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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 27 2022 22:56 GMT
#75821
On October 27 2022 21:28 Taelshin wrote:
@plasmidghost

So the People in charge are doing something you think is illegal and bad, But the other people you dislike who aren't making any of the decisions are against it. Yet you thought it was reasonable to conflate both of them, even though the issue you really have is with the person(The DA) in this instance.

Besides the alleged accusations of illegal issue's, Did you have a solution for this or should I just feel down about it?

Yeah, actually I have a ton of ideas about a solution to the current hell. To address this specific cash bail issue, here is my thought:

Cash bail was ruled unconstitutional, but Houston still does it anyway. Our police force will not voluntarily stop milking this cash cow, and our state government sure as hell won't intervene, so the only option is federal intervention.

Greg Abbott and the Texas GOP love saying how much they hate the federal government when Dems are in charge. They'll make a big show about DC running rampant on hardworking Texans and making us suffer, but every time there's a natural disaster, whether it's from hurricanes, or flooding, or that nightmare freeze that knocked out the state's energy grid last year, Abbott always begs for federal funding for disaster relief. He's also said a few times about rejecting federal funding for other things, but always backtracks shortly afterwards because he's a spineless coward. Obviously, having DC fuck with disaster relief to Texas would be immoral political suicide, but it's an important mindset to understand that Abbott takes all the federal money he can get. My idea is this:

Federal funding can be taken away from the city and the state for all sorts of things. Last year alone, we got $40 billion from the federal government under Biden and none of it was refused. If that was to be restricted until the open defiance of a federal court order was halted, it would end pretty quick.

I'm sure there are other options, but Biden isn't going to do this and the Texan mentality is so diseased that they consider inflicting cruelty and suffering on human beings to be morally correct as long as it owns the libs.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
October 28 2022 04:09 GMT
#75822
I honestly envy you for escaping not just Texas but the US as a whole, plasmidghost. I hope you feel safer and more accepted in the EU! Abbott is one of the worst human beings in the US government today. His policies are hypocritical and deadly. I hope Beto can somehow beat him in November. I expect the left to outperform the polls but I'm not sure we'll outperform enough to save our country from rapidly encroaching fascism. The fact Abbott and Ken Paxton are still in office and not behind bars is a fucking joke.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 28 2022 05:56 GMT
#75823
On October 28 2022 13:09 StasisField wrote:
I honestly envy you for escaping not just Texas but the US as a whole, plasmidghost. I hope you feel safer and more accepted in the EU! Abbott is one of the worst human beings in the US government today. His policies are hypocritical and deadly. I hope Beto can somehow beat him in November. I expect the left to outperform the polls but I'm not sure we'll outperform enough to save our country from rapidly encroaching fascism. The fact Abbott and Ken Paxton are still in office and not behind bars is a fucking joke.

Thank you! It's been awful seeing what's happening in Texas and the US as a whole. Less than two weeks until the election and I'm nervous as hell, but hopefully a miracle happens.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
October 28 2022 16:21 GMT
#75824
Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul Pelosi was assaulted in their own home last night. Suspect in custody, motive still being determined, but I'd be shocked if this wasn't politically motivated

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosis-husband-violently-assaulted-assailant-broke-san-francisco-home-rcna54510
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1057 Posts
October 28 2022 18:14 GMT
#75825
Beating an 83yo with a hammer, disturbing. The guy wanted Nancy Pelosi, but she was in DC. At least Mr. Pelosi is expected to make to make a full recovery.
Does this surprise anyone? The seed of hate is finally coming to fruit. I'm afraid there'll be a lot more like this.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
October 28 2022 18:59 GMT
#75826
The guy is lucky Nancy wasn't there otherwise they would probably be dead. Secret service would likely not hold back on someone trying to attack with a hammer.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 28 2022 22:16 GMT
#75827
At least Republicans aren't actively calling for violence. Just saying that if someone happened to go hurt their political enemies, they'd be okay with it. Definitely sends the right message that fascist violence is not OK.

#sarcasm
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 29 2022 00:34 GMT
#75828
Florida has now started the process for banning trans youth from healthcare. We're going to be eliminated and no one cares

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-10-28/florida-medical-boards-back-proposal-to-ban-gender-affirming-care-for-trans-youth
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 29 2022 04:34 GMT
#75829
On October 29 2022 09:34 plasmidghost wrote:
Florida has now started the process for banning trans youth from healthcare. We're going to be eliminated and no one cares

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-10-28/florida-medical-boards-back-proposal-to-ban-gender-affirming-care-for-trans-youth

Absolutely appalling that even the medical "experts" are in on this. And as your article points out, they silence actual transgender people and their allies, in favor of giving the only speech platform to the ones with the anti-trans agendas.

A lot of people in Florida might be too dense to realize this, but when you have to fly people around from other states to highlight that something in Florida is a problem, it's not a Florida problem. Wasting taxpayer money on stupid flights to pick stupid fights, it's peak political theatre. But clearly enough people still only want to see a show and play pretend.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
October 30 2022 03:26 GMT
#75830
Well folks, I went to a Marie Perez / Joe Kent debate up in Longview WA. Wanted to see how cracked out the audience was, and it was insane. Genuine hatred by the Kent and America First crowd. They despised the OPB/NPR host. Really scary stuff.

