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JimmiC
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oBlade
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On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: Bad take to be honest. I don't post here that often, so its not reflexive, its vindication. It's not related to frequency of posting something on the internet, you know in your heart of hearts whether or not you you have an apparent Pavlovian reaction to anything Trump does, but I can't soul read you and even if I could, we can't guarantee honesty. On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: Trump lost the moderates in 2020, its fucking over. Everyone in power knows it. They just hope he will be a kingmaker or pour in money for other people, which is not a good bet. Trump added 11 million to his popular vote total from 2016. It's the 2nd most in history. I wouldn't underestimate him, but you seem to be in opposition so go ahead and underestimate him please. "Everyone in power" is looking solely after their own interests who let the neocon and big government establishment cabal get everything it wants. The idea that people prefer the Mitch McConnells of the world joining together with the Pelosis of the world is almost incomprehensible to me from a generation that gave us OWS and elected Obama. On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: What should he be doing? - Picking better candidates in the midterms. I agree it's better to win elections with good candidates. However, PA voters went for a literal blob who can't form a sentence and is the puppet of his spouse over a thoracic surgeon. Like he said, he would like to have all the credit for successes and none of the blame of failures, in reality he'll get blamed for all the failures and all the successes will be just accidents. There is a sense of interference in local races that had more chances of winning with other candidates; however, what the shallow analysis misses on this part is the power struggle of factions within the party itself and that if the rank and file are more interested in just perpetuating bipartisan establishment spending and waste with the other party, rather than pivoting to a new platform and actually fighting for it, they are not very useful allies for a President Trump as borne out by the first 4 years. The endorsements and support for Oz and Walker for example are pure politics at work. They helped him and he helped them in return. Those kinds of allies are valuable. US politics isn't a video game, there's more going on than red team blue team. On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: - Not hoarding campaign money that was supposed to be spent during the midterms for others* You said "that was supposed to be spent" in the passive voice like money has a conscious or instinctual ability to achieve its goal of being spent. Trump's side has been raising money continuously for like 6-7 years via email drives, if you're saying they raised money and it wasn't spent when YOU would spent it, I don't know where the criteria for "supposed to" comes from, presumably they can spend the money campaigning as they see fit. I had read that Mitch was the one who pulled money out from key races like Blake Masters? But I haven't looked too deep into it in any case. On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: - Not announce his 2024 run weeks after the disastrous midterms. He hasn't left his house in a month. Low energy. Should he have announced before? The point was to reduce any backlash from him making the midterms about his own controversial self when the midterm races could succeed by campaigning on the merits against the current administration's failures. If you look objectively outside of cries of "dead GOP," the immediate cause of the suspected underperformance was the Dobbs decision. With the election over there's nothing he interrupts by announcing his candidacy, and making his plan clear reduces confusion in many ways. On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: - Not hold dinner parties with white nationalists and anti-semites. You must be talking about his dinner with Kanye West, a black man, Nick Fuentes, a Hispanic man, and Milo an infamous self-avowed gay Jew. It's quite a diverse set of white nationalists. On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: - Not steal classified documents and lie over and over to the various state departments. There's only one Department of State but he's obviously not "stealing" anything when he's out of office in this 4 year vacation, is he? This isn't a good answer. I almost put a disclaimer in my question to say "Please list actual positive things he can do, not just things he shouldn't do." But I didn't and got this list as a result. This is why I asked you what he should do, it's more scientific, after he does or doesn't do the thing you said, we could see if you really approved of it. So far he has announced platforms for protecting free speech and immigration reform. Those seem relevant to current issues, that's what a presidential candidate should do? On December 18 2022 06:48 Husyelt wrote: I react with embarrassment when