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Deleted User 173346
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Just mailed in my ballot a couple days ago. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/texas-results | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
senate seems likely to change hands as well, I think it's going to end up at GOP 52 about. That being said, maybe all the Dems will outrun Biden's approval by massive amounts. But you don't want to be in that position. If the apocalypse happens to Democrats it could be 54 seats for the GOP, putting 60 on the table by 2026. (The 2024 senate map is really bad for dems, they have a lot of seats up including in red states like MT, OH, and WV. Should the GOP presidential candidate do very well in 2024, it starts looking dicey even in states like MI and GA). All incumbent GOP govs look to keep their seats. And some of the Republicans that Democrats spent money boosting in their primaries because they thought hey would be easier to beat are also in striking distance. I hope they all win. It would be their just deserts. I just wish they had better gov candidates in states like PA, with Roe gone they could put in mild, but more pro-life laws. Alas. Speaking of 2024, the presidential primary will unofficially begin next Wednesday. It seems very likely DeSantis will win FL by the biggest margin of any politician in decades, which should give him a nice boost. Meanwhile Democrats presidential choices are the old and decrepit (Biden), people who just aren't good politicians (Harris), and the uninspired (the rest of them, basically). When one of your best choices is Gavin Newsom, heaven help you. Just remember, this pattern more or less has repeated itself since the Civil War. When the incumbent president has a low approval, his party suffers. Even if Roe costs the GOP a few seats, so be it. Couldn't have happened at the better time, they are set to take both chambers anyways. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
The people who really care about abortion, either for or against, were never going to vote the other party to begin with. But those are a minority and most people who can be persuaded, care about how things are going in general and vote based on feelings. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
Apparently women don't give a shit about their own rights and people don't care about the higher murder rates from guns in red states. Boomers want to cut all the social safety nets for them right before being able to benefit from all the money they put in before. A lot of people are okay with political violence and just want facism. I guess people just really enjoy how things are going and want nothing to change for two more years either way. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
Like please good faith give me some of the positive reasons to vote for a Republican that has nothing to do with Democrats. What are they telling you that motivates you to support them? | ||
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Slydie
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On November 02 2022 15:38 Sermokala wrote: I just don't get the why anymore to vote Republican. They tell you they want to make your life worse when they tell you anything at all they want to do. Like please good faith give me some of the positive reasons to vote for a Republican that has nothing to do with Democrats. What are they telling you that motivates you to support them? The same reason Republicans have gotten votes for 40 years. Rack up enough people wanting lower taxes, a smaller state, conservative Christian values, not liking immigrants or opposing gun control. They'll never vote for the Democrats no matter what. I hope the election steal is not a myth is not a motivation by itself, but rather something some rally around because they did not think it was possible their great leader could lose. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On November 02 2022 21:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Has there been any introspection on Fox News like channels after the MAGA hammer attack on Pelosi's husband? I know they blamed it on the 'democrat crime wave' but it's very much confirmed to be a MAGA idiot by now. Lol do you think so? We wouldnt have the problems we have today if there was a smidge of introspection at Fox news. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On November 02 2022 21:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Has there been any introspection on Fox News like channels after the MAGA hammer attack on Pelosi's husband? I know they blamed it on the 'democrat crime wave' but it's very much confirmed to be a MAGA idiot by now. Lolno they say he was Paul's gay lover he got in a fight with after coming home drunk from the bar. | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
Meanwhile on crime, they are once again either denying a problem (Hochul in NY) or pointing fingers at red states. So dems aren't actually addressing any of the problems people see and feel, instead they are trying to convince you that Democracy is on thr brink if they lose, or that abortion should be the most pressing concern. And finally, Biden himself is unpopular, so it's hardly a surprise that people will, once again, vote for divided government. But like I said above, whatever the issues of the day, an unpopular incumbent president always takes some lumps in his first midterm. This is normal, functioning American republicanism with its staggered and regular elections. In this (less and less) Madisonian republic, when one side gains complete power, they overreach beyond their mandate and get punished for it later. So tldr is that dems can't really run on how great things are with them in charge, and so therefore will have some of that charge taken from them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On November 02 2022 22:45 Introvert wrote: He askedThe question of "why are people going to vote for Republicans" really isn't that hard to understand. First, the things people are worried about are not the things Dems want to talk about. Dems spent boatloads of cash, now there is inflation. And because they are politicians, they won't say "oh, we have little control over the economic cycle" (which would be misleading at best anyways), Instead, people like Biden are out there trying to say that things actually aren't that bad. After all, if say you have no power, you can't take credit for good times either. Especially since, in this case, dems passed huge spending bills including one ludicrously named "the inflation reduction act." You kind of have to lie in the bed you made. Meanwhile on crime, they are once again either denying a problem (Hochul in NY) or pointing fingers at red states. So dems aren't actually addressing any of the problems people see and feel, instead they are trying to convince you that Democracy is on thr brink if they lose, or that abortion should be the most pressing concern. And finally, Biden himself