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Gorsameth
Netherlands21668 Posts
On April 07 2025 06:53 Simberto wrote: The easy go to answer is the cost of US college tuition. Yeah, i think my argument was basically that if a lot of people feel that they have to do porn, that would be a societal problem imo. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
On April 07 2025 06:53 Simberto wrote: Yeah, i think my argument was basically that if a lot of people feel that they have to do porn, that would be a societal problem imo. Most people already feel like they have to do X form of work to survive though, I do agree that it basically is a societal problem, its just one thats not limited to porn | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
On April 07 2025 04:40 GreenHorizons wrote: ThirdHorizons:I'll tell you what is intense Biff, The Trump administration arguing that the courts can't make them return a Maryland man they MISTAKENLY kidnapped and have locked away in a foreign prison. www.cbsnews.com Without due process, as Garcia didn't get here, that could end up being anyone. If the courts can't make the administration send the person back, there's no potential remediation for innocent people getting kidnapped and thrown in foreign prisons by the Trump administration. How refreshingly atypical to see ye olde Constitution invoked to excuse arseholery. Yeah, shit is fucked. It’s bad enough such ‘mistakes’ occur in the first place, it’s another to seemingly not be able to get such things rectified. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
On April 07 2025 06:00 Zambrah wrote: Honestly making wank material probably brings 10x as much joy into people's lives as the average TL'ers job does. If 5% of the population was doing porn then it sounds like there are a lot of horny people who are getting to enjoy their horny whims. I dont see how OF is any worse or more coercive a career than any other job under capitalism, like if you're literally being coerced into doing an OF by a significant other, or a family member or something thats obviously horrible, but thats also just true of being coerced into doing anything else. Aye, cannae disagree with that there. If I have an issue, it’s that I’m not sure you can square the circle of fighting objectification of (mostly women), and a commodified, commercialised form of sex that frequently does just that. Or, in another manner of speaking, I don’t negatively view the individual, but I think on aggregate it has negative societal outcomes as well. As I alluded to early by saying I find it frustrating to discuss elsewhere, where I’m kinda locked out by misogyny, or just mere conservative prudishness on one end, or ‘yas empowerment go slay’ stuff at the other. Not a consumer of OF, although I have heard much is considerably healthier than the more traditional porn machine, so there is that in its favour alongside obviously the control people have over what they’re doing. Also absolutely not an exclusively OF thing, but I’d imagine some aren’t exactly careful in not taking advantage of the parasocial relationships formed, in ways that I wouldn’t consider particularly ethical. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On April 07 2025 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote: I'll be honest I like GH and he makes interesting posts but i stopped reading them altogether when this started. GH: Please stop. + Show Spoiler + GH: As several people have pointed out, LibHorizons posting isn't really that different from mine, other than the most important aspect of what I and most of the rest of the posters disagree on. LibHorizons is expressly and sincerely trying to map out and engage in the best plan forward electorally through the Democratic party as a progressive that voted for Hillary, Biden, and Harris. Turns out no one is actually interested in doing that here (regardless of whether they do it with me/Libhorizons or not). Having LibHorizons be the primary/only poster trying to win the next elections with the Democratic party makes them and their mean girl liberalism look ridiculous and shallow. Perhaps that's your point though? You don't like me giving any credence to the idea there's a path out of this electorally for Democrats, even if Lib/ThirdHorizons are the only ones here posting as if there is and they want to pursue it? All of our time is obviously much better spent on discussing On April 07 2025 06:00 Zambrah wrote: Honestly making wank material probably brings 10x as much joy into people's lives as the average TL'ers job does. If 5% of the population was doing porn then it sounds like there are a lot of horny people who are getting to enjoy their horny whims. I dont see how OF is any worse or more coercive a career than any other job under capitalism, like if you're literally being coerced into doing an OF by a significant other, or a family member or something thats obviously horrible, but thats also just true of being coerced into doing anything else. This is bog-standard social democrat/democratic socialist analysis basically no one except the right wingers that are driving this discussion should disagree with. That being said, it's still acutely more insightful than most posting on the subject thus far. | ||
