EPTFor anyone who enjoys these Alex Jones/40K mashups.
People think I’m joking or exaggerating but a cumulative year in high-risk psych wards and there was maybe one bloke who consistently said things as fucking mental as Alex Jones
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
For anyone who enjoys these Alex Jones/40K mashups. People think I’m joking or exaggerating but a cumulative year in high-risk psych wards and there was maybe one bloke who consistently said things as fucking mental as Alex Jones | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On November 16 2024 09:02 Sermokala wrote: You can 100% blame the voters for reinforcing the things they complain about. I work with almost all trump voters and they're as reprehensible as you think they are. The things they need are healthcare, education, a minimum wage increase, and economic investments. Republicans offer none of these things and they decry any effort to give it to them. Decentralized manufacturing leveraging technical and community colleges with green energy is where manufacturing in America is now, and is flourishing. Rual areas have the space to plant renewables next to factories on cheap land next to arterial transport corridors. TCC's are cheap as hell to run and a state can easily afford to send everyone poor to them for free. Depressed wages will constantly reinforce the circle of poverty that forces anyone of value to leave their hometown to not live in the same poverty they grew up in. On top of everything you've got NIMBY's that would turn a suburban mom into a proponent of affordable housing. If you want people to live here after college they need somewhere to live that isn't another development house that's out of the price range of a factory worker. Springfield needed ten thousand hatian immigrants to keep existing and it turned into a national tantrum because they weren't white. We are going to need tens of thousands of springfields across the country over the coming decades to save rual communities. Redistributing population back into rural communities is what they need and they threw an all time tantrum over them not being white. They are literally that hateful, understanding where their hate comes from is meaningless helps neither you nor them. We know what they need, we provide them what they need, they hate you for giving them what they need, you still need to give them what they need. Bang on the fucking money. Also add the possibilities that remote working where applicable also enabling a more equal distribution of talent. Except guess who doesn’t like remote working? One of my best friends is a bit of a home bird and moved back to Fermanagh while keeping his decently paying tech gigs, not one of our more salubrious regions over here, and no tech sector whatsoever. His teenage brother is on the autistic spectrum, also somewhat idolises him so he’s quite a positive influence. His parents were struggling with that, one is increasingly suffering from ill-health. So good for those reasons, also a guy who earns an atypically high wage can splash it around over there. Or, alternatively he could just not have those quality of life and community connections and stay in Belfast while also lining a landlord’s pocket because some folks have irrational issues over working arrangements that have been shown to work. If you want to regenerate declining areas, it seems a complete no-brainer to both incentivise investment in physical industry where possible, as well as freeing up people who can work remotely, to do so. | ||
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Razyda
1048 Posts
On November 15 2024 19:10 BlackJack wrote: Cabinet picks by Trump are a joke. Matt Gaetz is a clown. An anti-vaxxer as your health guy. Fox News host for Secretary of Defense. Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name. It's basically a who's who of anyone willing to kiss his ass the hardest. Are they though? Trump sort of run on being antiestablishment, and this picks look like they address it. Uproar they caused sure make it look like optics are already there. "Russian asset" is already flying around (seems like Democrats still didnt realised that nobody cares about their accusation any more). On the other hand if Trump is way smarter than I give him credit for and they'll get blocked, he can always go "guys I tried and look Rinos and Democrat commies stopped me" "Matt Gaetz is a clown" - All I know about him is that he was involved in removal of a speaker, so no opinion here. "Fox News host for Secretary of Defense." - Only thing I heard was Cenk Uygur saying that he hit band member with an axe after missing target. Again no opinion. "Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name." - honestly no idea if thats true, but even if it is: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/530498-massie-gabbard-team-up-on-bill-to-repeal-the-patriot-act/ If she is against that and manage to do something about it, I'll take it. If Elon decided to hand me over half of his money, I wouldn't go "you doing it for clicks you d...k" I would take it and would even give him like myself. I also like her position on free speech, privacy, civil liberties and Assange " An anti-vaxxer as your health guy" - doesn't it make sense though? Guy who doesnt like the industry seems like much better choice to control this industry, than someone who cant wait to be part of the industry. I'll just link Prasad video as at this point his predictions are as good as any: In all honest though, given money in Pharma industry, I think RFK may be most contested. On November 16 2024 08:04 Magic Powers wrote: As long as people keep voting Republican, there's nothing Democrats can do. The race to the bottom is a vicious cycle that can only be escaped by more people voting Democrat until Republicans are forced to clean up their act. Then bigger improvements can happen for the working class and minorities. Because if Republicans are forced to stop being radical, then Democrats are allowed to splinter without fear of retribution by the radical right. I am pretty sure you do not realize how ironic it sounds in the light of recent election. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5186 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14159 Posts