is unpopular, so it's hardly a surprise that people will, once again, vote for divided government. But like I said above, whatever the issues of the day, an unpopular incumbent president always takes some lumps in his first midterm. This is normal, functioning American republicanism with its staggered and regular elections. In this (less and less) Madisonian republic, when one side gains complete power, they overreach beyond their mandate and get punished for it later. So tldr is that dems can't really run on how great things are with them in charge, and so therefore will have some of that charge taken from them. Like please good faith give me some of the positive reasons to vote for a Republican that has nothing to do with Democrats. All I see from you is "But Democrats". | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Lies about guns? Check. Lies about abortion? Check. Lies about the LGBTQ community? Check with a very strong dash of bigotry. Lies about people of color? Check with a whole lot of racism. Lies about elections? Check. Lies about crime? Check with more racism. Lies about the economy and government spending? Check with a strong dose of hypocrisy. It's much easier to stoke fears about things like crime and say the party in power is bad at dealing with it instead of acknowledging that crime rose literally everywhere due to the pandemic, that crime tracks pretty much 1:1 with poverty and economic hardship, and that vague Republican strategies about "supporting our police" and "being tough on crime" do nothing to stop crime and just criminalize poverty. Same thing with the economy. Government spending contributed very little to current inflation but it's an easy boogeyman because people's day-to-day lives are affected by price increases. It's a lot easier to just blame the party in power than deal with the fact that our hyper-capitalist system is trash and is perfectly set up to let something like this happen. Republicans are really good at branding. They're really bad at actually governing. That's why they still get votes. They lie and fearmonger their way into office and then flounder around without a clue once they actually get there. Conversely, Democrats are absolutely terrible at branding/campaigning while having real, concrete policy proposals. Ultimately their entire identity is hamstrung by conservative Boomers that are always too concerned about eLeCtAbILItY and so we end up with a milquetoast boomer president that the current generation has to drag forward kicking and screaming. TL;DR there aren't any positive reasons to vote for Republicans unless you are genuinely uninformed or are a one-issue voter (e.g. abortions, guns). It's all fearmongering cult-of-personality (re: fascist) shit now. | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
That said, this is the midterms and the Republicans are fiscal hawks in opposition so maybe I can get behind that, as long as you vote Democrat in the presidential elections. Republican presidents are a fiscal nightmare, trillions in spend “paid for” by trillions in tax cuts because of a promise that growth stimulated by tax cuts will somehow result in lower taxes yielding more revenue. | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
On November 02 2022 22:51 Gorsameth wrote: He asked All I see from you is "But Democrats". Most midterms are about that, they are about the party/president in power, at least for the most part. The question of "why are people going to vote for Republicans" really isn't that hard to understand. But we can link the two perhaps. I suppose you could look at the issues and see that people trust the GOP more on the economy and crime, and, in certain states, in an amazing turn around, are getting to even on education. Republicans won't spend as much money, let criminals go free, or try to teach youngsters age-inappropriate material. And again in some states, didn't shutter the entire economy over covid. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On November 02 2022 22:45 Introvert wrote: The question of "why are people going to vote for Republicans" really isn't that hard to understand. First, the things people are worried about are not the things Dems want to talk about. Dems spent boatloads of cash, now there is inflation. And because they are politicians, they won't say "oh, we have little control over the economic cycle" (which would be misleading at best anyways), Instead, people like Biden are out there trying to say that things actually aren't that bad. After all, if say you have no power, you can't take credit for good times either. Especially since, in this case, dems passed huge spending bills including one ludicrously named "the inflation reduction act." You kind of have to lie in the bed you made. Meanwhile on crime, they are once again either denying a problem (Hochul in NY) or pointing fingers at red states. So dems aren't actually addressing any of the problems people see and feel, instead they are trying to convince you that Democracy is on thr brink if they lose, or that abortion should be the most pressing concern. And finally, Biden himself is unpopular, so it's hardly a surprise that people will, once again, vote for divided government. But like I said above, whatever the issues of the day, an unpopular incumbent president always takes some lumps in his first midterm. This is normal, functioning American republicanism with its staggered and regular elections. In this (less and less) Madisonian republic, when one side gains complete power, they overreach beyond their mandate and get punished for it later. So tldr is that dems can't really run on how great things are with them in charge, and so therefore will have some of that charge taken from them. Isn't the GOP as much a fiscally responsible party as the UK tories? Meaning sellout of public goods for the sake of efficiencies that never materialize with the private sector. See garbage US healthcare system, failure of energy grids or abysmal water quality, raw sewage at shorelines,... | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
On November 02 2022 23:12 KwarK wrote: Introvert, if you’re trying to sell the Republicans as a party of balanced budgets you’re going to need to be a substantially better salesman than you’ve been so far. Democrats have historically been painted as tax and spend administrations but Republicans have been tax cut and spend for their last 5 terms. Their fiscal irresponsibility has known no limits. That said, this is the midterms and the Republicans are fiscal hawks in opposition so maybe I can get behind that, as long as you vote Democrat in the presidential elections. Republican presidents are a fiscal nightmare, trillions in spend “paid for” by trillions in tax cuts because of a promise that growth stimulated by tax cuts will somehow result in lower taxes yielding more revenue. I would never try to paint them as balanced budgets, the few Republicans who try are demonized. It's pretend from everyone. | ||
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