micronesia
United States24677 Posts
Please answer the original question... you said something pretty strange to me and I'm just asking you to clarify. On April 06 2025 08:43 micronesia wrote: Okay. Now that we have aligned on what age group we are talking about, can we revisit my question? | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8512 Posts
U.S. stock futures dropped early Monday as the White House remained defiant even after a two-day historic stock market rout that followed President Donald Trump’s rollout of shockingly high tariff rates on most key U.S. trading partners. Dow Jones Industrial average futures fell 1,033 points, or 2.68%, pointing to another brutal session ahead on Monday. S&P 500 futures shed 3.34%. Nasdaq-100 futures lost 4.26% as investors continued to shed their one-time tech winners to raise cash. This follows a market wipeout to end last week: • The Dow posted back-to-back losses of more than 1,500 points for the first time ever, including a 2,231-point shellacking on Friday. • The S&P 500 dropped 6% on Friday for its worst performance since the outbreak of the pandemic in March 2020. The benchmark lost 10% in two days, pushing it to more than 17% below its February record, perilously close to a 20% bear market. • The Nasdaq Composite entered a bear market Friday — down 22% from its record — after losses on Thursday and Friday of nearly 6% apiece. Investors did not receive the news over the weekend they were wishing for that the Trump administration was having successful negotiations with countries to lower the rates, or at the very least, was considering delaying the set of so-called reciprocal tariffs due to take effect April 9. The initial unilateral 10% tariff went into effect Saturday. Instead the president and his key advisors played down the sell-off: • Trump said Sunday evening on the market sell-off: “I don’t want anything to go down, but sometimes you have to take medicine to fix something.” • Trump added, “We have a trillion-dollar trade deficit with China, hundreds of billions of dollars a year we lose with China. And unless we solve that problem, I’m not going to make a deal.” • Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told CBS News that the tariffs would not be postponed. “The tariffs are coming... They are definitely going to stay in place for days and weeks.” • Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent noted to NBC News that more than 50 countries have approached the administration for negotiations, but cautioned “they’ve been bad actors for a long time, and it’s not the kind of thing you can negotiate away in days or weeks.” Investors were surprised first by the magnitude of certain rates applied to trading partners that appeared to be based on a formula without a valid rationale based on established economic theory. They were rattled further when China on Friday decided to retaliate first with a 34% tariff on all U.S. imports, instead of negotiating. Last | 1:17 AM EDT Dow futures “Trump’s Liberation Day last Wednesday triggered annihilation days on Thursday and Friday, with the stock market vigilantes giving a costly thumbs-down to Trump’s reign of tariffs,” wrote Ed Yardeni, president and chief investment strategist of Yardeni Research, in a note to clients Sunday. While the administration said at least 50 nations had reached out to start negotiations, Canada and the European Union were planning to follow China’s lead and readying retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. Vietnam has offered already to cut tariffs on the U.S. to zero, according to Trump, but they appeared to be the exception so far. Fears grew on Wall Street that the sell-off would feed on itself with hedge funds forced to sell down equities and other risky assets to raise cash and meet margin calls. The CBOE Volatility Index , Wall Street’s fear gauge, closed Friday at the 45 level, an extreme level seen mostly only during bear markets. “Margin calls are going out as we speak,” said Chris Rupkey chief economist at FWDBONDS. “For a third straight day investors in U.S. equity markets have turned (a) huge thumbs down on the White House Liberation Day tariffs which have rocked Wall Street.” The price of bitcoin, which usually trades like another big tech stock but had bucked the broader market meltdown last week, fell under the $80,000 Sunday in another sign of de-risking on Wall Street. Global markets tumbled as they opened staring with Asia. Japan’s Nikkei 225 plunged 8%. if this actually persists throughout the week and Trump et al do cost the wrong people too much money, I would double or triple my security detail just in case. third time's the charm they say. at the least I would not fly to Dallas, but with him golfing so much there's not much chance for that. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1926 Posts