a former president of the United States does jaw droppingly dumb things, and still has some sway. But his time has passed, it's just that his ego won't let him ride out calmly on a loss. He has a cult like following, and could sell just about anything for his die hard followers, selling NFT's partnering with Brawndo is great. Keep doing incredibly cringeworthy things where he loses even r/conservative. Embarrassment and cringe are emotions that really only go inwards. For example, as much as I might dislike the Kardashians and everything they stand for and believe in, I don't find them "cringeworthy" or react with "embarrassment" when they do something. I generally ignore and get no information about them (The media is not as kind to people who hate Trump to give them a break). When I do, I'm either annoyed, laughing, or analyzing. Just a personal thing but someone can make millions of dollars in hours using photoshopped stock photos or filling Instagram with their gluteus maximus I want to understand that rather than sulk in embarrassment while reassuring myself how much better I am than them. Seems we won't have much common ground I am just still curious. Take for a moment the fact that Trump might have his own goals and he's not just doing things to satisfy you (i.e. riding off into the sunset). What might his goals be? Realizing political achievements that HE thinks will improve his country? Can you brainstorm some positive ways he can do that, what would you do in his shoes? Something besides: Not be an idiot, Not be racist, Not be orange, etc. For my curiosity's sake. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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Your point that Trump gained votes in the 2020 election also misses Husyelt's point entirely: That it was his actions after the 2020 election that made him lose the moderates. How he performed before jan 6 is irrelevant to an argument that jan 6 made him unpalatable to so many people that he has lost whatever chance he might have otherwise had. I also think some of your deflections are pretty silly. Calling Nick Fuentes or Ye anti-semites when they're on record praising Hitler (and various other statements tbh, it's not hard to find these) isn't far fetched, and them being confused about how Hitler would view them due to their own ethnicity doesn't change that. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
Like the Country grew over 4 years. Saying he had "the second highest popular vote in history" is hilariously disingenuous when he lost the popular vote that year by 7 million votes (by like 9% of his vote count) to the guy whos gotten the most votes in us history. There's only one Department of State but he's obviously not "stealing" anything when he's out of office in this 4 year vacation, is he? What does this even mean? He took classified documents when he left office and put them in his golf course that he lives on in florida and in other random places that his people are now telling the government he had. He hid documents on the first raid and the FBI had to go in a second time to find more of them.You can't just keep classified documents with you when you leave office and tell no one you have them. Mar a lago is not a secure facility for nuclear secrets. His NFT trading cards are the most blatant and open money laundering operation in history. Its actually incredibly poetic and impressive that hes striking NFT's after they've failed completely and using it to prove one last definitive time that crypto is only useful for crime and fraud. Hes deep in debt from his failed business's and is desperately trying to grift as hard as he possibly can while he can. | ||
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NewSunshine
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23767 Posts
On December 23 2022 04:04 oBlade wrote: It's not related to frequency of posting something on the internet, you know in your heart of hearts whether or not you you have an apparent Pavlovian reaction to anything Trump does, but I can't soul read you and even if I could, we can't guarantee honesty. Trump added 11 million to his popular vote total from 2016. It's the 2nd most in history. I wouldn't underestimate him, but you seem to be in opposition so go ahead and underestimate him please. "Everyone in power" is looking solely after their own interests who let the neocon and big government establishment cabal get everything it wants. The idea that people prefer the Mitch McConnells of the world joining together with the Pelosis of the world is almost incomprehensible to me from a generation that gave us OWS and elected Obama. I agree it's better to win elections with good candidates. However, PA voters went for a literal blob who can't form a sentence and is the puppet of his spouse over a thoracic surgeon. Like he said, he would like to have all the credit for successes and none of the blame of failures, in reality he'll get blamed for all the failures and all the successes will be just accidents. There is a sense of interference in local races that had more chances of winning with other candidates; however, what the shallow analysis misses on this part is the power