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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2715 Posts
On April 07 2025 00:53 WombaT wrote: Even if it weren’t, would it be a big deal? Yes. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23657 Posts
On April 07 2025 00:53 WombaT wrote: Even if it weren’t, would it be a big deal? LibHorizons: In as much as discussing it serves as an effective distraction/ego salve, yeah. (EDIT: As an example of this: On April 07 2025 01:49 Acrofales wrote: )But Fox News said so, so it must be true... On April 06 2025 01:51 GreenHorizons wrote: LibHorizons: I would add to this that understanding why the biggest protest/acts of opposition against Trump since he started his term can't compete for discussion space with people losing to oBlade and Jimmy types in the latest round of intentionally asinine bickering is also a big part of answering why Democrats persistently lose to the "stupid guys" (legislatively), even when they win the elections. LibHorizons: Understanding why Democrats are supporting a sketchy habitual sexual offender in their primary for NYC mayor helps answer that question. So does understanding why they can't really talk about it. Democrats using their biggest majority of our lives (those born after 1981 anyway) to pass their biggest legislative accomplishment of our lives, only for it to be policy Nixon-era Republicans rejected 50 years ago as too right-wing, is demonstrative of this fact. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18219 Posts
On April 07 2025 00:47 Gorsameth wrote: the point is that 1 in 10 is utter bullshit and any casual consideration of what that means will show that. But Fox News said so, so it must be true... | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7982 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9174 Posts
On April 07 2025 02:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: Wtf is LibHorizon? A useful indicator for when you should skip reading a post | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23657 Posts
LibHorizons: I'm a modern Bull Moose progressive that votes for Democrats as lesser evil harm mitigation and is desperately trying to get the other ostensible libs/Dems/ilk here to work on a plan for how to truly win electorally through the Democratic party. As has been made irrefutably clear, they don't discuss that stuff, even among themselves. They much prefer to mock and gawk at the stream of nonsense "stupid" right wingers deliberately feed them to lead them down the path that makes Democrats celebrate that the best legislation they could pass in 40+ years is legislation "stupid" Republicans rejected 50 years ago as too right wing. On April 07 2025 02:24 Dan HH wrote: A useful indicator for when you should skip reading a post LibHorizons: Sick burn, someone get the aloe vera. EDIT: On April 07 2025 02:31 Simberto wrote: GH has for some reason started to roleplay about 3-4 different personas. LibHorizons: Yeah, "Some reason" there's still time to do something. I think that should be socialist in nature. You have inexplicably and steadfastly refused to join those efforts afaict. Opting instead to echo JO's call for contacting politicians (I did this btw, don't know if you tried, but pretty sure it just went to a "not my constituent" Voicemail purgatory?) and threats of primaries. I'd like this to be reciprocal, but I'll make the first steps regardless. I'll try to make a good faith effort to post/act as a lib/Dem/ilk in the context of this thread like I've requested of you and others to do as socialists in my blog. This is your (and the rest of the libs/Dems/ilk) chance to point me in the direction you prefer. You could also all demonstrate your own capacity to act in good faith reciprocity to at least seriously consider the alternatives on the table for organizing against the rising tide of fascism in the US and beyond. LibHorizons: But mocking and gawking at right-wing nonsense is easier and makes my fellow libs/Dems/ilk feel superior in ways that the type of introspection, reflection, and intentionality I'm advocating for doesn't. Not sure how to overcome this hurdle, but it feels pretty imperative to any future worth living in. So I try. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On April 07 2025 02:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: Wtf is LibHorizon? GH has for some reason started to roleplay about 3-4 different personas. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
In what sense? Interested if you (or indeed others) would feel free. It’s a topic I find rather intriguing, but very frustrating to discuss in other locales | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
On April 07 2025 02:31 Simberto wrote: GH has for some reason started to roleplay about 3-4 different personas. I'll be honest I like GH and he makes interesting posts but i stopped reading them altogether when this started. GH: Please stop. | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On April 07 2025 02:31 Simberto wrote: GH has for some reason started to roleplay about 3-4 different personas. The most important part is to roleplay the opposition too. TrumpHorizons or MuskHorizons are missing. We could have a pokemon battle mini-game in USpol. Maybe I‘ll start doing that when I‘m drunk enough. Let me give a shot at a Trumpvax: I think that billionaires should be in charge of the countries politics and that the administrative jobs are a bloated, corrupt mass of do-nothing freeloaders that conspire against the president. Having a chatbot plow through the putrid masses should do the job. Let them write essays on what they do while at it. That NSA chief also doesn‘t do a good job clearly, he allowed someone to fire at Trump, so Trump fired him in return. Tariffs clearly show promise, that‘s why companies will stop importing into the US altogether, emptying shelves and filling jobs. That will increase the worldwide demand for dollars, causing foreign investments to pull out, thus enriching US companies. After they‘ve pulled out enough, he will turn on the money printer and inflate away the debt while the shares remain in US hand. An energy crisis could ensue that demands a quick fix. Those whale-eaters in Greenland better buckle up because their island is defrosting, while the military gets bored jousting. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7982 Posts