I have been campaigning or Perez for a few days now. Please get out and vote against any of the election deniers or proto Fash candidates. Any family or friends who can be swayed, swing them round a ballot.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 31 2022 18:48 GMT
#75831
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
October 31 2022 21:30 GMT
#75832
they could be entirely benign and he’d still fight it tooth and nail. I don’t have any expectations of these tax returns at all, but trump would fight a tax decrease if Chuck Schumer proposed it.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 01 2022 01:40 GMT
#75833
He's simply a narcissist of the grandest scale. As soon as it became a point of pride to refuse to show his tax returns, he would now rather die than release them. Being publicly seen as wrong or "ceding ground" on an issue is tantamount to death when your self-image is your entire universe.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
November 01 2022 02:09 GMT
#75834
I've never seen a politician who wasn't a narcissist.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 01 2022 04:54 GMT
#75835
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7916 Posts
November 01 2022 08:18 GMT
#75836
On November 01 2022 11:09 gobbledydook wrote:
I've never seen a politician who wasn't a narcissist.

There is narcissist and narcissist. Like, a bad trait of personality, or a clinical condition that borders insanity.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25927 Posts
November 01 2022 10:48 GMT
#75837
On November 01 2022 11:09 gobbledydook wrote:
I've never seen a politician who wasn't a narcissist.

‘All politicians suck’ is something of a cop-out to avoid confronting the considerable variances in how much they suck.

The truth, to my mind is that the good, earnest politicians who actually want to do things either get ignored, or swallowed up and subsumed by public sentiment.

We, the public are far too drawn to ‘strong’ men and women promising easy solutions to complex problems, for their own aggrandisement to the detriment of those who are actually invested in coming up with nuanced, sometimes difficult to swallow solutions to said problems.

Good politicians do exist, they’re just not front and centre, for that reason.

We had our politics society formal at our legislature, with quite a few members of that legislature present and schmoozing (and boozing) with them, some of them absolutely do care and went into politics for that reason.

My mum used to babysit for a lady the next street over, still friends with the kids. Her husband was horrendously abusive but she got out, did a politics degree, became an elected representative. She ended up moving sideways, helped found an abortion advocacy/advice service in the vague vein of Planned Parenthood

I’m maybe a bit personally biased on the matter, absolutely but I think the engrained idea that all politicians suck is a useful shield to deflect from the failings of those who do suck, as well as a pessimistic and cynical view that impedes those of good intent.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28701 Posts
November 01 2022 11:13 GMT
#75838
It's definitely not true that all politicians suck or that all politicians are narcissists. I will however grant that it's a highly prevalent trait among higher level politicians, and it's probably even more prevalent in the US where people vote for individuals rather than for a party.

However if you look at local politicians, city/town council members, positions that hardly get exposure and that pay poorly compared to the effort put into the job, my experience is they're overwhelmingly idealists. Sure - you can argue that anyone who takes the role of a politician, which by default is a statement of 'I know some way of improving society' or 'people like me so much that they're going to vote for me' (or both) is a person with some degree of confidence in him or herself, but I mean, that same thing applies to me as a teacher: I teach because I think I have some knowledge/insight that people would benefit from learning and I think I'm a good fit for the job and that people like me.

Either way, Trump's narcissism is on a whole other level compared to what is normal for politicians, even if one accepts that all politicians embody some degree of narcissistic traits. Same with his relationship to the truth. You can accurately state that politicians tend to sometimes lie without turning it into a binary system of 'is a liar' or 'is truthful' and then concluding that everybody is the same.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25927 Posts
November 01 2022 14:52 GMT
#75839
On November 01 2022 20:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
It's definitely not true that all politicians suck or that all politicians are narcissists. I will however grant that it's a highly prevalent trait among higher level politicians, and it's probably even more prevalent in the US where people vote for individuals rather than for a party.

However if you look at local politicians, city/town council members, positions that hardly get exposure and that pay poorly compared to the effort put into the job, my experience is they're overwhelmingly idealists. Sure - you can argue that anyone who takes the role of a politician, which by default is a statement of 'I know some way of improving society' or 'people like me so much that they're going to vote for me' (or both) is a person with some degree of confidence in him or herself, but I mean, that same thing applies to me as a teacher: I teach because I think I have some knowledge/insight that people would benefit from learning and I think I'm a good fit for the job and that people like me.

Either way, Trump's narcissism is on a whole other level compared to what is normal for politicians, even if one accepts that all politicians embody some degree of narcissistic traits. Same with his relationship to the truth. You can accurately state that politicians tend to sometimes lie without turning it into a binary system of 'is a liar' or 'is truthful' and then concluding that everybody is the same.

Indeed

I’d argue that narcissistic politicians being quite prevalent at the top of things is because narcissists are quite good at being narcissists, and we’re collectively quite bad at filtering bullshitters out.

It’s more politically damaging for a politician to earnestly say ‘You know what, I don’t know 100%, I’ll go look that up’’ in response to a question than it is for somebody to confidently assert nonsense
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-01 17:04:02
November 01 2022 16:54 GMT
#75840
not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist, but it helped the news cycle forget about Mr. Pelosi, so if nothing else it has certainly had some purpose.

edit; i’m mistaken, there are still a few pieces coming out with updates. pardon me.
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