struggle of factions within the party itself and that if the rank and file are more interested in just perpetuating bipartisan establishment spending and waste with the other party, rather than pivoting to a new platform and actually fighting for it, they are not very useful allies for a President Trump as borne out by the first 4 years. The endorsements and support for Oz and Walker for example are pure politics at work. They helped him and he helped them in return. Those kinds of allies are valuable. US politics isn't a video game, there's more going on than red team blue team. You said "that was supposed to be spent" in the passive voice like money has a conscious or instinctual ability to achieve its goal of being spent. Trump's side has been raising money continuously for like 6-7 years via email drives, if you're saying they raised money and it wasn't spent when YOU would spent it, I don't know where the criteria for "supposed to" comes from, presumably they can spend the money campaigning as they see fit. I had read that Mitch was the one who pulled money out from key races like Blake Masters? But I haven't looked too deep into it in any case. Should he have announced before? The point was to reduce any backlash from him making the midterms about his own controversial self when the midterm races could succeed by campaigning on the merits against the current administration's failures. If you look objectively outside of cries of "dead GOP," the immediate cause of the suspected underperformance was the Dobbs decision. With the election over there's nothing he interrupts by announcing his candidacy, and making his plan clear reduces confusion in many ways. You must be talking about his dinner with Kanye West, a black man, Nick Fuentes, a Hispanic man, and Milo an infamous self-avowed gay Jew. It's quite a diverse set of white nationalists. There's only one Department of State but he's obviously not "stealing" anything when he's out of office in this 4 year vacation, is he? This isn't a good answer. I almost put a disclaimer in my question to say "Please list actual positive things he can do, not just things he shouldn't do." But I didn't and got this list as a result. This is why I asked you what he should do, it's more scientific, after he does or doesn't do the thing you said, we could see if you really approved of it. So far he has announced platforms for protecting free speech and immigration reform. Those seem relevant to current issues, that's what a presidential candidate should do? Embarrassment and cringe are emotions that really only go inwards. For example, as much as I might dislike the Kardashians and everything they stand for and believe in, I don't find them "cringeworthy" or react with "embarrassment" when they do something. I generally ignore and get no information about them (The media is not as kind to people who hate Trump to give them a break). When I do, I'm either annoyed, laughing, or analyzing. Just a personal thing but someone can make millions of dollars in hours using photoshopped stock photos or filling Instagram with their gluteus maximus I want to understand that rather than sulk in embarrassment while reassuring myself how much better I am than them. Seems we won't have much common ground I am just still curious. Take for a moment the fact that Trump might have his own goals and he's not just doing things to satisfy you (i.e. riding off into the sunset). What might his goals be? Realizing political achievements that HE thinks will improve his country? Can you brainstorm some positive ways he can do that, what would you do in his shoes? Something besides: Not be an idiot, Not be racist, Not be orange, etc. For my curiosity's sake. If you’re ostensibly raising campaign funds, or ‘fight the steal’ funds, how you choose to deploy that is up to you but you know, it should go to those ostensible aims. What should he do that’s positive? Not run, he’s patently unfit for high office, if you want to kid yourself that he is I mean go ahead. Husyelt I believe is a conservative, a political tract I have no issue with and the occasional bit of alignment with. Unless it’s a meaningless designation and it’s whatever ‘owns the libs’ and and doing contortions Olga Korbut would be proud of to just give people like Trump a pass on everything. And then the gall to expect, nay demand serious engagement. Where have been the brass tacks nitty gritty discussion of ideology, policy over the last half decade? We’ve the ‘culture wars’ and fuck all else. | ||
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Husyelt
United States803 Posts
