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On August 17 2022 05:19 JimmiC wrote:
I think you guys ascribe way to much loyalty to these people. They went from Covid is a fraud to Russia is actually fighting Nazi's in Ukraine. They will jump to DeSantis or whoever if Trump is gone and Q will tell him plat twist he is actually the Savior and trump was a deep state plant. Then all the people who held up and voted trump then went on to support him will say, we didn't really like him anyway and the train will just keep going.
Dude, these people actually believed JFK and his son we're going to come back from the dead and not only announce Trump's 2024 Presidency but also that JFK Jr. was going to be his VP. A man just tried to break into an FBI office and died in a stand off for Trump. A mob of his supporters attempted a coup after he lost an election. Several far-right militia groups are dedicated to Trump. There has been a worrying uptick in calls for violence and threats from Trump supporters since his place was legally and peacefully searched. There is a very loud and noticeable subset of GOP voters who are loyal to him alone and they will do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to bend reality in his favor.
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On August 17 2022 05:41 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 05:32 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 05:19 JimmiC wrote:
I think you guys ascribe way to much loyalty to these people. They went from Covid is a fraud to Russia is actually fighting Nazi's in Ukraine. They will jump to DeSantis or whoever if Trump is gone and Q will tell him plat twist he is actually the Savior and trump was a deep state plant. Then all the people who held up and voted trump then went on to support him will say, we didn't really like him anyway and the train will just keep going.
They may well yes. Or they may not. The GOP does not appear ready to make that guess at this time. Also aside from part wide, there is also the risk of individuals being primaries if they don't buy into the cult. Trump backed candidates appear to be winning less, but the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party is a thing that happened and can happen again. The crazies come out to vote. That's how we got Trump to begin with. On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?" No. But they could not vote instead and then the GOP loses just as hard. I really do not understand how you could be a reasonable person who believes in facts, data and science and support the current Republican's. Like how can people think Flynn, Stone, Trump, Giuliani, Jones, Bannon and so on are people that represent their values? And then if they do how do you keep changing what you believe faster than the wind shifts. Even with this FBI raid there was like 4 stories in less then 24 hours. It boggles my mind. I'm surprised their are so few Cheney's, shows that at the end of the day most of the people in power within the Republican's (or maybe both parties) only care about winning and enriching themselves, no matter the cost. And voters hold them less than accountable because the people who say the dumbest shit end up with the most donations and visibility. They are not reasonable people who believe in any of that stuff.
These people are insane and rather then be confronted by their environment and forced to come to terms with their delusions they can now pull back into a bubble that reinforces their insanity.
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Jimmi I don't think you're valuing the obsession people have with Trump enough. And, historically, Trump has supported Putin and Russia. He even praised Putin for the war he started in Ukraine. His supporters eating up Russian propaganda is par for the course at this point. He's been spoon-feeding it to them since 2015. If getting people to drop Trump was as simple as trolling his voters with negative memes and articles about him, Trump would have never gotten elected in the first place. They do not listen to negative things said about him because attacks on him prove to them that the cabal is real and that Trump is the chosen one. If Q came out today and said Trump was an evil pedophile who was hellbent on destroying America from within, the MAGA base would just say Q has been hacked/brainwashed by the deep state and can no longer be trusted, and they'd move onto the next message board poster willing to post their wild Trump fanfics online.
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I agree Trump is not a mastermind and I do agree this movement will last after him, but I do not see his supporters turning on him in a million years and I think plenty of them will not vote GOP in 2022 or 2024 if the GOP drops Trump
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On August 17 2022 05:32 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 05:19 JimmiC wrote:
I think you guys ascribe way to much loyalty to these people. They went from Covid is a fraud to Russia is actually fighting Nazi's in Ukraine. They will jump to DeSantis or whoever if Trump is gone and Q will tell him plat twist he is actually the Savior and trump was a deep state plant. Then all the people who held up and voted trump then went on to support him will say, we didn't really like him anyway and the train will just keep going.
They may well yes. Or they may not. The GOP does not appear ready to make that guess at this time. Also aside from part wide, there is also the risk of individuals being primaries if they don't buy into the cult. Trump backed candidates appear to be winning less, but the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party is a thing that happened and can happen again. The crazies come out to vote. That's how we got Trump to begin with. Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?" No. But they could not vote instead and then the GOP loses just as hard.
To which the R response will be "Are you going to just let the Dem's win? They'll destroy the country!"
I know, because I get that fed to me every election by the "vote blue no matter who" crowd.
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On August 17 2022 06:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 05:32 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 05:19 JimmiC wrote:
I think you guys ascribe way to much loyalty to these people. They went from Covid is a fraud to Russia is actually fighting Nazi's in Ukraine. They will jump to DeSantis or whoever if Trump is gone and Q will tell him plat twist he is actually the Savior and trump was a deep state plant. Then all the people who held up and voted trump then went on to support him will say, we didn't really like him anyway and the train will just keep going.
They may well yes. Or they may not. The GOP does not appear ready to make that guess at this time. Also aside from part wide, there is also the risk of individuals being primaries if they don't buy into the cult. Trump backed candidates appear to be winning less, but the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party is a thing that happened and can happen again. The crazies come out to vote. That's how we got Trump to begin with. On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?" No. But they could not vote instead and then the GOP loses just as hard. To which the R response will be "Are you going to just let the Dem's win? They'll destroy the country!" I know, because I get that fed to me every election by the "vote blue no matter who" crowd.
