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On December 16 2022 19:15 Silvanel wrote:
@Acrofales
No. When it comes to physical objects the original Rembrandt and reproduction are two distinct and different objects. The print doesnt even look similiar when You look close enough. Prints are flat, made of different material, they smell different. Paintings and printed reproduction of them behave different when You look at them from afar and from an angle.
When it comes to digital images copying makes exact copy of an object. It is identical, it behaves the same way. Hence the only thing You actually buying is the reference.
If I exploit some kind of bug and modify the ledger to point at the copy of exact same image noone will notice. If You exchange original Rembrandt for its printed copy everyone will notice instantly.
But my original argument is what Gorsameth pointed out, You dont actually have power over what lies at the end of the link. It can be exhanged by person in control of it for something else.
I agree the hyperlink issue is different. I didn't know that, and it seems rather problematic, but not really more problematic than many collections of actual physical items. Most people who own large collections of paintings don't actually have them. They have a key to a safe in a bank vault, where their paintings are. Or the paintings are "on loan" to a gallery. As long as the bank or gallery are trustworthy and take good care that the paintings remain there and the environmental conditions are favorable for their longevity this isn't an issue.
I guess the really big difference is that if you decide you don't trust the bank anymore, you have the option of testing that, taking your key and going to the vault, and moving them to a different vault. I'm guessing that you can't do that with an NFT, and that really is an issue. Especially given how many of these are actual scams...
Just a clarification regarding Rembrandt: I wasn't talking about paintings, but about etchings. A print of an etching today is indistinguishable from one made a few hundred years ago.. except of course by the ag of the paper and ink (which does factor into the price, of course)
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Told you guys Trump had no chance in 2024. How embarrassing for the failed former president to be reduced down to selling digital trading cards of his super strength and intellect. Maybe he can get an exclusive interview on the Pillow program next week!
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Well, the Trump NFTs sold out and netted him 4.5m USD. Confirming that there are indeed 45,000 idiots (upper bound, I'm sure there were also people who doubled, tripled or otherwise multipled down on being an idiot).
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On December 17 2022 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Well, the Trump NFTs sold out and netted him 4.5m USD. Confirming that there are indeed 45,000 idiots (upper bound, I'm sure there were also people who doubled, tripled or otherwise multipled down on being an idiot).
There is no God.
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How public is the information of who bought ("donated") those cards and its origin of funds vs regular campaign donations?
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yeah for now I assume its "sold out". Until shown otherwise I will assume he bought most of them himself, or laundered some money, to create a sense of demand and prestige that doesn't actually exist.
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On December 17 2022 11:36 Husyelt wrote:
Told you guys Trump had no chance in 2024. How embarrassing for the failed former president to be reduced down to selling digital trading cards of his super strength and intellect. Maybe he can get an exclusive interview on the Pillow program next week!
The primaries are in 2024, he's the only declared candidate, there is another relevant election shortly which is the issue of who will be RNC chair. What should he be doing in your opinion that you would be on board with?
Do you react with such secondhand embarrassment every time the press updates us with the leader of the free world again stopping for ice cream? My guess is not and this is just a psychological need for Trump to be doing things so you can reflexively disagree with them? They're selling NFCs that we don't want, but other people apparently think are cool and wanted to buy/contribute. Like I'm not a fan of Call of Duty but I don't go out of my way to care about the life choices of the people who make and release a new one.
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On December 17 2022 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Well, the Trump NFTs sold out and netted him 4.5m USD. Confirming that there are indeed 45,000 idiots (upper bound, I'm sure there were also people who doubled, tripled or otherwise multipled down on being an idiot).
I have a coworker who was talking about buying one to piss off his sister. So there are people who probably bought one as a gag. But still...fucking hell.
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On December 17 2022 23:52 JimmiC wrote:
I'm not at all surprised they sold out. His fanboys and girls are always willing to send him money, look how much he raised in small donations. I do question if these will be worth anything in 20 years, not only because the tech is questionable but because I do think his movement will out live him. I'm not even sure it will last much past the election cycle. I think basically everyone who wants one will get one so their will not be a big demand. And with it being easy money for him I'm guessing he is going to keep releasing more and more.
Happy cakeday ZC2
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I just don't see the point of it and why anyone would want this. It does nothing for them or him (besides grifting) in the 2024 election. He'll probably grift all the way up until the last second and withdraw, taking all of that money. Then the narrative will shift to something like "the democrats and deep state were plotting against me, keeping me from securing a second term!" Or something as ridiculous.
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On December 17 2022 21:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2022 11:36 Husyelt wrote:
Told you guys Trump had no chance in 2024. How embarrassing for the failed former president to be reduced down to selling digital trading cards of his super strength and intellect. Maybe he can get an exclusive interview on the Pillow program next week! The primaries are in 2024, he's the only declared candidate, there is another relevant election shortly which is the issue of who will be RNC chair. What should he be doing in your opinion that you would be on board with? Do you react with such secondhand embarrassment every time the press updates us with the leader of the free world again stopping for ice cream? My guess is not and this is just a psychological need for Trump to be doing things so you can reflexively disagree with them? They're selling NFCs that we don't want, but other people apparently think are cool and wanted to buy/contribute. Like I'm not a fan of Call of Duty but I don't go out of my way to care about the life choices of the people who make and release a new one.