On December 23 2022 11:57 WombaT wrote: If you’re ostensibly raising campaign funds, or ‘fight the steal’ funds, how you choose to deploy that is up to you but you know, it should go to those ostensible aims. What should he do that’s positive? Not run, he’s patently unfit for high office, if you want to kid yourself that he is I mean go ahead. Husyelt I believe is a conservative, a political tract I have no issue with and the occasional bit of alignment with. Unless it’s a meaningless designation and it’s whatever ‘owns the libs’ and and doing contortions Olga Korbut would be proud of to just give people like Trump a pass on everything. And then the gall to expect, nay demand serious engagement. Where have been the brass tacks nitty gritty discussion of ideology, policy over the last half decade? We’ve the ‘culture wars’ and fuck all else. I was a conservative 10 years ago, I am very much progressive now. I took a week off work and campaigned for a candidate for the first time this midterms (Marie Perez). oBlade’s comments on Fetterman are telling but it’s typical of those that consume right wing media. “Walker coudnt speak? but what about Fetterman!” Well, for starters, Fetterman can clearly articulate policy and expand upon ideas, he just takes a full second or two to process the question. And yep no policy discussion among the right anymore. If you listen to America Fest or CPAC, its just: “The radical left wants socialism. The woke madness. Teaching transgender! Trans is a dark agenda! Climate change is a hoax!” As for the Trump defenses, dude its over. Trump is a proto fascist. Just because he is incompetent and a bumbling idiot doesnt make things less sinister. The real scary thing was if he had people like Kari Lake in positions of power when he wanted to find 11,000 votes, and have votes thrown out or fake electors lines up. We got lucky. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23767 Posts
On December 24 2022 10:10 Husyelt wrote: I was a conservative 10 years ago, I am very much progressive now. I took a week off work and campaigned for a candidate for the first time this midterms (Marie Perez). oBlade’s comments on Fetterman are telling but it’s typical of those that consume right wing media. “Walker coudnt speak? but what about Fetterman!” Well, for starters, Fetterman can clearly articulate policy and expand upon ideas, he just takes a full second or two to process the question. And yep no policy discussion among the right anymore. If you listen to America Fest or CPAC, its just: “The radical left wants socialism. The woke madness. Teaching transgender! Trans is a dark agenda! Climate change is a hoax!” As for the Trump defenses, dude its over. Trump is a proto fascist. Just because he is incompetent and a bumbling idiot doesnt make things less sinister. The real scary thing was if he had people like Kari Lake in positions of power when he wanted to find 11,000 votes, and have votes thrown out or fake electors lines up. We got lucky. Apologies if I mischaracterised your politics, was going off some half-remembered old posts. They’ve abandoned anything remotely palatable or admirable for well, whatever this is. Historically I’ve always felt conservatives had good points on things like community and values that the milquetoast centre left kind of sucked on. The more radical left less so. Being an atheist with one side of my family being very religious, I always felt a kind of sadness that we don’t have a comparative thing to the Church. Where anyone in the community of any standing can meet up under some shared banner, and various social outreaches spring from there. That kind of thing. Or a general historical valuing of things like decorum, holding oneself in a certain way. Common decency. Despite being very left wing, that kind of thing is quite hardcoded into my sensibilities. I’ve historically found some common ground there with conservative brothers and sisters despite other ideological differences For whatever reason people decided to say ‘fuck it I’ll suck Donald Trump off’ regardless of what he does | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
oBlade, your comments on Fetterman are fucking disgusting (and completely inaccurate) and if you have a shred of integrity you should be ashamed of yourself. Also, Nick Fuentes is a literal Nazi. Not figuratively. Literally. Kanye is also explicitly an anti-semite. These aren't up for debate. You are factually incorrect if you think otherwise. | ||
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Mikau313
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JimmiC
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oBlade
United States5271 Posts
On December 23 2022 06:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: Your point that Trump gained votes in the 2020 election also misses Husyelt's point entirely: That it was his actions after the 2020 election that made him lose the moderates. How he performed before jan 6 is irrelevant to an argument that jan 6 made him unpalatable to so many people that he has lost whatever chance he might have otherwise had. With respect I think the people mainly making that claim are the people to whom he was always unelectable to begin with. It seemed to be a historically strong performance for a Republican presidential candidate which would have been competitive in any other election even if he suffered a decrease in votes. It was also historically strong for the Democratic candidate, but I think to attribute that to the candidate's quality while ignoring things like unprecedented media stumping and government interference in the media, emergency voting measures, ballot harvesting and no-excuse early voting (I'll explain why this is important lower in the Fetterman section) and the general discontent of being