There was this bizarre constant trend of trying to convince shitty people to not be shitty. White conservative women don't give a shit about their rights, women apparently aren't motivated as much as anyone thought about abortion. Black and Hispanic men really didn't want a women to lead them. You can hopecast all you want to inspire people to be better but you are not living in a utopia and will never live in one. Calling Republican politicians and their campaigns werid worked because it disarmed all the fear and hate that they relied on. Backing down from that and trying to find a middle ground with the people who support these werid people and their ideas is dumb. They're not people you can reason with, they're people who support a speaker of the house that doesn't think a report on if the upcoming ag is a pedophile or not is important.You don't remove pedophile supporters support by attacking them for their pedophile support you do it by stating that Gaetz got a werid case, why is he around? Nancy pelosi should be coming out on a tv show and say "yeah releasing the report people have been working on if gaetz is a pedophile or not is important what a weird thing to be against" because that's werid as hell. The Minnesota miracle was amazing because you had the DFL making republicans play defense on things like "is child hunger a real thing or no?". We're really past the day and age where campaigns are about convincing people of anything. That work happens in media between elections, the ramp up to election day is about vibes and messaging to get people to do the bare minimum to make their lives better. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5186 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On November 16 2024 09:23 Razyda wrote: Are they though? Trump sort of run on being antiestablishment, and this picks look like they address it. Uproar they caused sure make it look like optics are already there. "Russian asset" is already flying around (seems like Democrats still didnt realised that nobody cares about their accusation any more). On the other hand if Trump is way smarter than I give him credit for and they'll get blocked, he can always go "guys I tried and look Rinos and Democrat commies stopped me" "Matt Gaetz is a clown" - All I know about him is that he was involved in removal of a speaker, so no opinion here. "Fox News host for Secretary of Defense." - Only thing I heard was Cenk Uygur saying that he hit band member with an axe after missing target. Again no opinion. "Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name." - honestly no idea if thats true, but even if it is: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/530498-massie-gabbard-team-up-on-bill-to-repeal-the-patriot-act/ If she is against that and manage to do something about it, I'll take it. If Elon decided to hand me over half of his money, I wouldn't go "you doing it for clicks you d...k" I would take it and would even give him like myself. I also like her position on free speech, privacy, civil liberties and Assange " An anti-vaxxer as your health guy" - doesn't it make sense though? Guy who doesnt like the industry seems like much better choice to control this industry, than someone who cant wait to be part of the industry. I'll just link Prasad video as at this point his predictions are as good as any: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDusQiTlyXo&t=110s In all honest though, given money in Pharma industry, I think RFK may be most contested. I am pretty sure you do not realize how ironic it sounds in the light of recent election. I think basically all instances of ‘Russian asset’ can be swapped for ‘useful idiot’ and it’s equally damning while not blaming everything on Russia. Frankly I’m sick of just offloading various political problems to Russia. Of course they do actively try to fuck with things, it’s very, very well-documented. Equally they tug on grievances that already exist, they’re malicious actors but they’re not omnipotent RFK’s problem is he’s an idiot who identifies legitimate problems. You have two options here. 1) Advocate for further healthcare reform, and attempt to structurally sever, or reduce the clear bad incentives that a for profit healthcare system, insurance and Big Pharma clearly elicit. 2) Defang the government regulator. Which does RFK bang on about? Being anti-establishment isn’t innately positive or negative. What are you opposing, why and what are your proposed solutions? If you’ve a good critique, and a good potential solution, absolutely it’s positive. Matt Gaetz has a whole Wikipedia section on his bio entitled Child sex trafficking investigation, other legal issues and controversies which I would recommend you have a look at. It Matt Gaetz had that baggage, but was the most brilliant politician of his generation, it’s still a problem. He is most certifiably not that. There’s so many folks with equivalent qualifications for that role with none of those obvious problems swirling around. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On November 16 2024 09:42 Uldridge wrote: I don't believe you. I think it's perfectly possible to not engage in a similar matter and still come out the victor. I want to get to a path where it's evident to vote for the sane option instead of making it a toss up every single time because you're just doing the exact same thing, except under a different banner. What are your prescriptions? I don’t think your aspiration is wrong at all, but I think you have a bit of a blind spot on this where consistent trends tend to point in things going the absolute opposite direction. I don’t personally have many great ideas, good ideas or even mediocre ones on how to reverse current trends, hence I lack a certain faith in its possibility. Or if not that it’s fucking hard and requires threading the needle as it were | ||
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Sermokala
United States14159 Posts
On November 16 2024 09:42 Uldridge wrote: I don't believe you. I think it's perfectly possible to not engage in a similar matter and still come out the victor. I want to get to a path where it's evident to vote for the sane option instead of making it a toss up every single time because you're just doing the exact same thing, except under a different banner. This is what I mean by hopecasting. Being the sane option and being honest with people is a losing election strategy. Trump is going to be worse on gaza than Harris, no one gives a shit both sides bad. Tarrifs cause inflation and invite retalitory tariffs, no one gives a shit make china pays them somehow. Trump will have added double the national debt that Biden did, no one gives a shit republicans are the fiscally conservative ones don't cha know. Where are all of these immigrants you're rounding up going to go, how will you pay for rounding them up, how much damage will this cause the economy, fuck them they're brown No one gives a shit. RFK's proposed reforms to our Health systems will require a generational effort and cost tons of cash, yet DOGE will cut 75% of federal employees, No one gives a shit. If you lose the election nothing you want matters. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18372 Posts
