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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-12 17:07:10
November 12 2022 17:06 GMT
#76321
On November 13 2022 01:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am very curious about Trump’s Tuesday announcement. I thought he was going to announce his candidacy but with these midterm results, and seemingly much of the right wing media turning on him (I read that anyway, haven't confirmed it myself), I dunno if that's still happening, or if that even was the plan. (I mean, if nothing else, if Trump has had a degree of savviness to him, it has been his ability to read and respond to the media.)


The initial plan was to announce his candidacy i am pretty sure about that.
But maybe he came to realize that he has no real change at winning the presidential elecions and that he turned from beeing an asset for the republicans into a liability.

Now i have no clue what he will announce. Maybe he will announce his return to twitter.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22153 Posts
November 12 2022 17:11 GMT
#76322
On November 13 2022 02:06 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2022 01:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am very curious about Trump’s Tuesday announcement. I thought he was going to announce his candidacy but with these midterm results, and seemingly much of the right wing media turning on him (I read that anyway, haven't confirmed it myself), I dunno if that's still happening, or if that even was the plan. (I mean, if nothing else, if Trump has had a degree of savviness to him, it has been his ability to read and respond to the media.)


The initial plan was to announce his candidacy i am pretty sure about that.
But maybe he came to realize that he has no real change at winning the presidential elecions and that he turned from beeing an asset for the republicans into a liability.

Now i have no clue what he will announce. Maybe he will announce his return to twitter.
I don't think whether or not he can win matters to him running. He needs the office of the President to protect himself from lawsuits and investigations, doubly so if the Republicans are not seizing Congress to further shield him. He might not announce Tuesday with how this election turned against him, but I will be shocked if he doesn't try to run in 2024.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26431 Posts
November 12 2022 17:24 GMT
#76323
On November 13 2022 02:06 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2022 01:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am very curious about Trump’s Tuesday announcement. I thought he was going to announce his candidacy but with these midterm results, and seemingly much of the right wing media turning on him (I read that anyway, haven't confirmed it myself), I dunno if that's still happening, or if that even was the plan. (I mean, if nothing else, if Trump has had a degree of savviness to him, it has been his ability to read and respond to the media.)


The initial plan was to announce his candidacy i am pretty sure about that.
But maybe he came to realize that he has no real change at winning the presidential elecions and that he turned from beeing an asset for the republicans into a liability.

Now i have no clue what he will announce. Maybe he will announce his return to twitter.

My money is on either Truth Social 2.0 or a long awaited update on the status of Hunter Biden’s LaptopTM

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-12 18:27:51
November 12 2022 18:05 GMT
#76324
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
November 12 2022 19:50 GMT
#76325
He's most likely going to announce he's running in 2024 anyway. I don't think he cares what other people think.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 12 2022 21:20 GMT
#76326
He absolutely cares what other people think, but that's the chicanery that narcissism throws into the mix. He cares more than anything about how he's perceived, he's just willing to tell massive lies to himself and others to convince himself that he's perceived well. His ego demands that he run so that he can win, so that he feels like he's worth something.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-13 01:43:02
November 13 2022 00:55 GMT
#76327
In probably the House race upset of the midterm (there could be another one in Colorado), WA-3 flips Democratic. 538 gave the Republican Joe Kent, a Freedom Caucus-esque figure, a 98% chance to win. Democrats made the entire western seaboard blue.

Useful chart to see how this midterm compares to other presidents' midterms. Biden's probably going to have the fifth best midterm for a president since 1934. More impressive given his miserable approval rating compared to the other performers. You could say the issues of Dobbs and defending democracy was equal to the New Deal, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Clinton's impeachment, and 9/11.


I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-13 01:11:40
November 13 2022 01:11 GMT
#76328
It's crazy to think that if the Democratic party in NY hadn't been so incompetent and corrupt the Dems would probably already have 218 seats. Control of the House being this close in a midterm election is an embarrassing defeat for the Republicans.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
November 13 2022 01:13 GMT
#76329
Nevada vote counters are supposed to submit the final 22k uncounted votes tonight, very good odds it puts the dem over.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
November 13 2022 02:24 GMT
#76330
On November 13 2022 10:11 StasisField wrote:
It's crazy to think that if the Democratic party in NY hadn't been so incompetent and corrupt the Dems would probably already have 218 seats. Control of the House being this close in a midterm election is an embarrassing defeat for the Republicans.

New York democrats are so wildly corrupt and awful it’s silly.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 13 2022 02:28 GMT
#76331
And CCM takes the lead in Nevada. Outlets are calling it. Dems have 50, possibly 51 with the Georgia runoff.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 13 2022 02:59 GMT
#76332
It seems that we're going to have to wait until California gets around to counting the second half of their votes before we know who won the House, given that 10 of the <20 outstanding races are in CA. Hopefully, if it's not too much trouble, they'll get around to it eventually.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 13 2022 03:22 GMT
#76333
I've seen enough. The Democrats retain the House with 219 seats.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 13 2022 03:26 GMT
#76334
On November 13 2022 12:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I've seen enough. The Democrats retain the House with 219 seats.

I would be surprised if they make it to 218 tbh. Which seats do you think they flip?
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
November 13 2022 03:34 GMT
#76335
Someone dig up all of those wildly condescending posts from someone on this forum about how democrats are getting their senate taken from them
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 13 2022 03:54 GMT
#76336
On November 13 2022 12:26 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2022 12:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I've seen enough. The Democrats retain the House with 219 seats.

I would be surprised if they make it to 218 tbh. Which seats do you think they flip?

People I follow have been observing that the mail ballots along the West Coast have gone for Dems at 2018 rates, so with that in mind, here's the five uncalled races I think the GOP wins:
NY-22
AK-1
CA-27
CA-45
OR-5
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
November 13 2022 04:18 GMT
#76337
The 2024 Senate map is rough for Democrats/great for Republicans with a lot of vulnerable Democratic senators in red or battleground states. Manchin, Brown, Tester, and Sinema are all up, along with others who are less at risk but still could be toppled. It's why Johnson holding his Wisconsin seat is so painful and why Warnock has to win his, because the Democrats need every cushion possible.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24761 Posts
November 13 2022 04:47 GMT
#76338
It feels like the senate map is somehow rough for Democrats every time...
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 13 2022 04:53 GMT
#76339
On November 13 2022 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2022 12:26 StasisField wrote:
On November 13 2022 12:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I've seen enough. The Democrats retain the House with 219 seats.

I would be surprised if they make it to 218 tbh. Which seats do you think they flip?

People I follow have been observing that the mail ballots along the West Coast have gone for Dems at 2018 rates, so with that in mind, here's the five uncalled races I think the GOP wins:
NY-22
AK-1
CA-27
CA-45
OR-5

I agree with all those except AK-1. I think Peltola takes it. With the other 4, I also think Republicans take:
CA-3
CA-41
CO-3
And they might flip AZ-1, giving the GOP 218 or 219 if they flip AZ-1.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 13 2022 06:23 GMT
#76340
On November 13 2022 13:47 micronesia wrote:
It feels like the senate map is somehow rough for Democrats every time...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classes_of_United_States_senators#List_of_current_senators_by_class
2026 has 20 republications/13 democrats, current election was 14/20.

It makes the presidential a bit more important, given how tight the margins are.
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