in a pandemic, is also missing the picture. There is equal or greater discontent as people live with the actual consequences of Biden's policies during now 2 years of pandemic apparently. So I think ANY predictions about future elections should be met with skepticism. On December 23 2022 06:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: I also think some of your deflections are pretty silly. Calling Nick Fuentes or Ye anti-semites when they're on record praising Hitler (and various other statements tbh, it's not hard to find these) isn't far fetched, and them being confused about how Hitler would view them due to their own ethnicity doesn't change that. My point about Nick Fuentes and Kanye West is not that they're not anti-semites, they are obviously anti-semites. 1) Calling Kanye West a "white nationalist" or associating him with white supremacy or white nationalism seems asinine. Not only because he's black. Kanye West is best described as a beloved entertainer publicly going insane. Exploiting that to get the little zingers in on Trump is despicable. 2) A white nationalist very obviously would not say Beyonce had a better album than Taylor Swift. 3) White supremacy or white nationalism did not invent anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is about as old as the Bible. There are anti-semites caucasing with the Democrats at this very moment, these are actual elected officials, and they get none of the vitriol that is directed at one mentally ill private citizen, who had dinner with Trump, having already declared himself to be running for president... against him. Something is wrong with this picture. Two men with deteriorating brands had dinner and the guest, who is crazy, brought along some equally nutty friends. This is not political or a news story. Not you Drone but there are people reading this page now thinking they are geniuses because they uncovered Trump's secret plan to make the US a white supremacist fascist state by having dinner with a singer who tanked his entire public image in days. The world can't survive with the US obsessed in this way like a kind of political narcissism. 4) It's in fact racist to say Kanye West is anti-semitic because of white supremacy. Kanye West if you listen to him for like 5 minutes is anti-semitic because he observed maybe real exploitation in the music industry (Not my subject, but I can believe it, knowing exploitation in acting and other entertainment industries), and then became anti-semitic. 5) Trump was the first to break and recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, gave extraordinary aid to Israel, constantly says Israel is one of the US's closest allies, and has a Jewish son-in-law - and by extension converted Jewish daughter - to whom he gave extraordinary responsibility in the White House that his administration was met with severe criticism from both sides of the aisle over. 6) Contrary to what the media says I don't think anybody knows or cares who Nick Fuentes is, I would suspect most people here are in the same boat. The media constantly does this. In the middle of turning off their phones when they see too many tweets about protests in China and Iran, they call up a random David Duke or the bald Tate guy or Nick Fuentes or some Qanon person to get a comment for a scoop. Nobody knows or cares who these people or Q are until the media amplifies them. THAT is, what seems to be the word of the day, grifting. Every time people fall into this trap for the short-term goal of throwing another tomato at Trump, it has the long-term effect of cheapening journalism and the public discourse. These people belong on Howard Stern getting roasted like Daniel Carver. It's like when Hollywood singers do these private shows for third world dictators. Unholy alliance between the media needing a story and these random losers needing some way to latch onto some infamy they can use to advance themselves. On December 23 2022 06:50 Sermokala wrote: What does this even mean? He took classified documents when he left office and put them in his golf course that he lives on in florida and in other random places that his people are now telling the government he had. He hid documents on the first raid and the FBI had to go in a second time to find more of them.You can't just keep classified documents with you when you leave office and tell no one you have them. Mar a lago is not a secure facility for nuclear secrets. This means, if you took a minute to read the post that came from which is important because it wasn't addressed to you so the context might be important, that I asked the person what Trump could do now that he approves of, and the answer was not steal classified things while president. This would be analogous to someone saying, for example, "I don't feel safe from terrorism." - someone replying - Then what could the president do to make us safer? - and answering "How about stopping planes from flying into the Twin Towers?" Like this level of answer shows a basic misunderstanding of what time is that I can't further help with. On December 23 2022 11:57 WombaT wrote: What should he do that’s positive? Not run, he’s patently unfit for high office, if you want