On April 07 2025 02:31 Simberto wrote: GH has for some reason started to roleplay about 3-4 different personas. That’s a bit intense lol. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23657 Posts
ThirdHorizons:I'll tell you what is intense Biff, The Trump administration arguing that the courts can't make them return a Maryland man they MISTAKENLY kidnapped and have locked away in a foreign prison. A federal judge did not have the authority to order the Trump administration to broker the return of a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported from the U.S. to a notorious El Salvador prison, government attorneys argued Saturday as they urged an appeals court to suspend the ruling. U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis on Friday ordered the administration to "facilitate and effectuate" Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return to the U.S. by late Monday night. Justice Department lawyers asked the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to immediately pause the judge's order. "A judicial order that forces the Executive to engage with a foreign power in a certain way, let alone compel a certain action by a foreign sovereign, is constitutionally intolerable," they wrote. www.cbsnews.com Without due process, as Garcia didn't get here, that could end up being anyone. If the courts can't make the administration send the person back, there's no potential remediation for innocent people getting kidnapped and thrown in foreign prisons by the Trump administration. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2715 Posts
On April 07 2025 02:50 WombaT wrote: In what sense? Interested if you (or indeed others) would feel free. It’s a topic I find rather intriguing, but very frustrating to discuss in other locales If 1 in 10 young women (and men apparently if the split is close to 50-50) did porn you wouldn't see that as a problem? I can offhandedly think of many reasons it would be problematic but I really don't feel like doing an internal deep dive on the logic and feelings behind that kind of thing just to list them on the internet. So put it down as a moral thing and me being "old" and "conservative". | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On April 07 2025 05:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: If 1 in 10 young women (and men apparently if the split is close to 50-50) did porn you wouldn't see that as a problem? I can offhandedly think of many reasons it would be problematic but I really don't feel like doing an internal deep dive on the logic and feelings behind that kind of thing just to list them on the internet. So put it down as a moral thing and me being "old" and "conservative". It‘s honestly up to whether you see prostitution as legitimate business. It‘s as old as human history. Pornography is even a notch down in intensity. If it earns well and gets people out of poverty, why not ? Should soccer players earn millions for playing a game ? Just regulate it. Sure, 1 in 10 is a bit much. Should regulate itself though. I‘d agree with Simba below that monetary reasons are a shitty reason though. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On April 07 2025 05:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: If 1 in 10 young women (and men apparently if the split is close to 50-50) did porn you wouldn't see that as a problem? I can offhandedly think of many reasons it would be problematic but I really don't feel like doing an internal deep dive on the logic and feelings behind that kind of thing just to list them on the internet. So put it down as a moral thing and me being "old" and "conservative". I think that depends. Some people are into exhibitionism. If that percentage is roughly 10%, and those people just used porn as an easy outlet to live out their exhibitionism, then i wouldn't have a problem with that. If, however, they feel forced to get into porn due to monetary concerns (crushing debt or something like that), or if porn would be viewed as a career choice that produces better monetary returns than learning how to use your brain, that would be problematic to me. Because while i may like porn as much as the next guy, i still think that what really betters the world is people using their brains for good. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I dont see how OF is any worse or more coercive a career than any other job under capitalism, like if you're literally being coerced into doing an OF by a significant other, or a family member or something thats obviously horrible, but thats also just true of being coerced into doing anything else. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On April 07 2025 06:00 Zambrah wrote: Honestly making wank material probably brings 10x as much joy into people's lives as the average TL'ers job does. If 5% of the population was doing porn then it sounds like there are a lot of horny people who are getting to enjoy their horny whims. I dont see how OF is any worse or more coercive a career than any other job under capitalism, like if you're literally being coerced into doing an OF by a significant other, or a family member or something thats obviously horrible, but thats also just true of being coerced into doing anything else. Yeah, i think my argument was basically that if a lot of people feel that they have to do porn, that would be a societal problem imo. | ||
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On April 07 2025 06:53 Simberto wrote: Yeah, i think my argument was basically that if a lot of people feel that they have to do porn, that would be a societal problem imo. Imagine opening the news and 50% of the job openings are porn castings. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On April 07 2025 06:57 Vivax wrote: Imagine opening the news and 50% of the job openings are porn castings. Well I’d be fucked then. Or indeed, not as the case would be | ||
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