It's not retaliatory tariffs, we just want 30% of googles and facebooks ad revenue made by in the EU and we will use it to buy European weapons to send them to Ukraine. Win win win. | ||
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KwarK
United States42656 Posts
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Slydie
1915 Posts
On April 07 2025 16:05 KwarK wrote: He also tariffed countries with which America has a surplus like the UK so who can say. There would be negative tariffs on those countries by the formula, so they slapped a base 10% on everyone instead. I hope some rich and powerful people gets access to Trump so he adjusts this insanity. GoP is supposed to be the "low tax" party. Price increases and layoffs are next, I don't think Trump can survive that. The collective memory of the population in 2025 is about 1-2 weeks, so there is no way his people have the patience to wait 1-5 years to work in the great, new t-shirt factories. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2610 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8512 Posts
people wanted cheaper eggs and various other prices to lower, instead they are getting a trade war SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS. but remember, it's medicine. and if your surgeon is a butcher that does open heart surgery - then good riddance to you! | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9647 Posts
On April 07 2025 16:49 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Best case scenario would be getting across to congress and the house and they take away his tariff toy. I'm not sure if it is in the long term. Best thing might be to show the world what happens when you elect a moron with zero grasp of basic economics and then let him run riot. It doesn't take much to make it a 'never again' situation, but it needs to get to that point or this nonsense will always be an option for populists and other assorted idiots. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway691 Posts
Time to gear up your investments and "buy the dip". | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
On April 07 2025 19:40 Timebon3s wrote: I'm calling it. This shit ends this week and the markets will reach bottom after today. Time to gear up your investments and "buy the dip". This is also a side effect of Trump terms, everyone gets busy talking about stonks cause he gets busy manipulating them. He once said ‚they get you on the way up and the way down‘. Can‘t do that if the they is him and his crooked friends. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21668 Posts
On April 07 2025 19:40 Timebon3s wrote: The EU has not even responded yet, there is plenty of down left to go.I'm calling it. This shit ends this week and the markets will reach bottom after today. Time to gear up your investments and "buy the dip". | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway691 Posts
On April 07 2025 20:27 Gorsameth wrote: The EU has not even responded yet, there is plenty of down left to go. Is it though? Or are the tarrifs already priced into the stock value? Benjamin Netanyahu is flying in today and he will set things straight. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
On April 07 2025 20:41 Timebon3s wrote: Is it though? Or are the tarrifs already priced into the stock value? Benjamin Netanyahu is flying in today and he will set things straight. I’m unsure what him flying in is gonna move in this particular domain in a wider sense. I wouldn’t consider it entirely unlikely that Israel gets some kind of waiver here, but it’s not any kind of blueprint to follow given this administration is so haphazard across the board, and treats Israel completely differently to its other historic allies. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
Its a lot werider when you find out that the only real difference in his posting is that these personas are, in his opinion, okay with genocide. That he presents them as the morally superior version of the other posters of the thread is unsurprisingly on brand for him. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
 ) based in Switzerland is wild.They got a factory in the US since a long time but still only produce "easy" components there due to not being able to get the required quality materials and workforce in the US. In general he sounded like US manufacturing is decades behind. Over the weekend they emptied basically his full storage to send it to the US asap, buying out other companies shipping contracts no matter the cost and so on to be quicker than the tariffs can actually be processed. All in hopes to be able to hold out the storm and keep going longer than other, sometimes even US based, companies. He see's no chance to actually produce the more complicated stuff in the US. Fun part, everything is shipped via one, apperantly well known, customs port because it's known to be more lenient/lacking forms and stuff to even process "correctly". It's also the most expensive to ship thru (especially right now), but according to him it's worth it. | ||
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