to kid yourself that he is I mean go ahead. The question is, what can he do that's positive, meaning the presence of something (not the absence of something) positive. Like proactive. Not the sense of positive that makes you feel good. This is obvious if you would read the context of the person who I was responding to instead of going for your zinger. It's a very simple test I think you can make about Trump or anyone else or any other situation in the world. Name something beforehand that they can do that you would like. Then if they were to do actually do your suggestion, and you suddenly became against it, it would suggest that there's something else going on with your brain's relationship to that person's actions. Or if you freely admit that you can't name something they would do that you like, because you literally think everything they do must be wrong, that's fine also as long as you own it honestly. That's all the question is meant to test. This question helps inform you how much time you should be spending thinking or discussing about issues when they are already foregone conclusions in your framework. On December 23 2022 06:50 Sermokala wrote: His NFT trading cards are the most blatant and open money laundering operation in history. Its actually incredibly poetic and impressive that hes striking NFT's after they've failed completely and using it to prove one last definitive time that crypto is only useful for crime and fraud. Hes deep in debt from his failed business's and is desperately trying to grift as hard as he possibly can while he can. Money laundering where I come from means that you take illicitly gotten funds and "wash" them to make them "clean" by funneling them through legal revenue streams. Like a front. Do you have evidence of that here? I would really like to see that. Because Ukraine is right there and it looks orders of magnitude more expensive than Trump's amazing collectible NFTs as far as money laundering would go but you just said the most blatant and open. Or are you using money laundering as a synonym for making money in ways that you don't think are right? On December 24 2022 10:10 Husyelt wrote: I was a conservative 10 years ago, I am very much progressive now. I took a week off work and campaigned for a candidate for the first time this midterms (Marie Perez). oBlade’s comments on Fetterman are telling but it’s typical of those that consume right wing media. “Walker coudnt speak? but what about Fetterman!” Well, for starters, Fetterman can clearly articulate policy and expand upon ideas, he just takes a full second or two to process the question. We weren't talking about Walker, and that was a different election so I don't know where you're going, tell me when Walker and Fetterman face off and well cross that bridge when we get there maybe. I watched the debate and I watched his interviews. We will have to agree to disagree on interpreting the evidence probably. Even with teleprompters, he has difficulty responding to what is happening, let alone coherently. He lost debate polls 62-17. I didn't see a single poll higher than 20% saying he won the debate. People have been shitting on Republicans since Reagan. Reagan was too old, he must have dementia or he could break his hip and get amnesia at any moment. Bush could not speak. McCain was lambasted for being slow, demented, and out of touch. I have seen years of people saying Trump is a "bigly" idiot who speaks at a 4th grade reading level. He publicly took COGNITIVE TESTS to dispel years of media gossip that he was losing his marbles because they said he wasn't mentally fit to be near the nuclear codes. The same people then said he cheated or the test isn't enough to prove he has his wits about him. The current president has days where he seems to have no idea where he is and can barely finish words, to say nothing of sentences. Three of these people have been the oldest presidents ever elected. This is not because oBlade hates old people and stroke victims. The current VP can't speak either and she seems to have no visible disability except incompetence. As mayor, Fetterman pointed a shotgun at a random black man. Later, he had a stroke. I'm glad the people of his city had someone they were satisfied to represent him. That's a beautiful thing in democracy. And I have nothing but sympathy for someone who suffers any ailment. But with all due respect for his years of tax-payer funded public service, if you have a stroke, you don't HAVE to run for office. And so I have nothing but contempt for the people in his circle who would push him to something he's obviously not capable of, which is the exact same position the current president himself is in. These positions are not meant to be ways to collect disability checks or sympathy prizes. There is only one US and these are the people the taxpayers pay to run it - the least we can do is make sure they can read and think and speak. We seem to be on different planets here. "He had a stroke, of course he has trouble with auditory or language processing." His intellect could be 100% intact (unknown) but when you're an elected official you have to be able to process language. If 600,000 people can early vote and a guy who loses a debate with 17% wins handily, it suggests just personally to me that something more is going on than the naive "candidate choice." 