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Husyelt
United States837 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany1095 Posts
On November 10 2024 01:27 oBlade wrote: Lol EC abolitionists still abounding. The system is fair because any candidate who were to win the electoral vote but lose the popular vote, wins. Not only Republicans who lose the electoral vote but win the popular vote. You flip a mere 200k votes in the Rust Belt and Kamala would be walking from the Eisenhower Building to the White House in a couple months despite a popular shutout. "It's shit for everyone so it's fair enough" | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1095 Posts
On November 11 2024 10:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ... In the real world I've noticed zero difference in how women are treated since he got elected. ... I will grand you this: Trump's crazy antics emboldened crazy trolls. Yep. It's all Internet bullshit and I wish more people would recognize that social media is a can of brainworms consumed eagerly because of the addictive nature. My totally bonkers Idea is to make social media pay minimum wage to it's users. They are doing the work - plattforms reap the profits. Users post, they curate the content for the algorithm (likes and such), they comment, they part-take and co-finance contentcreators. Imagine social media to be a big newspaper that gets produced by all of it's users... it should be fair to compensate everyone for their time put in.. at least at the minimum hourly rate. Also with everybody technically being an employee.. suddenly the plattforms are responsible for their actions.. so moderation through liability would be self enforcing. yet everybody would be free to setup their own website - which means that "freedom of speech" isn't impaired. Edit: On topic: New trends: - women suddenly posting of how comments they receive get trumpy trolly, news agregators jump on the trend and inflate the issue - people gleefully hoping for trump to do all he claimed to do to hurt his voters ("my undocumented XY gets deported tomorrow, was that a consequence of Trump?) Trump has build 0,25% of the boardwall he PROMISED to build. His tariffs hurt consumers and jobs, but most of them didn't even came through all he wanted to do was bully world leaders. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22009 Posts
On November 11 2024 09:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: And ofc the best person to stop coddling the super rich is a rich mega narcissist who wishes he was even richer and wants nothing more then to be coddled and ofc the party to do this is the party whos only real piece of legislation in their last term in office was a tax cut for the rich over the backs of everyone else. Really cool interview with Bernie Sanders. End welfare for the rich. So no more free sports stadiums. Ending welfare for the rich lowers government expenses and they can take that savings and use it to eliminate income tax for anyone who does not own or have a mortgage on a house. If it is possible to eliminate income tax altogether... for everyone ... do it. If the government books do not balance off of that then introduce consumption based taxes. Introduce a Good And Services Tax similar to what Canada has so that people buying Porsches, Maseratis and $500 Steak Dinners at Palace Restaurants pay a lot extra for their extravagances. Make the tax high ... not 5% like Canada has. Obviously, this kind of tax does not apply to grocery store food or rent or public transit expenses. "Stop Coddling The Super Rich", Warren Buffett, August 2011. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1095 Posts
![[image loading]](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/01/PSDT_01.10.20_economic-inequality_1-4.png) Gigantic taxes on the fewer people in the wealth-aristorcracy would be fair, because they now earn and own what was earned and owned by millions in the middle class before. This also wouldn't be "Socialism". We need capitalism to have innovation and efficiancy.. and if it works as intended, people suddenly can work less and live of their investments. But it has worked so well, that basicly we enabled a "too big to fail" culture. Wealth of the Wealthy is only go up they can bet on everything at once and win.. and if they lose... the middle class suffers a lot harder (Lehman/sub prime mortage..) in perspective and loosing tens of million is shitty.. but if you have hundreds left.. your life does not change at all. | ||
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Slydie
1928 Posts
On November 11 2024 20:07 KT_Elwood wrote: Bernie shoudl have this printed out to hold into the cameras: Gigantic taxes on the fewer people in the wealth-aristorcracy would be fair, because they now earn and own what was earned and owned by millions in the middle class before on lower taxes. Right, but there is a catch: the mega rich are not obliged to live in the US, and if the taxes are too high, there are plenty of countries which would welcome them with open arms. States also compete amongst themselves. In Switzerland, there are now own villages full of rich Norwegians fleeing Norwegian taxes, especially the one on owning shares and property. I would also like to see how much money there really is to get from taxing the rich only. If there was an easy solution to this, someone would have come up with it. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1095 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17165 Posts