Take Lindsey Graham for example - vehemently against Trump's nomination, you could tell he sees him for what he is and loathes him for it. Even said he voted for an independent in the presidential election, a Republican senator saying publicly he did not vote for the Republican nominee.
He did eventually cave and put principles aside to cozy up to Trump as Trump basically became the party, though he never for a second stopped considering him an assclown.
Jan 6 comes around and he thinks to himself Trump is done, I can finally stop pretending. He has this eloquent speech in Congress saying enough is enough, count me out. Under the circumstances he's.. jovial. A great weight lifted off his shoulders.
A few days later he's in public somewhere and crowd of people is following him like hyenas yelling at him calling him a traitor while he's escorted by security with a mix of confusion and genuine terror on his face. He can't believe he miscalculated again, a small minority of his voter base is willing to lynch him, while the overwhelming majority is completely unfazed by what he thought was a game changer.
A few weeks later not only does he vote against conviction for the 2nd impeachment, but he helps Trump with his legal team and works to convince other Rs to vote against.
Not a peep against Trump since, now he says he'll support him if he runs again.
I don't think anyone's gonna die for DeSantis the same way two guys did for Trump in the past days just because his residence got searched, I can't see his type of persona inspiring the same kind of fanaticism.
Any prominent R making himself the face of a Trump ditching effort is basically issuing a fatwa on himself.
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Liz Cheney is out. She just lost her Wyoming primary.
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Thank god for that, I honestly didn't believe the polls could be so right good riddance what a total hag warmonger. At least her and her dad can now write some co-op books at make a buncha money off anti-trump pro-warmongering story lines.
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Not a surprise. She was predicted to lose a while ago.
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Your right, she was predicted to lose, But I mean if there is anything we can all agree on this is great news. High five my lefty friends and righty friends the fine folks of WY got rid of a real monster this night.
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As much as I hate fascists like the Cheney family, I'm not exactly giddy over having another deluded Trump loyalist in the House. We've just traded one fascist whose loyal to her party for another fascist whose loyal to a corrupt criminal trying to stay out of prison. Not exactly what I'd call an upgrade.
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On August 17 2022 06:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 06:10 StasisField wrote:
Jimmi I don't think you're valuing the obsession people have with Trump enough. And, historically, Trump has supported Putin and Russia. He even praised Putin for the war he started in Ukraine. His supporters eating up Russian propaganda is par for the course at this point. He's been spoon-feeding it to them since 2015. If getting people to drop Trump was as simple as trolling his voters with negative memes and articles about him, Trump would have never gotten elected in the first place. They do not listen to negative things said about him because attacks on him prove to them that the cabal is real and that Trump is the chosen one. If Q came out today and said Trump was an evil pedophile who was hellbent on destroying America from within, the MAGA base would just say Q has been hacked/brainwashed by the deep state and can no longer be trusted, and they'd move onto the next message board poster willing to post their wild Trump fanfics online. Im not saying its simple for us, Im saying it is for the people currently pulling the strings and Trump is not that person. He is just a narassict playing along because it feeds his ego and wallet. He is basically the opposite of a mastermind. Trump will be gone soon enough, this populist movement will last.
Nobody is pulling the strings, ergo nobody can rein it in. That’s the rather scary part moving forwards.
Ironically enough the reason this phenomenon of mass idiocy can’t be just stuck back in Pandora’s box is the exact same flaw in their entire worldview. Namely that the world is more complex than some shifty cabal running things from the shadows
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On August 17 2022 13:29 Taelshin wrote:
Your right, she was predicted to lose, But I mean if there is anything we can all agree on this is great news. High five my lefty friends and righty friends the fine folks of WY got rid of a real monster this night.
What are we high-fiving, who replaced her?
I don't really know a huge amount about Liz Cheney, other than she seems vaguely sane in her pronouncements which sets her apart from much of the GOP. Not really her fault for other things, sins of the father and all that.
Perhaps she is a neocon hawk on the levels of her father, but tbh I'd still see that as preferable than these populist lunatics we've got these days.
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@wombat "Perhaps she is a neocon hawk on the levels of her father, but tbh I'd still see that as preferable than these populist lunatics we've got these days"
Ya i wouldn't, Stern disagree. The collective world dodged a bullet on this one and you should be happy not worried my friend.
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On August 17 2022 14:46 Taelshin wrote:
@wombat "Perhaps she is a neocon hawk on the levels of her father, but tbh I'd still see that as preferable than these populist lunatics we've got these days"
Ya i wouldn't, Stern disagree. The collective world dodged a bullet on this one and you should be happy not worried my friend.
Who replaced her? Some Trump/Q lunatic or someone semi reasonable? If the latter, sure no biggy.
I’m not a conservative, I largely hate conservative ideology. I’ll still take someone bound by actual ideological scruples, of some kind, than these populist lunatics we’re seeing more and more of though.
Not going to eulogise Cheney as some on the wider left are doing for some reason, but it’s quite telling that someone who gave entirely merited criticism of Trump from the GOP side of things got turfed out.
Conservative America being in thrall to someone as patently undeserving of such devotion as Trump is is hardly something to celebrate.
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Yeah at least Trump supporters tend to be ridiculously incompetent due to the lack of brain you need to support a person who is already a failed dictator.
If you're going to be evil, its best that you are an incompetent moron with it.
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