1) That obviously Oz suffered after immediate fallout from the Dobbs decision as a Republican (Some of you might not have read this far into Oz, and that's also a significant failure of Oz's communication, but the plain meaning of "that should be between a woman, her doctor, and local political leaders" is that Oz wouldn't support nationwide legislation restricting abortion - "local" meaning he thinks it should be left to the states, and that you can easily vote for Democratic State Senators in PA who would continue to support abortion which remains legal there - Oz's failure to communicate may have been from trying to toe the line and not lose pro-lifers by appearing as a "Hollywood" - which he is - "Leftist" - which he isn't - which somehow the Fetterman campaign successfully smeared him with). 2) That the Democrats have built a political machine in the US the likes of which haven't been seen since Boss Tweed, based on a welfare state and cronyist handouts funded by deficit spending, in exchange for rubber stamping of anyone with a (D) next to their name. Like if armies worth of people vote before a debate, there are civic duties which are being squandered here in regards to participation. On December 23 2022 09:26 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, those comments about Fetterman are really gross. The Right always wants to see empathy when one of their guys falls ill or injured, someone opposite them suffers a stroke, and mind you, recovers pretty damn well pretty damn quickly, and we're back to petty insults. Nothing but class. He was busy recovering from a stroke for months and PA still told Oz to fuck off. You seem so gleeful about Pennsylvania telling a literal Muslim immigrant to "fuck off," I'll try not to read anything into that. The only Republican injuries that come to mind off-hand are Rand Paul being assaulted and Steve Scalise being shot for me. What's the rest of the trend you're referring to? On December 24 2022 12:50 Stratos_speAr wrote: Trump isn't a proto-fascist. He is the definition of a fascist. oBlade, your comments on Fetterman are fucking disgusting (and completely inaccurate) and if you have a shred of integrity you should be ashamed of yourself. Also, Nick Fuentes is a literal Nazi. Not figuratively. Literally. Kanye is also explicitly an anti-semite. These aren't up for debate. You are factually incorrect if you think otherwise. One of the definitions of fascism is that you can't vote them out. But okay you're correct, Nick Fuentes, the American of Mexican heritage, is literally a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party. I concede the point to you, sir. | ||
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pmh
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
On December 29 2022 04:53 oBlade wrote: Money laundering where I come from means that you take illicitly gotten funds and "wash" them to make them "clean" by funneling them through legal revenue streams. Like a front. Do you have evidence of that here? I would really like to see that. Because Ukraine is right there and it looks orders of magnitude more expensive than Trump's amazing collectible NFTs as far as money laundering would go but you just said the most blatant and open. Or are you using money laundering as a synonym for making money in ways that you don't think are right? How is Ukraine a money laundering operation? Ukraine isn't even expensive its the best investment america has ever made other than alaska. A fraction of the military budget to ruin of the few geopolitical rivals in the world that it has. America is handing over the used equipment from the last war that isn't up to standards anymore and advertising its capabilities to the world in the most spectacular way. The javelin missile is now an autowin weapon against any russian tank. Not even getting close to the loot we've aquired from captured and recovered russian tech. I mean that its very clearly a money laundering operation so people can wash money to make them clean. They put the price at 99$ a card with a max of 100 cards someone could buy which gives you a max of $9900 a person. Thats so suspiciously under the $10k IRS limit that you just can't ignore whats going on. On top of that the "company" behind it is clearly a front for Trump as they say repeatedly that its not owned by trump but just license's trump's likeness. With the ability to use crypto to buy the NFT's and resell them there is no way to track the transactions legally by the IRS. If someone receives money from a trump NFT that went up after it got released theres no way for anyone to claim foul play. If you purchased an NFT with dirty ETH you can instantly claim it with a positive margin as clean cash. This means, if you took a minute to read the post that came from which is important because it wasn't addressed to you so the context might be important, that I asked the person what Trump could do now that he approves of, and the answer was not steal classified things while president. This would be analogous to someone