Fucking off out of public life, in an ideal world would definitely be something I’m on board with of ways the Donald could be spending his time
Happy cakeday Zero!
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On December 17 2022 21:50 Gorsameth wrote:
yeah for now I assume its "sold out". Until shown otherwise I will assume he bought most of them himself, or laundered some money, to create a sense of demand and prestige that doesn't actually exist.
Oh so like every other NFT project then? 
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On December 17 2022 21:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2022 11:36 Husyelt wrote:
Told you guys Trump had no chance in 2024. How embarrassing for the failed former president to be reduced down to selling digital trading cards of his super strength and intellect. Maybe he can get an exclusive interview on the Pillow program next week! The primaries are in 2024, he's the only declared candidate, there is another relevant election shortly which is the issue of who will be RNC chair. What should he be doing in your opinion that you would be on board with? Do you react with such secondhand embarrassment every time the press updates us with the leader of the free world again stopping for ice cream? My guess is not and this is just a psychological need for Trump to be doing things so you can reflexively disagree with them? They're selling NFCs that we don't want, but other people apparently think are cool and wanted to buy/contribute. Like I'm not a fan of Call of Duty but I don't go out of my way to care about the life choices of the people who make and release a new one.
Yeah, I don't see the big deal. I own some game bundles that were sold for charitable causes and I knew at the time I'll probably never get around to playing anything in them.
I don't think this is much different, it has less to do with the pixels or hyperlinks and more to do with there being a lot of people that think Trump fighting lizard people or whatever is worth contributing to.
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On December 17 2022 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Well, the Trump NFTs sold out and netted him 4.5m USD. Confirming that there are indeed 45,000 idiots (upper bound, I'm sure there were also people who doubled, tripled or otherwise multipled down on being an idiot).
He has played this game so many times, yet here we are, talking about it.
He is fading as a politician of influence, but his NFT adventure shurely got him into the media spotlight.
The only way to beat Trump is to actually ignore his antics.
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On December 18 2022 05:23 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2022 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Well, the Trump NFTs sold out and netted him 4.5m USD. Confirming that there are indeed 45,000 idiots (upper bound, I'm sure there were also people who doubled, tripled or otherwise multipled down on being an idiot). He has played this game so many times, yet here we are, talking about it. He is fading as a politician of influence, but his NFT adventure shurely got him into the media spotlight. The only way to beat Trump is to actually ignore his antics.
Or let his clearly faltering popularity in the party have him leech funding.
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On December 17 2022 21:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2022 11:36 Husyelt wrote:
Told you guys Trump had no chance in 2024. How embarrassing for the failed former president to be reduced down to selling digital trading cards of his super strength and intellect. Maybe he can get an exclusive interview on the Pillow program next week! The primaries are in 2024, he's the only declared candidate, there is another relevant election shortly which is the issue of who will be RNC chair. What should he be doing in your opinion that you would be on board with? Do you react with such secondhand embarrassment every time the press updates us with the leader of the free world again stopping for ice cream? My guess is not and this is just a psychological need for Trump to be doing things so you can reflexively disagree with them? They're selling NFCs that we don't want, but other people apparently think are cool and wanted to buy/contribute. Like I'm not a fan of Call of Duty but I don't go out of my way to care about the life choices of the people who make and release a new one.
Bad take to be honest. I don't post here that often, so its not reflexive, its vindication. Trump lost the moderates in 2020, its fucking over. Everyone in power knows it. They just hope he will be a kingmaker or pour in money for other people, which is not a good bet.
What should he be doing?
- Picking better candidates in the midterms.
- Not hoarding campaign money that was supposed to be spent during the midterms for others*
- Not announce his 2024 run weeks after the disastrous midterms. He hasn't left his house in a month. Low energy.
- Not hold dinner parties with white nationalists and anti-semites.
- Not steal classified documents and lie over and over to the various state departments.
I react with embarrassment when a former president of the United States does jaw droppingly dumb things, and still has some sway. But his time has passed, it's just that his ego won't let him ride out calmly on a loss.
He has a cult like following, and could sell just about anything for his die hard followers, selling NFT's partnering with Brawndo is great. Keep doing incredibly cringeworthy things where he loses even r/conservative.
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The student loan pause/forgiveness situation seems to be in a very odd state right now and the official statement leaves a lot of room for ambiguity:
The student loan payment pause is extended until the U.S. Department of Education is permitted to implement the debt relief program or the litigation is resolved. Payments will restart 60 days later. If the debt relief program has not been implemented and the litigation has not been resolved by June 30, 2023 — payments will resume 60 days after that. We will notify borrowers before payments restart.
I guess we're in a weird state of maybe forgiveness, maybe not, and maybe restart payments at some point, maybe not? Honestly not clear as to what happens here whether or not it survives the lawsuit.
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Speaking of... referrals of criminal charges. Should anything actually happen I'll be amazed.
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On December 20 2022 06:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Speaking of... referrals of criminal charges. Should anything actually happen I'll be amazed.
DOJ is in a tough spot. I think whatever they choose is going to be an important historical event that'll likely get blamed for a lot of problems in the future.
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