might be the only valid one (his ugly mountain objection was the silliest). Essentially the demand and production need to not only remain aligned, it also needs to be reactive to the second. The classic example in England is a tv show having a break causing people to go put their kettles on for a cup of tea but it could be anything, a terrorist shoots a remote transformer and knocks out some demand or whatever.
Getting that level of reactivity in the grid would be damn near impossible to do manually but fortunately we don’t have to. Classic power plants use steam to power giant spinning turbines connected to dynamos. Those turbines are very heavy and are spinning fast which means that at all times they’re storing a lot of energy because they’re flywheels. If the power demand suddenly increases then the dynamos start offering increased resistance to the turbine but the increased power generation is immediately there, it starts pulling excess energy from the motion of the turbine. The turbine begins to slow but that’s a problem that can be dealt with in hours whereas load balancing is a problem that must be dealt with in seconds. The same happens in a demand drop, the resistance decreases and the turbine accelerates.
The fact that our power plants use generation that doubles as giant accidentally analog reactive power storage devices has been incredibly helpful for the grid. And it’s not really possible to duplicate it because those flywheels aren’t an external top up or energy dump that you pull or push to to balance load, they’re an internal reservoir that balances it naturally.
I saw a suggestion that in a completely distributed power generation system you could use an AI hooked up to millions of networked batteries, such as all the electric cars currently plugged in to chargers, to stabilize the load. But the complexity there is enormous. Other methods like water storage can be efficient for storage but they can’t get the millisecond responsiveness of the power plant flywheel. At present there’s really no alternative.
That doesn’t mean you can’t use solar of course, just that you need to have some power plants in the mix too.
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Northern Ireland25665 Posts
On April 06 2025 21:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2025 08:31 WombaT wrote:On April 06 2025 08:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? define minor? Should a 17 year old be legally eligible to work the night shift at a gas station on Friday and/or Saturday nights? yep, they should be legally eligible to do so. Should a 7 year old be legally permitted to do so. I say, NO. 17 year olds from 2 generations past are a good deal more psychologically durable than the 17 year olds of this and the previous generation precisely because they were far too coddled as teenagers. here is a much deeper look into the issue of over-protecting teenagers. https://www.thecoddling.com/ That outrage aside I think a lot of this is exaggerated massively. Logical Fallacy: Appeal to emotion. Outrage? Deal with the facts please. My comment is regarding American teenagers... how many American teenagers do you spend any time with at all? Suicide is up 62% in 17 years. Amongst teenagers Obesity has more than doubled over the past 40 years. Myopia is skyrocketing amongst teenagers. Literacy and basic arithmetic skills are disappearing. Go to any retail store and watch a teenager unable to make proper change when you hand them a $5 after you buy $2.15 in product. 1 in 10 GenZ females is an onlyfans creator. Plastic surgery on teenagers has doubled the past 8 years. Rising anabolic steroid use amongst teenagersFor males... it is not plastic surgery but its pre-emptive "Tommy John" surgery. There is nothing wrong with their elbow... they want to add 2 MPH to their fastball. So they have a tendon replacing a ligament in their elbow. The slightly more flexible tendon allows more force. The kids... are not alright... and it is the adults that have failed to raise them properly.
Fallacy fallacy: Didn’t make an appeal to emotion at any point.
I’m not saying the kids are alright, in many cases far from it. I just reject the conception that it’s entirely down to some lack of resilience that former generations apparently possessed, and if they just toughened up they’d be fine. I think both the problem and the solution are way off base in conception. Part of it, yeah, not the totality.
That or some of it is simply boomer nonsense about them not being good at things like counting change. They don’t bloody use it! Alright grandpa who’s had decades to figure out how to compose an email, sure I’ll take that under advisement.
I couldn’t easily do the mental calculations for our pre-decimalisation currency system. But I’d pick it up pretty damn quickly if we reintroduced it and got rid of card payment
1 out of 10 gen Z females being an Onlyfans creator feels high to me, but perhaps I am wrong. But if there is malaise there I wouldn’t attribute it to some generational decline in resilience.
Parents can only do so much, if they’re competing against well, the entirety of wider society.
Folks play whatever hand they get dealt. If familiarity with change is an almost redundant skill for many, it atrophies. If your society is ruthlessly competitive, image-focused and you’re bombarded with that constantly, hell you might well feel miserable. If said society offers you that easy fix for the insecurity it instilled in the first place, many will take that option. If you’re broke and Onlyfans might be an option to well, not be broke, some folks will go that way.
I don’t at all dispute the problems, but collectively you get out what you put in.
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~70 mil genZ in the US.
~35 mil genZ are female.
1.1 mil creator accounts in the US.
55% are female in the age group 20-29 = 605k
Exactly how many are 20-29 is unknown but the average age is 29 and the majority are between 20-40 so I'd guess probably around 50% are genz = 305k.
~1 in 114 female genZ are an only fan creator in the US.
You are supposed to be a programmer jimmy, you guys were supposed to be good at math and statistics? Just got beaten by a dentist, we hate math.
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On April 07 2025 00:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
~70 mil genZ in the US.
~35 mil genZ are female.
1.1 mil creator accounts in the US.
55% are female in the age group 20-29 = 605k
Exactly how many are 20-29 is unknown but the average age is 29 and the majority are between 20-40 so I'd guess probably around 50% are genz = 305k.
~1 in 114 female genZ are an only fan creator in the US.
You are supposed to be a programmer jimmy, you guys were supposed to be good at math and statistics? Just got beaten by a dentist, we hate math.
You assume nobody has double accounts as well as not registering in another country to pull audience. So I think you are estimate is high.
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the point is that 1 in 10 is utter bullshit and any casual consideration of what that means will show that.
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