On November 11 2024 18:41 Gorsameth wrote: And ofc the best person to stop coddling the super rich is a rich mega narcissist who wishes he was even richer and wants nothing more then to be coddled and ofc the party to do this is the party whos only real piece of legislation in their last term in office was a tax cut for the rich over the backs of everyone else. Dude, if i were elected Prez and implemented this plan I'd be shot faster than JFK. A plan anything close to this will never happen. Once again, Sanders nails the diagnosis. I fundamentally disagree with his treatment protocol for the symptoms America presents. There are a couple of big issues in the USA that Sanders never tackles. Hardly any one is having families with 3+ babies any longer. Another big issue facing the average American male is that very few have a life mission. There are far too many lost souls. A lot of guys do not even think it is important to have a life mission. On November 11 2024 20:07 KT_Elwood wrote: This also wouldn't be "Socialism". I agree. According to Libertarian theorists every person relies upon the state to enforce the contracts of which they are a part. A very poor person only has 5 or so contracts the state must enforce. A billionaire relies upon the state for the enforcement of 10s of thousands of contracts. The state is doing a lot of work for that billionaire compared to the poor person living in a small apartment. Banks rely upon government enforcement far more than any poor person. If Nintendo wants to get the RCMP to chase around average Canadians like Gary Bowser... they must pay far more in taxes by a % of their income than Gary Bowser himself. Even from the "small government" right wing Libertarian perspective the elite rich should pay for far more in taxes. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1095 Posts
Basicly multiple judges in germany only work for one lawfirm that does nothing but write c&d letters with 1000€ fines to people idiotic enough to still use bit torrent (which shares your Ip.. which your ISP can turn into a name and an adress, and the judge has to agree..every..single..case. The ruling allowing this was the fact that with bit-torrent..every peer also does share bits of copyrighted material and in this way becomes guilty of copyright infringement. Looking at "Money generators" for shareholders, usually businesses, they profit so much from being kept safe by the police, being able to use roads.. having access to people who can fucking read.. because they were taught in schools. So +1 for the Liberatarian logic here. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17165 Posts
On November 11 2024 20:56 KT_Elwood wrote: So +1 for the Liberatarian logic here. When i was in university i was getting kicked out of Libertarian and Objectivist Clubs for talking like i did in that post.  On November 11 2024 20:18 Slydie wrote: Right, but there is a catch: the mega rich are not obliged to live in the US, and if the taxes are too high, there are plenty of countries which would welcome them with open arms. States also compete amongst themselves. In Switzerland, there are now own villages full of rich Norwegians fleeing Norwegian taxes, especially the one on owning shares and property. Consumption based taxes and a per-contract-enforced levy are the response to this. The Canadian GST is a stroke of brilliance. It is a crying shame the Canadian GST is not 20%. The general public hated the guy who introduced the GST and he had to resign 2 years later. IMO, it was the greatest move of his 9 year tenure as PM. If the elite rich family wants to engage in economic activity in your country ... they must pay for the government services they use. As far as a 20% consumption tax goes. You'd pay 20% on your McDonalds food and 0% on the fish, chicken, fruits and vegetables you buy at the grocery store. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On November 11 2024 20:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Harris campaign outspent the Trump campaign 5 to 1. Now, Trump is offering to pay the creditors of the Harris campaign because it is $20M in the red. You would figure all of the rich celebrities endorsing Harris would offer $0.5M each and cover it. Oh well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQuUmIkvabw Dude, if i were elected Prez and implemented this plan I'd be shot faster than JFK. A plan anything close to this will never happen. Once again, Sanders nails the diagnosis. I fundamentally disagree with his treatment protocol for the symptoms America presents. There are a couple of big issues in the USA that Sanders never tackles. Hardly any one is having families with 3+ babies any longer. Another big issue facing the average American male is that very few have a life mission. There are far too many lost souls. A lot of guys do not even think it is important to have a life mission. I agree. According to Libertarian theorists every person relies upon the state to enforce the contracts of which they are a part. A very poor person only has 5 or so contracts the state must enforce. A billionaire relies upon the state for the enforcement of 10s of thousands of contracts. The state is doing a lot of work for that billionaire compared to the poor person living in a small apartment. Banks rely upon government enforcement far more than any poor person. If Nintendo wants to get the RCMP to chase around average Canadians like Gary Bowser... they must pay far more in taxes by a % of their income than Gary Bowser himself. Even from the "small government" right wing Libertarian perspective the elite rich should pay for far more in taxes. 5 to 1 is a lie. They outspent by about 50%, that's 1.5 to 1. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17165 Posts