saying, for example, "I don't feel safe from terrorism." - someone replying - Then what could the president do to make us safer? - and answering "How about stopping planes from flying into the Twin Towers?" Like this level of answer shows a basic misunderstanding of what time is that I can't further help with. This is incredible beacuse you almost found a way out only to screw up on the gotcha. the answer "how about stopping planes from flying into the twin towers" would be taken by anyone in good faith as "protecting us from 9/11 happening again". If you tried to understand what I posted you would come to the conclusion that I didn't say that he should stop stealing now that hes out of office I said he should move the classified documents that he has stolen into a secure facility, you know like the law that normal people have to follow. Contrary to what the media says I don't think anybody knows or cares who Nick Fuentes is, I would suspect most people here are in the same boat. The media constantly does this. In the middle of turning off their phones when they see too many tweets about protests in China and Iran, they call up a random David Duke or the bald Tate guy or Nick Fuentes or some Qanon person to get a comment for a scoop. Nobody knows or cares who these people or Q are until the media amplifies them. THAT is, what seems to be the word of the day, grifting. Every time people fall into this trap for the short-term goal of throwing another tomato at Trump, it has the long-term effect of cheapening journalism and the public discourse. These people belong on Howard Stern getting roasted like Daniel Carver. It's like when Hollywood singers do these private shows for third world dictators. Unholy alliance between the media needing a story and these random losers needing some way to latch onto some infamy they can use to advance themselves. The nazis know and care who Nick Fuentes is. Not everyone who disagrees with you is "the media". the guy has a lot of very public very easy to access videos of him self saying very clear nazi grade far right things. Do you want someone to show you the nick Fuentes nazi highlight reel? You called Fetterman a "literal blob that can't form a sentence and is the puppet of his spouce." Are you going to address how disgusting that is or do we just need to keep reminding you of what you said? | ||
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Sadist
United States7171 Posts
I remember a conservative slant before but this seems like we are watching radicalization in real time. The Fettermen stuff is bizarre. Pennsylvania telling a muslim to fuck off? Does Dr Oz even mention being a muslim basically ever? Do you really think thats why people didnt vote for him? If Fetterman had not had a stroke he would have mopped the floor with Oz in debates. He clearly had a "man of the people" thing about him compared to Dr. Oz. A wealthy,out of touch, out of state, celebrity charlatan swooping in to try to take down a down to earth lifelong person from Pennsylvania. It writes itself. All of the attacks on Fetterman and Biden's mental faculties screams of right wing echo chamber. | ||
KwarK
United States41961 Posts
On December 29 2022 04:53 oBlade wrote: It's a very simple test I think you can make about Trump or anyone else or any other situation in the world. Name something beforehand that they can do that you would like. Then if they were to do actually do your suggestion, and you suddenly became against it, it would suggest that there's something else going on with your brain's relationship to that person's actions. Or if you freely admit that you can't name something they would do that you like, because you literally think everything they do must be wrong, that's fine also as long as you own it honestly. That's all the question is meant to test. This question helps inform you how much time you should be spending thinking or discussing about issues when they are already foregone conclusions in your framework. This is reductive conservative echo chamber dismissal. “They just hate Trump because the media tells them to, they don’t hate what he is or what he does, they’re just sheep, if he did X they’d declare they hate X”. It’s not true, it’s observably not true, and it’s been shown not to be true a hundred times. If you genuinely think that then you need to break out of echo chambers and hear the actual criticisms. | ||
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KwarK
United States41961 Posts
On December 29 2022 09:36 Sadist wrote: I think oBlade went off the deepend. Yeah, pretty much. It’s like reading the deranged ramblings of Alex Jones. NFTs are used for money laundering because you can take crypto owned by anyone and use that to overpay for something so the seller gets legitimate money from “selling” their NFT at a profit. It’s not a very complicated money laundering scheme, the only real difference from classic money laundering schemes is that it’s easier because you don’t need banks or money. The response that the nation of Ukraine is the real money laundering scheme is the response of a lunatic. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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