On November 16 2024 19:37 BlackJack wrote: When Dems finish blaming the election loss on racism and sexism maybe they will get around to looking in the mirror https://youtu.be/BtCK-dMb-F8?si=o7sxHhpzqJCARQVG I don't get criticising the far left on this one. The far left was given jack squat. They generally held their nose and voted Harris anyway. Some didn't, but that isn't what cost the Dems the elections. It was their brain-dead shift to the center (right). Somehow aligning with Dick Cheney was seen as the smarter move than aligning with Bernie Sanders. This didn't crush enthusiasm on the far left (I mean, they were already thoroughly unenthused), it crushed enthusiasm on the center left. The working class voted for Trump, because they stupidly believed he is the "anti-establishment" vote. The center left stayed home because they were disillusioned. The result was a landslide victory for Trump. And yes, social progressive policy is probably not very popular. But it was dangling at the bottom of what people cared about in the election. It's media outlets that appear to care about it most, probably because it gets twits like you all riled up to repeat it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
Not always, absolutely, sometimes it’s folks of import but the ‘war on woke’ often focuses on amplifying absolutely fringe voices with 15 Twitter followers, or fringe academic papers nobody has cited and making out they’re all that representative or influential. It’s called the ‘culture war’ for a reason, not the ‘Harris campaign war’. Wider trends no matter how niche get attached and associated with the mainstream Democratic Party. Sometimes the party is culpable there as well I’ll concede that, sure. But folks who make 4 hour long videos about Star Wars being too woke and folks who enjoy such content will tend to blame the Dems by association, even if it’s nout to do with the actual party. I don’t personally think sexism, xenophobia and racism won the day in the election. But, realistically how many folks were motivated thus this election versus hardcore wokesters who don’t want to define what a woman is or whatever? I mean being realistic | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 16 2024 20:13 Acrofales wrote: I don't get criticising the far left on this one. The far left was given jack squat. They generally held their nose and voted Harris anyway. Some didn't, but that isn't what cost the Dems the elections. It was their brain-dead shift to the center (right). Somehow aligning with Dick Cheney was seen as the smarter move than aligning with Bernie Sanders. This didn't crush enthusiasm on the far left (I mean, they were already thoroughly unenthused), it crushed enthusiasm on the center left. The working class voted for Trump, because they stupidly believed he is the "anti-establishment" vote. The center left stayed home because they were disillusioned. The result was a landslide victory for Trump. And yes, social progressive policy is probably not very popular. But it was dangling at the bottom of what people cared about in the election. It's media outlets that appear to care about it most, probably because it gets twits like you all riled up to repeat it. It’s remarkable that anyone would think anything Dick Cheney does in 2024 is relevant to anything. Your theory is ridiculous. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On November 16 2024 21:37 BlackJack wrote: It’s remarkable that anyone would think anything Dick Cheney does in 2024 is relevant to anything. Your theory is ridiculous. Why would it not be relevant? What Dick Cheney has to say about anything isn’t going to make many waves, but going ‘hey guys look, Dick Cheney endorsed our ticket’ is. I mean you were in the thread, that perception clearly annoyed quite a few in here. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46221 Posts
On November 16 2024 19:37 BlackJack wrote: When Dems finish blaming the election loss on racism and sexism maybe they will get around to looking in the mirror I can't think of a single person in this thread who blames the election loss on racism and sexism, nor can I think of a single person in this thread who things the Democrats are completely blameless in Harris's loss to Trump. Or are you just criticizing the people in Bill Maher's video? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 16 2024 21:42 WombaT wrote: Why would it not be relevant? What Dick Cheney has to say about anything isn’t going to make many waves, but going ‘hey guys look, Dick Cheney endorsed our ticket’ is. I mean you were in the thread, that perception clearly annoyed quite a few in here. Kamala not rejecting Dick Cheney’s endorsement is not going to move the needle for anyone | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 16 2024 21:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I can't think of a single person in this thread who blames the election loss on racism and sexism, nor can I think of a single person in this thread who things the Democrats are completely blameless in Harris's loss to Trump. Or are you just criticizing the people in Bill Maher's video? Perhaps you were too stunned on election night but there were many posts blaming the election result on Kamala not being a white man | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22473 Posts
On November 16 2024 21:54 BlackJack wrote: Kamala not rejecting Dick Cheney’s endorsement is not going to move the needle for anyone Kamala rejecting Dick Cheney's endorsement is not going to move the needle for anyone. Gee, maybe Cheney didn't matter at all | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 16 2024 22:00 Gorsameth wrote: Kamala rejecting Dick Cheney's endorsement is not going to move the needle for anyone. Gee, maybe Cheney didn't matter at all That’s what I said | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46221 Posts
On November 16 2024 21:55 BlackJack wrote: Perhaps you were too stunned on election night but there were many posts blaming the election result on Kamala not being a white man Would you mind finding some posts to support your claim? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I honestly don't recall "many posts blaming the election result on Kamala not being a white man". | ||
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