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/ It is interesting that the title link says 3:1 but the headline reads 5:1. So, originally, it was only 3:1. The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively. Biden//Harris raised a lot more than Trump and ended in debt. Trump says they have plenty of money left over and is offering to pay the $20M debt. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On November 11 2024 21:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think this is where they got that #. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/ It is interesting that the title link says 3:1 but the headline reads 5:1. So, originally, it was only 3:1. Biden//Harris raised a lot more than Trump and ended in debt. Trump says they have plenty of money left over and is offering to pay the $20M debt. Maybe they had to spend more on Harris because her nomination was a last minute decision? Have you considered that possibility? Also, Forbes is not a credible source of information. You need to always verify with a credible source like Reuters, AP, etc. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22009 Posts
Trump doesn't even pay the lawyers working to keep him out of prison, but sure he is going to pay for his political opponents... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17165 Posts
On November 11 2024 21:55 Magic Powers wrote: Also, Forbes is not a credible source of information. You need to always verify with a credible source like Reuters, AP, etc. I think Alison Durkee's track record indicates we can trust her #s. AP has changed stealth edited their stuff on occasion. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11691 Posts
On November 11 2024 22:05 Gorsameth wrote: Imagine thinking Trump would actually pay Harris's campaign bills. No wonder you think Trump will be good for the US when your this gullible. Trump doesn't even pay the lawyers working to keep him out of prison, but sure he is going to pay for his political opponents... Exactly my thoughts. Maybe Trump will get someone else to pay for the bills and siphon a bunch off on the way, but there is no way he is going to pay himself, or from a warchest that he has access too. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45182 Posts
On November 11 2024 22:08 Simberto wrote: Exactly my thoughts. Maybe Trump will get someone else to pay for the bills and siphon a bunch off on the way, but there is no way he is going to pay himself, or from a warchest that he has access too. My guess is that there are some funds that he's legally not allowed to take from, that he double-checked to reeeeeally make sure that he can't pocket that money, and then he figured that maybe he'll allocate that money to other places, such as Harris's campaign bills (if that actually happens). | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17165 Posts
On November 11 2024 22:05 Gorsameth wrote: Imagine thinking Trump would actually pay Harris's campaign bills. No wonder you think Trump will be good for the US when your this gullible. Gullible is expecting honesty from world leaders. World Leaders lie all the time. Many years ago Justin Trudeau promised Canada 2 billion trees to suck up megatonnes of carbon. Almost none have been planted. I think the USA will do better under Trump than it woulda done under Harris and I am optimistic for the future. Many are figuring out how to leave the USA though. I'd love it if a bunch of software engineers left. More open market for me. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-trumps-win-many-despondent-americans-research-moving-abroad-2024-11-08/ "move to Canada" was a big one. Moving to Canada was a pretty solid option until about 2015. I'd argue living in Canada was better than living the in USA from 1970 to 2010. Basically, the start of the Vietnam draft is when Canada>USA. This is not the case today though.. there is no draft. Any how, I do not think we are going to see many Americans moving to Canada. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45182 Posts
On November 11 2024 22:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Gullible is expecting honesty from world leaders. World Leaders lie all the time. Many years ago Justin Trudeau promised Canada 2 billion trees to suck up megatonnes of carbon. Almost none have been planted. I think the USA will do better under Trump than it woulda done under Harris and I am optimistic for the future. Many are figuring out how to leave the USA though. I'd love it if a bunch of software engineers left. More open market for me. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-trumps-win-many-despondent-americans-research-moving-abroad-2024-11-08/ "move to Canada" was a big one. Moving to Canada was a pretty solid option until about 2015. I'd argue living in Canada was better than living the in USA from 1970 to 2010. Basically, the start of the Vietnam draft is when Canada>USA. This is not the case today though.. there is no draft. Any how, I do not think we are going to see many Americans moving to Canada. Why? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17165 Posts
https://tl.net/forum/general/480705-canadian-politics-mega-thread?page=97#1936 Why Canada Declined + Show Spoiler + Trudeau has destroyed Canada's energy sector. Under Trudeau and the Ontario liberals Hydro//electricity became super expensive and this is crippling the Canadian economy. In 2007 you could rent an apartment and they did not bother to measure your electricity consumption. It was not worth the expense because electricity was so dirt cheap. These days electricity is $200/month for a tiny apartment. The average, middle-class working Canadian is getting absolutely crushed. | ||
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