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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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brian
United States9639 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10862 Posts
On December 15 2022 22:56 JimmiC wrote: I was also just thinking if anyone knows how accurate the home PCR tests are for the new variants? Anecdotally, I was sick it felt a ton like when I had Covid (albeit way shorter) and had negative tests and I also know two people that had 3 negatives at home but when they were lab tested it came back as Covid. I tried to look it up but I was only finding older info on how accurate they used to be. I had Corona the second time in early November, my test was immediatly positive and it felt pretty similar to the first time, just a bit shorter. Full recovery still took about a month (was off work for 6 work days). But there is also a "normal" flu raging around, in general tons of people are sick atm. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On December 15 2022 22:06 JimmiC wrote: The big difference is US conservative fits neatly in with the Republican party. GH does not fit with the Democratic party, they do not fit him and he does not fit them. I see it as you can use an elected official to draw conclusions based on the people who elected them. The people who live in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district can be labeled as atrocious piles of scum without any issue. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45367 Posts
On December 16 2022 08:18 StasisField wrote: Well, I think I speak for everyone here when I say I did not expect Trump's big announcement to be a series of NFTs. I figured if he was going to get in on the NFT scam it would have been months ago but he decided to dive in after the market is basically dead lol. They'll probably all still sell since his base buys anything he sells but still, this is hilarious I certainly suspect that if any group of people would be dumb enough to buy cartoon pictures of Trump for $99 instead of just saving/downloading them from Trump's website for free, it would be Trump supporters. I feel like Trump goes out of his way to consistently out-stupid himself, every few weeks or so. Like, I know that most of us still think that Trump is a shoo-in to win the Republican primary, and that the risk of going against him is too high for someone like DeSantis, but surely this time he's jumped the shark with his obvious grift, right? Right? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 16 2022 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I certainly suspect that if any group of people would be dumb enough to buy cartoon pictures of Trump for $99 instead of just saving/downloading them from Trump's website for free, it would be Trump supporters. I feel like Trump goes out of his way to consistently out-stupid himself, every few weeks or so. Like, I know that most of us still think that Trump is a shoo-in to win the Republican primary, and that the risk of going against him is too high for someone like DeSantis, but surely this time he's jumped the shark with his obvious grift, right? Right? Sounds kind of like you take issue with NFTs in general | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45367 Posts
On December 16 2022 10:37 BlackJack wrote: Sounds kind of like you take issue with NFTs in general I do, although I'm not surprised that Trump is moving in to the NFT space, given that it fits his persona/portfolio pretty well. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18240 Posts
On December 16 2022 12:24 JimmiC wrote: From a collectible point of veiw it seems unlikely that he will be more popular than he is now. Im not confident these appreciate over time. That doesn't matter to Trump. That is also generally true for all NFTs, which were a brief fad until people realized that it's way more fun to collect physical objects than it is to collect pixels. | ||
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Slydie
1932 Posts
On December 16 2022 18:27 Acrofales wrote: That doesn't matter to Trump. That is also generally true for all NFTs, which were a brief fad until people realized that it's way more fun to collect physical objects than it is to collect pixels. This video is very nice, digging into the legal aspects of NFTs. I especially noted the problems of reselling them, copyright, questions if the original minter can change the product after it is resold etc. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On December 16 2022 18:27 Acrofales wrote: way more fun to collect physical objects than it is to collect pixels. References to pixels. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18240 Posts
Sorta. The way I see NFTs are the same way you can see signatures etchings or certified prints. You aren't collecting the signature or the certificate. Those are just there to prove the copy that YOU have is special. Anybody can print a copy of a Banksy, but only Banksy can certify 500 of them and promise never to certify more than 500. Similarly, you can go to the Rembrandt House in Amsterdam and get an authentic Rembrandt. They have some of his etchings and they will make a print for you as you wait. The process is functionally identical to the way Rembrandt himself did it hundreds of years ago. The only difference is the signature. A signed print costs 1000s of euros. A new copy costs a few dozen. Same principle applies to NFTs. The NFT certify that you own one of N "official" copies of some collection of bits. Anybody can make a copy of those bits, but only you have the token of authenticity. | ||
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Slydie
1932 Posts
On December 16 2022 19:01 Acrofales wrote: Sorta. The way I see NFTs are the same way you can see signatures etchings or certified prints. You aren't collecting the signature or the certificate. Those are just there to prove the copy that YOU have is special. Anybody can print a copy of a Banksy, but only Banksy can certify 500 of them and promise never to certify more than 500. Similarly, you can go to the Rembrandt House in Amsterdam and get an authentic Rembrandt. They have some of his etchings and they will make a print for you as you wait. The process is functionally identical to the way Rembrandt himself did it hundreds of years ago. The only difference is the signature. A signed print costs 1000s of euros. A new copy costs a few dozen. Same principle applies to NFTs. The NFT certify that you own one of N "official" copies of some collection of bits. Anybody can make a copy of those bits, but only you have the token of authenticity. Did you watch the video I linked? It shows that you are actually wrong. There are questions like: 1: What do you actually own? It tends to be a hyperlink, which you can't actually own. 2: If you are a secondary buyer, does the original minter even have an obligation to you about your digital product? 3: What if the product or platform is changed? etc. Physical and digital products can't be compared. No, the only difference is not the "signature", it is that you own the actual canvas the old master painted on. Even extremely well done painted copies are only worth a fraction of the originals. For NFTs, you have a hard time even defining what the "original" piece of art is, and there is no physical object to examine for authenticity. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22145 Posts
On December 16 2022 19:01 Acrofales wrote: But you don't own the copy.Sorta. The way I see NFTs are the same way you can see signatures etchings or certified prints. You aren't collecting the signature or the certificate. Those are just there to prove the copy that YOU have is special. Anybody can print a copy of a Banksy, but only Banksy can certify 500 of them and promise never to certify more than 500. Similarly, you can go to the Rembrandt House in Amsterdam and get an authentic Rembrandt. They have some of his etchings and they will make a print for you as you wait. The process is functionally identical to the way Rembrandt himself did it hundreds of years ago. The only difference is the signature. A signed print costs 1000s of euros. A new copy costs a few dozen. Same principle applies to NFTs. The NFT certify that you own one of N "official" copies of some collection of bits. Anybody can make a copy of those bits, but only you have the token of authenticity. That's the crux. You buy a link that may or may not lead to a thing you think you bought. Your literally buying a hyperlink, with no control over what is on the other side of that link, no ownership over what is on the other side, and even no guarantee that the link even works at all. Its nothing like buying an official print. Its like buying the certification paper for an official print without the print and no mention of what it is you didn't buy on the certification paper. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
No. When it comes to physical objects the original Rembrandt and reproduction are two distinct and different objects. The print doesnt even look similiar when You look close enough. Prints are flat, made of different material, they smell different. Paintings and printed reproduction of them behave different when You look at them from afar and from an angle. When it comes to digital images copying makes exact copy of an object. It is identical, it behaves the same way. Hence the only thing You actually buying is the reference. If I exploit some kind of bug and modify the ledger to point at the copy of exact same image noone will notice. If You exchange original Rembrandt for its printed copy everyone will notice instantly. But my original argument is what Gorsameth pointed out, You dont actually have power over what lies at the end of the link. It can be exhanged by person in control of it for something else. | ||
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